***Official Lapps match thread - PNE v Canaries***

[Branston Pickle 4,169]

1 hour ago, Channon’s Windmill said:

Oh no, missed that. Paddy rated Long a 4, think that’s being very generous.

Paddy didn’t rate him anything - it was Seaman, whose ratings are always a complete lottery, who has those bits on the main site.  I think he has a couple of dice that he uses.

Edited October 22, 2024 by Branston Pickle

[paddycanary 583]

1 hour ago, Pyro Pete said:

Hughton would have shut up shop at 2-0 down.

Take the loss and move on

And say that we didn't show enough quality in the final furd

[Branston Pickle 4,169]

32 minutes ago, Nuff Said said:

This! Posters saying we should have played a youngster instead of Long need to think about the likely result. If the coaching team think Long is a better bet, then any young keeper would be more likely to make mistakes than him, have their confidence badly dented and not get picked again for a long time. I can’t see how that encourages their development.

We have to trust their judgement - we’ve specialist coaches who clearly think Long is ok and the best bet.  I seem to have been labelled an apologist for him - it seems mainly because I don’t slate him, but I just don’t tend to do that to players. I don’t think he’s great, but nor as bad as most; my main point has always been that I’ve seen Gunn play badly and cost multiple goals in games with barely a mention, and it feels extremely unfair on Long to criticise any and every match he plays.  But I guess it’s also the way of things.

Edited October 22, 2024 by Branston Pickle

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20 minutes ago, Branston Pickle said:

I think he has a couple of dice that he uses.

Steady on, I don't think the Archant budget stretches that far.  He throws the same one twice. 😉

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Not a particularly good watch but I will take a point from a Preston side who were on a decent run of form
Not overly impressed with Forsyth,Macondes or Crnac Sargent first touch when the ball is played to him is not always good.

[Creedence Clearwater Couto 1,704]

7 hours ago, Branston Pickle said:

Paddy didn’t rate him anything - it was Seaman, whose ratings are always a complete lottery, who has those bits on the main site.  I think he has a couple of dice that he uses.

Just admit your defence of Longs ability is bonkers. 

Seaman is decent, and has always comes across knowledgeable on Pink Un podcasts. Disparaging comments, and wide of the mark. 

Edited October 23, 2024 by Creedence Clearwater Couto

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Just now, Creedence Clearwater Couto said:

 

Edited October 23, 2024 by Creedence Clearwater Couto

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For what it's worth, I think it's crazy that local journalists are scoring the players out of 10. Leave it to the nationals who don't need to foster a working relationship with the club and players. 

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26 minutes ago, Creedence Clearwater Couto said:

Just admit your defence of Longs ability is bonkers. 

Seaman is decent, and has always comes across knowledgeable on Pink Un podcasts. Disparaging comments, and wide of the mark. 

Cordoba only got a 5!

[Jim Smith 2,654]

7 hours ago, Branston Pickle said:

We have to trust their judgement - we’ve specialist coaches who clearly think Long is ok and the best bet.  I seem to have been labelled an apologist for him - it seems mainly because I don’t slate him, but I just don’t tend to do that to players. I don’t think he’s great, but nor as bad as most; my main point has always been that I’ve seen Gunn play badly and cost multiple goals in games with barely a mention, and it feels extremely unfair on Long to criticise any and every match he plays.  But I guess it’s also the way of things.

I don’t agree. He’s conceded 10 goals from 17 shots on target this season. Goals regularly hit the “middle” of our net when he plays. I think it’s a big problem. It undermines everything when the opposition score with one in two shots. Genuinely don’t think Mair or that other U21 keeper would be worse. Think there is a good chance they’d do better. 

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56 minutes ago, Conrad said:

Cordoba only got a 5!

Cordoba wasn’t great first half. 

The issue with rating players out of 10, is generally people assume 6/7 is average. It’s not, really is it. 5/10 is ‘average’ which I think is accurate over the 90 mins for Cordoba.

[Branston Pickle 4,169]

1 hour ago, Conrad said:

Cordoba only got a 5!

 

2 hours ago, Creedence Clearwater Couto said:

Just admit your defence of Longs ability is bonkers. 

Seaman is decent, and has always comes across knowledgeable on Pink Un podcasts. Disparaging comments, and wide of the mark. 

Get your head out of your backside and you might realise there’s more than one player on the pitch, you tool.  I don’t rate Long particularly highly (nor Gunn tbh), but will support him as that’s what we are meant to do; meanwhile your dislike of him is weird.

Edit: Paddy usually gives his match ratings and they are much more considered and nearer the mark, rather than kneejerk rubbish.  His articles are always tonnes better and worth a read. Seaman has a lot to learn.

Edited October 23, 2024 by Branston Pickle

[Jim Smith 2,654]

The other thing we have to sort out is Doyle’s positioning if he’s going to keep playing left back. I think it’s a deliberate thing (some sort of inverted full back role) rather than him ignoring instructions but he is leaving so much space down the opposition right hand side and he doesn’t have the pace to recover. It’s great when we have possession as it gets him involved more but defensively it’s a problem. 

Edited October 23, 2024 by Jim Smith

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39 minutes ago, Branston Pickle said:

 

Get your head out of your backside and you might realise there’s more than one player on the pitch, you tool.  I don’t rate Long particularly highly (nor Gunn tbh), but will support him as that’s what we are meant to do; meanwhile your dislike of him is weird.

Edit: Paddy usually gives his match ratings and they are much more considered and nearer the mark, rather than kneejerk rubbish.  His articles are always tonnes better and worth a read. Seaman has a lot to learn.

Resorting to insults, class 👌

[Trevor Hockey's Beard 613]

We could adapt the wine scoring system of the American Robert Parker, where he scores up to 100. but starts at 50, which raises questions about the standard of teaching in the USA (although anyone voting for Trump does that more). 

Using this system Long scores 70 out of 100, which sounds much better. Cordoba would be 75.

[Branston Pickle 4,169]

14 minutes ago, Creedence Clearwater Couto said:

Resorting to insults, class 👌

Oh, do get a life.  Bonkers isn’t meant as an insult?  Maybe look at your own posts before trying to claim the moral high ground 👌

Edited October 23, 2024 by Branston Pickle

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44 minutes ago, Jim Smith said:

The other thing we have to sort out is Doyle’s positioning if he’s going to keep playing left back. I think it’s a deliberate thing (some sort of inverted full bank role) rather than him ignoring instructions but he is leaning so much space down the opposition right hand side and he doesn’t have the pace to recover. It’s great when we have possession as it gets him involved more but defensively it’s a problem. 

Spot on. He was nowhere for their 2nd goal (well no man's land actually) and equally woeful at Stoke for a different reason.

Even if Doyle were a CB you would be concerned by his lack of pace but playing him at LB is a 100 times worse.

 

 

[Robert N. LiM 6,442]

11 hours ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

Ghouls? You in the Halloween spirit early?

Your Norfolk accent software needs an update, clearly.

Also, for the record, Hallowe'en is shıt.

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25 minutes ago, Branston Pickle said:

Oh, do get a life.  Bonkers isn’t meant as an insult?  Maybe look at your own posts before trying to claim the moral high ground 👌

Look at the majority consensus on here RE Long. Are that many wrong?   

[Branston Pickle 4,169]

Just now, Creedence Clearwater Couto said:

Look at the majority consensus on here RE Long. Are that many wrong?   

You’re under the strange misapprehension that I think he’s really good.  I don’t particularly, but nor is he as crap as is being made out. For balance, I don’t think Gunn is as good as is made out, either.

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8 minutes ago, Branston Pickle said:

You’re under the strange misapprehension that I think he’s really good.  I don’t particularly, but nor is he as crap as is being made out. For balance, I don’t think Gunn is as good as is made out, either.

No, I just see a person criticising fellow fans for questioning Long’s ability, when the body of evidence suggests it’s valid. Weird.

*Edit - And a professional journalist. 

Edited October 23, 2024 by Creedence Clearwater Couto

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Long looks like exactly what he is - a below average championship keeper who doesn't play much and as a result is rusty when he does.

The goal at Stoke wasn't a howler, but he'll be disappointed to be beaten from range and there's no way a Premiership keeper or a good Champs keeper concedes that, imho. The goals last night, again not howlers but he'll be disappointed no doubt.

If you gave him a long run of games, pardon the pun, I actually think he'd be ok for this level. But as always some of our fans need a goat and expect to see the second coming of Lev Yashin.

[Branston Pickle 4,169]

1 minute ago, Creedence Clearwater Couto said:

No, I just see a person criticising fellow fans for questioning Long’s ability, when the body of evidence suggests it’s valid. Weird.

Oh, well I see someone defending a player from ridiculous levels of criticism. 

I find it weird that I’m called out mid-game because Long made a mistake.  If that isn’t weird then nothing is. 

[Creedence Clearwater Couto 1,704]

3 minutes ago, Segura said:

Long looks like exactly what he is - a below average championship keeper who doesn't play much and as a result is rusty when he does.

The goal at Stoke wasn't a howler, but he'll be disappointed to be beaten from range and there's no way a Premiership keeper or a good Champs keeper concedes that, imho. The goals last night, again not howlers but he'll be disappointed no doubt.

If you gave him a long run of games, pardon the pun, I actually think he'd be ok for this level. But as always some of our fans need a goat and expect to see the second coming of Lev Yashin.

He had that at Millwall. They dropped, and then released him.

Edited October 23, 2024 by Creedence Clearwater Couto

[Branston Pickle 4,169]

3 minutes ago, Segura said:

Long looks like exactly what he is - a below average championship keeper who doesn't play much and as a result is rusty when he does.

The goal at Stoke wasn't a howler, but he'll be disappointed to be beaten from range and there's no way a Premiership keeper or a good Champs keeper concedes that, imho. The goals last night, again not howlers but he'll be disappointed no doubt.

If you gave him a long run of games, pardon the pun, I actually think he'd be ok for this level. But as always some of our fans need a goat and expect to see the second coming of Lev Yashin.

I think you’re probably right there. 

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Just now, Branston Pickle said:

Oh, well I see someone defending a player from ridiculous levels of criticism. 

I find it weird that I’m called out mid-game because Long made a mistake.  If that isn’t weird then nothing is. 

That’s because your defence of him is, well, bonkers. When he can’t do the basic GK requirement of shot stopping very well, which leads to soft goals, he’s rightly criticised. Fans are frustrated.. then you try and criticise them. It’s antagonistic. 

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1 minute ago, Creedence Clearwater Couto said:

He had that at Millwall. They dropped, and then released him.

Oh yes I don't dispute that - looking at his career he has played predominantly at League One level which is probably quite telling.

Personally I think some of the stick he's getting is over the top - we missed chances at Stoke which could have won us the game, last night, from what I can tell, a draw was probably a fair result.

[Branston Pickle 4,169]

18 minutes ago, Creedence Clearwater Couto said:

That’s because your defence of him is, well, bonkers. When he can’t do the basic GK requirement of shot stopping very well, which leads to soft goals, he’s rightly criticised. Fans are frustrated.. then you try and criticise them. It’s antagonistic. 

Wow - and there was me thinking this was a discussion board!!

I’m not sure where you think I’ve been criticising fans - I’m happy that everyone is entitled to an opinion, but that does also include my own, which thankfully differs from yours.

Nonetheless, I’ve been posting here well over 20 years - it is rather tedious if no one has an alternative view, isn’t it?  Some get it, you obviously don’t. 

Edited October 23, 2024 by Branston Pickle

[Midlands Yellow 4,714]

Nice to have Sam back for one match, PNE match report. 
 

It was an incredible start by the hosts and the in-form Canaries were no doubt shellshocked, although they soon got a foothold. Sainz gave the Lilywhites a warning sign in the 43rd minute as he bent an effort just over the crossbar, however he found his ninth goal of the campaign with the last kick of the half, as he got a touch on Sam Byram’s cross to sneak it in at the near post.

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19 minutes ago, Segura said:

Oh yes I don't dispute that - looking at his career he has played predominantly at League One level which is probably quite telling.

Personally I think some of the stick he's getting is over the top - we missed chances at Stoke which could have won us the game, last night, from what I can tell, a draw was probably a fair result.

In terms of fairness, you're probably not wrong. But I think with a different goalkeeper we could have "unfairly" won the game!

Ultimately though, Preston created much better quality chances than we did despite them only seeing 30% of the ball. Which is a much bigger problem.