Super Sainz

[cambridgeshire canary 7,798]

Who needs Rowe?🤔

[Ken Hairy 4,272]

Sainz Meanz Goalz

[The Raptor 1,573]

This time next year it will be super someone else. Who needs sainz!? As long as we keep finding decent replacements I'm not complaining!

 

 

Edited September 28 by The Raptor

[Mike 68]

The only supporters that start talking about selling our best players the minute they start performing... weird! keeping him would be my hope

[Petriix 3,219]

This is what I'm watching tonight:

[Nexus_Canary 1,206]

19 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

Who needs Rowe?🤔

I said at the end of last season Sainz was the key figure for us in 24/25 rather than Judas Rowe or Sara.

[Midlands Yellow 4,682]

We have a weapon. 

[king canary 8,756]

1 hour ago, Midlands Yellow said:

We have a weapon. 

Exactly. Sainz is absolutely a weapon at this level.

[SwearyCanary 1,340]

2 hours ago, Ken Hairy said:

Sainz Meanz Goalz

I feel this works better as ‘Goalz Meanz Sainz’?

pedantically yours  

[Ken Hairy 4,272]

44 minutes ago, SwearyCanary said:

I feel this works better as ‘Goalz Meanz Sainz’?

pedantically yours  

I'll allow it 👍

[C.I.D 358]

46 minutes ago, SwearyCanary said:

I feel this works better as ‘Goalz Meanz Sainz’?

pedantically yours  

Probably .............old bean 😀

[Monty13 2,736]

4 hours ago, The Raptor said:

This time next year it will be super someone else. Who needs sainz!? As long as we keep finding decent replacements I'm not complaining!

 

 

That’s the model. If we don’t get promoted he will almost certainly be gone along with any other talents that look ready for the next level. Doesn’t stop enjoying him while he’s here.

Edited September 28 by Monty13

[Carrow89 184]

10 minutes ago, Monty13 said:

That’s the model. If we don’t get promoted he will almost certainly be gone along with any other talents that look ready for the next level. Doesn’t stop enjoying him while he’s here.

That's the model for all but a handful of the 92 clubs. When a better offer comes along, the player takes it.

Little we, or other clubs, can do about,  despite the silly bleats about us 'selling' players. I suspect Sainz will head back to Spain, or the Basque region to be precise - though promotion to the PL may well tempt him to stay.

Not an unlikely possibility after the past two game - us getting promoted, that is.

[Danke bitte 1,154]

4 hours ago, Nexus_Canary said:

I said at the end of last season Sainz was the key figure for us in 24/25 rather than Judas Rowe or Sara.

“Judas Rowe” 😁. It’s not like he wanted away to Ipswich. 

[Capt. Pants 5,008]

4 hours ago, Mike said:

The only supporters that start talking about selling our best players the minute they start performing... weird! keeping him would be my hope

Our fans seem to love having the money in the bank. There's no need to sell anyone now; Sara, Rowe and Idah were more than enough for one season if not two.

As I said before we need players to create chaos, especially at Championship level and Sainz does that. If anything he needs to be more consistent, but he's still streets ahead of Crnac and Hernandez.

Unless we have a stupid offer he's here to stay.

[Monty13 2,736]

31 minutes ago, Carrow89 said:

That's the model for all but a handful of the 92 clubs. When a better offer comes along, the player takes it.

Little we, or other clubs, can do about,  despite the silly bleats about us 'selling' players. I suspect Sainz will head back to Spain, or the Basque region to be precise - though promotion to the PL may well tempt him to stay.

Not an unlikely possibility after the past two game - us getting promoted, that is.

Indeed. Although I disagree on this. We’ve seen what selling your best player on promotion does.

I would be very disappointed if we sold a star player on promotion again unless it was for a fee (and to someone) we literally can’t say no to.

Edited September 28 by Monty13

[Danke bitte 1,154]

4 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said:

Our fans seem to love having the money in the bank. There's no need to sell anyone now; Sara, Rowe and Idah were more than enough for one season if not two.

As I said before we need players to create chaos, especially at Championship level and Sainz does that. If anything he needs to be more consistent, but he's still streets ahead of Crnac and Hernandez.

Unless we have a stupid offer he's here to stay.

Agreed. Additionally why would we need to sell anyone in January? It’s not like we don’t have access to funds. The topic has been done to death but with Uncle Mark onboard we have can play hardball with outbound and afford inbound without going silly. Proof is in how much we sold the trio for you mention above. 

[Carrow89 184]

2 minutes ago, Monty13 said:

Indeed. Although I disagree on this. We’ve seen what selling your best player on promotion does.

I would be very disappointed if we sold a star player on promotion again unless it was for a fee (and to someone) we literally can’t say no to.

What part do you disagree on ?

As it is NOT us selling, it is the player wanting to 'improve his lot'.by moving to another club.

Are you disagreeing with a player moving ?

[Christoph Stiepermann 1,261]

I think he's in that nice level of being good enough to be a key player for a top Championship side but maybe not quite good enough for a PL club to spend a lot of money on him so I don't see him quickly out-growing us in the same way Sara/Buendia etc did. He's 24 soon too so it's not like he has loads of development left either. If he improves his consistency he could play for a lower PL club but he wouldn't be a stand-out so I can't see anyone offering more than he's worth to us. La Liga interest might come though and I could see him being tempted but I'd imagine a lot of clubs in that sort of mid to upper part of La Liga might struggle to afford what we'd be asking. 

Same could be said for Nunez and Sargent as well who are also at that sort of top end Championship maybe PL if they develop more level so there's a realistic hope we can hang on to them for a while. My main worry is if a Leeds/Burnley or whoever comes down this year wants top quality proven Championship players because they could make tempting offers for the club and players.  

[Monty13 2,736]

24 minutes ago, Carrow89 said:

What part do you disagree on ?

As it is NOT us selling, it is the player wanting to 'improve his lot'.by moving to another club.

Are you disagreeing with a player moving ?

The bit I bolded. If we are promoted power swings to the club unless a massive club/offer comes in. We don’t have to “tempt him to stay” in that scenario.

[Nexus_Canary 1,206]

52 minutes ago, Danke bitte said:

“Judas Rowe” 😁. It’s not like he wanted away to Ipswich. 

True but he let everyone down.

Including himself. He's hardly going to be welcomed in the city.

[Danke bitte 1,154]

2 minutes ago, Nexus_Canary said:

True but he let everyone down.

Including himself. He's hardly going to be welcomed in the city.

I see your point but we made ££ off him, and made sure we didn’t lose our streak against Ipswich. I’m more than happy to buy him a beer if he ever turned up at the Queen of Iceni. 
 

17 minutes ago, Christoph Stiepermann said:

 

I think he's in that nice level of being good enough to be a key player for a top Championship side but maybe not quite good enough for a PL club to spend a lot of money on him so I don't see him quickly out-growing us in the same way Sara/Buendia etc did.

 

He’s a lower level Prem player for sure. And our asking would be £14 mill which isn’t that much these days. Still think he could grow though especially under a coach that could get the best out of him. A Wolves style signing. 

[Nexus_Canary 1,206]

16 minutes ago, Danke bitte said:

I see your point but we made ££ off him, and made sure we didn’t lose our streak against Ipswich. I’m more than happy to buy him a beer if he ever turned up at the Queen of Iceni. 

I question the cut of a mans gib if he actively joins a club that employs a wife beater. 
Like I certainly would not want to work with someone like that. 
So he had made his bed but he could have as easily fired his agent, apologised to the club who could have issued a statement, then he could be playing with us for another season under the agreement we facilitate a move Summer 25. 
But no, massive ego got in the way.
I seriously questioned how much i liked him after that commentary with Onel where Sarge became top scorer, he wasn't joking and was genuinely angry. Yup there is room for competition, but it wasn't "ah i best score some more" it was "****ing sarge taking my spot" which is toxic rather than healthy. 
In short, bad apple - i would sooner throw a pint down him than buy him one. Although the performance against the scum would get him the "Fair play, best you leave right now before things turn pal" line rather than the pint down the pants straight away 🙂

Edited September 28 by Nexus_Canary

[canarybubbles 2,199]

9 hours ago, Nexus_Canary said:

I question the cut of a mans gib if he actively joins a club that employs a wife beater. 
Like I certainly would not want to work with someone like that. 
So he had made his bed but he could have as easily fired his agent, apologised to the club who could have issued a statement, then he could be playing with us for another season under the agreement we facilitate a move Summer 25. 
But no, massive ego got in the way.
I seriously questioned how much i liked him after that commentary with Onel where Sarge became top scorer, he wasn't joking and was genuinely angry. Yup there is room for competition, but it wasn't "ah i best score some more" it was "****ing sarge taking my spot" which is toxic rather than healthy. 
In short, bad apple - i would sooner throw a pint down him than buy him one. Although the performance against the scum would get him the "Fair play, best you leave right now before things turn pal" line rather than the pint down the pants straight away 🙂

And personally I will never believe that he suddenly realised 30 minutes before the game that his head wasn't in the right place. It reads to me as deliberately calculated to maximise disruption in order to get what he wanted. He's a selfish rat who stuck the knife in the back of his colleagues, and I think the Onel chat which you cite is further proof of this.

Last season we got more points per game when he was injured than when he was playing. This season our improvement began once he was out of the way. He's talented, but you have to be phenomenally talented to be selfish in a team game like football. He's poison and good riddance. We'll do much better without his selfishness.

[Ken Hairy 4,272]

11 hours ago, Capt. Pants said:

Our fans seem to love having the money in the bank. There's no need to sell anyone now; Sara, Rowe and Idah were more than enough for one season if not two.

As I said before we need players to create chaos, especially at Championship level and Sainz does that. If anything he needs to be more consistent, but he's still streets ahead of Crnac and Hernandez.

Unless we have a stupid offer he's here to stay.

They're just being realistic, I think it's 100% certain that unless we're in the Premier then he won't be here next season,  it's not about loving money in the bank, it's the realisation of modern football 

[Worthy Nigelton 1,301]

10 hours ago, Nexus_Canary said:

I question the cut of a mans gib if he actively joins a club that employs a wife beater. 
Like I certainly would not want to work with someone like that. 
So he had made his bed but he could have as easily fired his agent, apologised to the club who could have issued a statement, then he could be playing with us for another season under the agreement we facilitate a move Summer 25. 
But no, massive ego got in the way.
I seriously questioned how much i liked him after that commentary with Onel where Sarge became top scorer, he wasn't joking and was genuinely angry. Yup there is room for competition, but it wasn't "ah i best score some more" it was "****ing sarge taking my spot" which is toxic rather than healthy. 
In short, bad apple - i would sooner throw a pint down him than buy him one. Although the performance against the scum would get him the "Fair play, best you leave right now before things turn pal" line rather than the pint down the pants straight away 🙂

Being selfish isn't necessarily a bad thing in attacking players - look at CR7. It was/is all about him and how many goals he scores.

I think most forwards are the same, I can't remember who it was but an ex-PL striker on a podcast recently was saying when you're on the bench you want the team to win but the forward who's in ahead of you not to score. It's natural.

My issue with Rowe is the way he handled it. Throwing your toys out of the pram 30 mins before the opening game is about as sh*thouse a move as you can get. That was unacceptable.

In any case, we don't appear to be missing him.

[Capt. Pants 5,008]

27 minutes ago, Ken Hairy said:

They're just being realistic, I think it's 100% certain that unless we're in the Premier then he won't be here next season,  it's not about loving money in the bank, it's the realisation of modern football 

I wouldn't say it's 100% certain and will be heavily influenced by our financial state and the offer we receive.

There might be others that attract attention too, especially if Sargent, Fisher and Cordoba continue improving.

If it does happen life will go on and they join the ever growing list of players that once played for us.

Enjoy them for now is what I say and stop worrying about the money.

[East Rider 589]

My hope for this season during the summer was that we do not sell Sainz, Sargent or Stacey.

Sainz; I thought last season that he was more important than most in our set up to create goals.

Sargent; lose him and I suspected we would be right royally stuffed regarding a push for the play offs or better.

Stacey: I felt he was an excellent option down the right. However, along came KF on that one.

 

 

[Ken Hairy 4,272]

21 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said:

I wouldn't say it's 100% certain and will be heavily influenced by our financial state and the offer we receive

Enjoy them for now is what I say and stop worrying about the money.

You're the only one banging on about the money 🤣

[dylanisabaddog 6,141]

Sainz is clearly a very gifted player but he does seem to have his problems. He's like Robert Fleck without the sense of humour.