Long

[Ulfotto 834]

7 minutes ago, king canary said:

So this argument bugs me.

I'm critical of Long, not because I think he should be as good as Gunn but because the drop off from first to second choice is extremely steep in my view.

Without meaning to get bogged down in stats again, I looked them up from last year in a previous thread and Long ranked something like 53rd out of 57 goalkeepers who'd started a game in the Championship that season for goals conceded vs their xG. That stat obviously isn't the be all and end all but I think its pretty key. So by losing our first choice we're going from having someone in the top 10 for his shot stopping to someone in the bottom 5 which includes a number of other teams back ups.

Yes I’m not defending Long overly as I think we are about to start appreciating Angus a whole lot more.

The only other Southwell mentioned is again I suppose is a defence is that it’s hard to come in cold as a goalkeeper. I remember Tim Krul looked miles off it when he first arrived but after a difficult start started to look more and more settled. Long and reserve goalkeepers in general do not get that luxury.

[Capt. Pants 5,152]

Looking on the bright side, if Gunn leaves in the summer we're unlikely to be able to afford better and the gap between 1st choice and Long won't be as great 👍.

Long's contract suggests to me that Gunn is unlikely to be here next season and he will be our no.1 keeper. Unless of course one of our young keepers suddenly comes from nowhere to change Thorup's mind.

[rock bus 1,108]

17 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said:

Looking on the bright side, if Gunn leaves in the summer we're unlikely to be able to afford better and the gap between 1st choice and Long won't be as great 👍.

Long's contract suggests to me that Gunn is unlikely to be here next season and he will be our no.1 keeper. Unless of course one of our young keepers suddenly comes from nowhere to change Thorup's mind.

I would be amazed and very worried if Long is our number one next year. I'd say he is just about good enough as a back up (if we have a reliable and not injury prone number one) but nowhere near the standard we need as no 1.

(Mind you - surely we will be spending some of our premier league riches on a goalkeeper better than Gunn next year when we're promoted 😉 )

[Dean Coneys boots 1,550]

He’s not a very good back up on the field - obviously a good chap off it hence the new contract. But he’s a million miles off being good enough to be a regular starter in this division. His stats are awful and he does cost us points- 2 v stoke imho

[Petriix 3,250]

Oh dear! 

[Jersey Canary 180]

2 minutes ago, Petriix said:

Oh dear! 

Exactly. 

[king canary 8,950]

5 minutes ago, Petriix said:

Oh dear! 

But he's unfairly scapegoated and definitely not ****ing dreadful

[Petriix 3,250]

OMG, he genuinely is useless. Straight through him. 

[Jersey Canary 180]

Another goal saveable. 🤨

[daz 163]

Stick Hanley in goal ffs csnt do any worse!! 

[Satriales 1,052]

WTF!?

[king canary 8,950]

Honestly if anyone tries to defend him after this performance I'll start to believe they are either blind or a member of his immediate family. 

A better keeper and this game is 0-0. Not even debatable.

[Mengo 856]

1 minute ago, Satriales said:

WTF!?

Exactly this : WTF 

[Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 4,738]

OK, I've given him time and chances, but tonight he has well and truly proved that he is not up to it at this level of football. 

Good job we'd never consider extending his contract, eh?

[daz 163]

And to make it worse Preston not conceded at home for a while 🙄

[norwich canary 171]

He isn’t even trying that is the worst of it 

I won’t get back until 3am watching this turd 

[Canary Wundaboy 1,424]

I never felt this nervous with Barden in goal when Gunn/McGovern were injured. Long’s just not up to it.

[Peregrine Shorts 556]

Would have probably been better if he had been sent off for conceding the penalty

[Satriales 1,052]

We're gonna win on the possession stat at least! 😛

[Creedence Clearwater Couto 1,704]

8 minutes ago, king canary said:

Honestly if anyone tries to defend him after this performance I'll start to believe they are either blind or a member of his immediate family. 

A better keeper and this game is 0-0. Not even debatable.

The fact that people did defend him up to this point baffles me. He can’t shot stop. Just hammer the ball at him at any opportunity is the message to any opposition forward.

[Creedence Clearwater Couto 1,704]

He’s got the Yips..

[Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 4,738]

8 minutes ago, Creedence Clearwater Couto said:

The fact that people did defend him up to this point baffles me. He can’t shot stop. Just hammer the ball at him at any opportunity is the message to any opposition forward.

Which is quite unusual, really.

It's not exactly uncommon to see a goalkeeper who is s good shot-stopper but has other flaws, often the tendency to drop clangers. 

But it's very rare to see a goalkeeper who is so poor at what should be routine saves. 

[Midlands Yellow 4,714]

Daniel Lambert in goal would have done better tonight so fat.

[Peregrine Shorts 556]

Simon Tracey was better than Long!

[Ken Hairy 4,339]

41 minutes ago, daz said:

And to make it worse Preston not conceded at home for a while 🙄

Yes they have😁

[Ken Hairy 4,339]

Just now, Peregrine Shorts said:

Simon Tracey was better than Long!

I'm starting to think if we'd given him more than one game Theoklitus would have proven better than Long 

[kick it off 2,062]

1 minute ago, Ken Hairy said:

I'm starting to think if we'd given him more than one game Theoklitus would have proven better than Long 

I think that even just off the basis of Theo's solitary appearance, it's at least questionable which is better.

[Google Bot 3,995]

Regarding the xG formula, Do you just multiply it by 2x if Long is in goal?

[Jersey Canary 180]

Long cost us 2pts this evening. Thankfully it didn’t affect the team spirit. 

[Petriix 3,250]

One wonders if, with a decent No 1, we would have won at least one of this game and the last one.