The former "O"SP agenda.........from last weeks meeting

[Greavsy 2,645]

17 minutes ago, NewNestCarrow said:

If you knew the meeting had already taken place then why did you state "Agenda for next sp meeting ..."? [my emphasis]  

And why did you not point Robert Lim in the right direction when his post made it clear that he thought he could raise a question for a meeting that had already been & gone?

 

Simple answer, I didn't realise the tweet was 5 days old and it stated next meeting. 

Simple mistake, but not the worse one I've made.

Wish I'd not bothered now.

[Helsinki canary 301]

29 minutes ago, wcorkcanary said:

You might have to explain the meaning of that word to a certain  someone.  

Sensitive topics such as Scampi portion  size reduction are naturally items which must remain out of the public domain to limit risks of serious unrest

[Greavsy 2,645]

11 minutes ago, Robert N. LiM said:

Obviously @Greavsy can answer this for him(?)self, but since I was mentioned, I understood his reference to good faith as meaning that he thought it was an upcoming meeting when he shared it on here. As did I when I clicked the link. 

Apologies, therefore, to @GMF if I wasted your time with my DM.

Correct.

Mr Greavsy! 😉 

[Greavsy 2,645]

25 minutes ago, wcorkcanary said:

Now look what a fine mess you've got yourself into G.

Won't be looking to help again. 

(O)SP volunteers have my sympathy and respect in equal measure.

[Duncan Edwards 2,424]

3 hours ago, TIL 1010 said:

Is this available to view anywhere other than Twatter as I cannot find it or is the club assuming all fans have an account ?

You had a Twitter account. What happened to that?

[Robert N. LiM 6,251]

11 hours ago, Greavsy said:

Mr Greavsy! 😉 

I was pretty confident, but you never want to assume 😉 

[TIL 1010 5,246]

10 hours ago, Duncan Edwards said:

You had a Twitter account. What happened to that?

You had better ask the person who set up the fake account in my name.

[Robert N. LiM 6,251]

18 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

You had better ask the person who set up the fake account in my name.

He was busted because none of the fake tweets were in italics

[TIL 1010 5,246]

@Greavsy i appreciate as do others that you posted the link for the agenda from Twatter in good faith but my point is i cannot find it anywhere on the Club website or Book of Faces which somewhat restricts the number of fans who can see it as it appears the Club thinks everybody has a Twatter account.

As you mentioned comms could do with improving.

 

Edited September 25 by TIL 1010

[GMF 1,010]

@TIL 1010 For your information, the posts didn’t appear on any of the Club’s main channels; website, X, Insta, or Facebook, but on the Norwich City FC Supporters Relations X account.

The first two posts were last week, the day of the meeting, (I didn’t see them myself until after the meeting) with a further two posts earlier this week.

[TIL 1010 5,246]

6 minutes ago, GMF said:

@TIL 1010 For your information, the posts didn’t appear on any of the Club’s main channels; website, X, Insta, or Facebook, but on the Norwich City FC Supporters Relations X account.

The first two posts were last week, the day of the meeting, (I didn’t see them myself until after the meeting) with a further two posts earlier this week.

Gary my point is you have to have a Twatter ( X) account to have seen the link. Why was it not published on all socials ?

[GMF 1,010]

31 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

Gary my point is you have to have a Twatter ( X) account to have seen the link. Why was it not published on all socials ?

I got your point, but I don’t have any input on the Club’s media accounts, John, and wouldn’t be presumptuous to speak on their behalf. Maybe it wasn’t considered newsworthy enough for the main feeds?

From what I understand the Supporters Relations account is just on X. Putting it on there is better than nothing, I suppose, although obviously won’t satisfy all.

Edited September 25 by GMF

[ncfcstar 342]

47 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

Gary my point is you have to have a Twatter ( X) account to have seen the link. Why was it not published on all socials ?

One of the reasons is probably because in the past, when I was on the OSP, it was shared on all socials and a handful of the members faced abuse from our 'fans'.

[Greavsy 2,645]

20 minutes ago, ncfcstar said:

One of the reasons is probably because in the past, when I was on the OSP, it was shared on all socials and a handful of the members faced abuse from our 'fans'.

People are so quick to judge / comment negatively. 

X is awful for that since change in ownership too. 

Even when posting a link here, for which I have no input has prompted negative comments about the meeting being in the past etc. And when you do dignify them with a reply / explanation they don't have the decency to acknowledge. 

 

[GMF 1,010]

1 hour ago, ncfcstar said:

One of the reasons is probably because in the past, when I was on the OSP, it was shared on all socials and a handful of the members faced abuse from our 'fans'.

There’s two separate issues here. Firstly, abuse of panel members, which is clearly unacceptable, and, secondly, the wider communication issues from the Club. Getting the balance right between the two is crucial, and the former issue shouldn’t be an excuse for not improving the latter. 

[essex canary 621]

2 hours ago, GMF said:

There’s two separate issues here. Firstly, abuse of panel members, which is clearly unacceptable, and, secondly, the wider communication issues from the Club. Getting the balance right between the two is crucial, and the former issue shouldn’t be an excuse for not improving the latter. 

Canaries Trust treasurer. "Football needs to be fully inclusive and enhanced through better fan engagement for all supporters. Fans are the most important stakeholders in the game, and supporters’ rights, fair ticket pricing and good club governance are all essential to help ensure clubs are run on a sustainable basis and for the benefit of the next generation of fans."

An excellent quote which perfectly expresses what the objective should be.

The 16 September meeting again seems to have been conducted with no formal mechanism for supporters to feed in, though in fairness you may have been pursuing that issue through item 4 in which case we look forward to the minutes. Best practice would also be to publish the Agenda on the Club website 1 week in advance with more flesh on the bone than shown here in order to facilitate further supporter input to same or to AOB.

The primary duty here lies with Club Directors rather than the volunteers. Nobody should face abuse of any kind. Nevertheless when the process is headed up by somebody earning around 3 times the Prime Minister's salary we should expect far far better within 3 years.

The same applies to a Non-Executive Director in terms of a meeting last week whom I have challenged in terms of inclusiveness, supporters rights and fair pricing issues. He should be very prompt in at least developing a holding position but hasn't been. Such issues go to the heart of good club governance.       

 

[Mr_Biff1961 13]

1 hour ago, essex canary said:

The 16 September meeting again seems to have been conducted with no formal mechanism for supporters to feed in,

 Best practice would also be to publish the Agenda on the Club website 1 week in advance with more flesh on the bone than shown here in order to facilitate further supporter input to same or to AOB

 

You don't read anything do you. you  just spout drivel.

The panel is not there for supporters  issues to be fed to, if there is anything needs raising or concerns, contact the club and then it will be dealt with , and if appropriate  discussed at a panel meeting.

Otherwise time would be wasted on individual gripes rather than whole picture 

 

[Feedthewolf 5,885]

2 hours ago, essex canary said:

The same applies to a Non-Executive Director in terms of a meeting last week whom I have challenged in terms of inclusiveness, supporters rights and fair pricing issues. He should be very prompt in at least developing a holding position but hasn't been. Such issues go to the heart of good club governance.       

He's probably ignoring you like everyone else at the club, Kevin, on account of you being an inveterate timewaster.

[Robert N. LiM 6,251]

46 minutes ago, Feedthewolf said:

He's probably ignoring you like everyone else at the club, Kevin, on account of you being an inveterate timewaster.

Don't go back in the water 😉 

[TIL 1010 5,246]

48 minutes ago, Feedthewolf said:

He's probably ignoring you like everyone else at the club, Kevin, on account of you being an inveterate timewaster.

Wasn't it great on this forum @Feedthewolf after the final whistle Saturday until well into Monday as virtually all the threads were about the game and football related so we had a complete rest from his tiresome agenda.

[GMF 1,010]

@essex canary “No formal mechanism for supporters to feed in”, has that ever stopped you from incessantly emailing / sending personal messages to, either the Club, and / or panel members previously?

[wcorkcanary 4,777]

20 minutes ago, GMF said:

@essex canary “No formal mechanism for supporters to feed in”, has that ever stopped you from incessantly emailing / sending personal messages to, either the Club, and / or panel members previously?

He's just a random whinge generator,  probably AI , designed to nit pick on stuff he hasn't read,  doesn't really care about etc blah  blah,  spurned lover syndrome. 

Task AI . Create a persona that claims to support a football club that  he chisels away at incessantly, for no good reason , he was heard and appealled and ombudded? Yet still knows  better than any, despite constantly being corrected  on mistruth, mistake  and misinformation.   Give this persona  an unhealthy obsession with a quite,attractive senior member of staff, a love interest if you like. Do not allow  him to give a straight answer to a straight  question , yet allow him ro question the integrity of whoever takes his ire that day. He will claim false allies , have conversations with the ordinary man, he will by chance overhear strangers discussing his pet obsessions. But most of all let this characters  campaign be built on two lies...

1. That he invested in shares to ' help'  the club.

2. That he did not understand what he was doing  when reading the,contract ref those shares. This same avatar claims to be a senior accountant, well versed apparently  in the laws of filthy lucre.  

[ncfcstar 342]

On 25/09/2024 at 10:56, GMF said:

There’s two separate issues here. Firstly, abuse of panel members, which is clearly unacceptable, and, secondly, the wider communication issues from the Club. Getting the balance right between the two is crucial, and the former issue shouldn’t be an excuse for not improving the latter. 

I agree, I would humbly suggest following my experience on the OSP that the majority of supporters are still either a) unaware of it's existence or b) unaware of it's purpose.

[Feedthewolf 5,885]

8 minutes ago, ncfcstar said:

I agree, I would humbly suggest following my experience on the OSP that the majority of supporters are still either a) unaware of it's existence or b) unaware of it's purpose.

b) certainly applied to me for a considerable amount of my tenure... 😉

It definitely improved once Elliot King took over; I think the combination of it being a new initiative coupled with the turnover of key staff in the first 12 months made it a bit of a dog's dinner at times.

I think everyone agreed that the new format adopted when the first cohort of members stepped down – i.e. the panel being a combination of elected members and members of existing fan clubs/organisations – was a better way to get a wider range of views in the room.

Ultimately, though, as various independent surveys have shown, our fan engagement ranks very highly. I think Elliot's involvement has been instrumental in that.

[Greavsy 2,645]

Minutes from this meeting now available. 

 

[Soldier on 289]

12 minutes ago, Greavsy said:

Minutes from this meeting now available. 

 

Where ?

[Midlands Yellow 4,682]

12 minutes ago, Greavsy said:

Minutes from this meeting now available. 

 

Straight on them, should be a good read. 

[GMF 1,010]

I’ve just posted a separate message on this with a link to the minutes. 

[TIL 1010 5,246]

Supporters Panel Meeting 17/09/2024 - Norwich City (canaries.co.uk)