How long to you give him

[Nexus_Canary 1,206]

Either people have very short memories, attention spans or are just plain thick.
 

[Robert N. LiM 6,217]

1 hour ago, Feedthewolf said:

Yeah, absolutely. Waveney was up at 5am to travel across the country to watch us, so he's totally entitled to have a vent, even if it is a bit of an overreaction! Big props to everyone who made the journey today, disappointing result but hardly 'the players should refund the fans who travelled Nayul' territory!

Overreacting is the point of being a football fan, as anyone who has ever hugged a stranger after a different stranger kicked a ball into a net well knows.

[Hucks6 186]

2 hours ago, norwich canary said:

No I am at the game gig up at 5am this is no better than Wagner actually it’s worse . Bottom half of the league and we deserve to be there 

Go play in the traffic idiot

[Fen Canary 1,456]

2 hours ago, percy varco said:

Really. Its a building year. 

It’s a slightly depressing thought though if we’re expected to simply give up on the season after 5 games 

[Paul101 189]

2 hours ago, norwich canary said:

Before he gets a vote of confidence ? 
 

Not even in my worst nightmares did I think we could find a coach worse than Wagner but some how we have managed it ! 

your a known Ipswich fan so shhhh

[hogesar 10,717]

3 hours ago, canarydan23 said:

I don't think we were awful today; we were a moment of considerable misfortune away from a clean sheet on the road and Sainz seemingly forgetting how to play football stopped us getting another impressive away win.

You can't really blame the above two factors on Thorup.

He might need to make a big call on McLean though if he has too many games like that. 

Guarantee you he doesn't make a call on Mclean when Forson and Nunez were worse.

[hogesar 10,717]

I think we've made the call and therefore need to give Thorup time.

But for me Swansea are a bang average championship side and for 70 minutes they've probably never felt so comfortable.

I think fans are easily tricked into thinking possession = control. For me, Swansea realised they could sit off us and we'd struggle to create much.

Ultimately the concerning thing is our best opportunities came thanks to Onel Hernandez, who most would have sold some 3 years ago.

[Ken Hairy 4,272]

He needs 3 windows to totally change the ethos, he's had just 1, so barring a total disaster then Xmas next year will see those windows and a period of time afterwards.

We will need to see gradual improvement with each window though  

[Ken Hairy 4,272]

50 minutes ago, Paul101 said:

your a known Ipswich fan so shhhh

He may be a drama queen but he's a well known City fan who goes to every game. 

[Parma Ham's gone mouldy 2,448]

21 minutes ago, hogesar said:

I think we've made the call and therefore need to give Thorup time.

But for me Swansea are a bang average championship side and for 70 minutes they've probably never felt so comfortable.

I think fans are easily tricked into thinking possession = control. For me, Swansea realised they could sit off us and we'd struggle to create much.

Ultimately the concerning thing is our best opportunities came thanks to Onel Hernandez, who most would have sold some 3 years ago.

Both boxes.

You can do a lot of good, tidy work in between that ultimately counts for nothing. 

Anybody in football has seen ‘quite good’ sides, that don’t quite score and have a mistake or two in them, go down. 

I’m not saying we’ll go down, though I remain much less enthused than most I’m afraid. 

We look hollowed out of effectiveness. No weapons at all. 

Parma 

[Paul101 189]

23 minutes ago, Ken Hairy said:

He may be a drama queen but he's a well known City fan who goes to every game. 

I did think that after I posted it but couldnt be bothered to edit 😛

[FCC 94]

Knapper is all in on this. It’s his master plan.  
 

We still appear to sign weak players, who are not quick enough, lack vision, and have very limited passing ability.  We can’t afford the players to play like Arsenal, so I wish we’d stop trying and come up with a quicker more direct style of play. 

[Fen Canary 1,456]

5 minutes ago, Parma Ham's gone mouldy said:

Both boxes.

You can do a lot of good, tidy work in between that ultimately counts for nothing. 

Anybody in football has seen ‘quite good’ sides, that don’t quite score and have a mistake or two in them, go down. 

I’m not saying we’ll go down, though I remain much less enthused than most I’m afraid. 

We look hollowed out of effectiveness. No weapons at all. 

Parma 

People seem to think if we just give it a season then Thorups second year will be like Farkes. However without Buendia Farkes second season would have been as mediocre as his first, and players of that calibre don’t appear very often for a second division side.

In my eyes football is a simple game. You need two good centre halves to keep the ball out, and a couple of good strikers/playmakers to create and score goals. Everything else is just filler

[Capt. Pants 4,974]

1 hour ago, Fen Canary said:

It’s a slightly depressing thought though if we’re expected to simply give up on the season after 5 games 

Otherwise known as a sit down shut up season.

I wonder if those fans who don't actually go to games might be more tolerant than our friend who hauls his a4se to Swansea.

Anyway, regardless we are just going to have to suck it up for another season, but I can't help wondering how the hell we got to this point?

[Bigbrenn 86]

6 minutes ago, Fen Canary said:

 

In my eyes football is a simple game. You need two good centre halves to keep the ball out, and a couple of good strikers/playmakers to create and score goals. Everything else is just filler

Hi Fen Canary.

You seen to have a good understanding of football. Fancy a job?

Regards

Ben K

[essex canary 616]

Let's quote win percentages for past managers Grant, Gunn, Hamilton, Rioch, Roeder & Wagner.

These are respectively 33.3, 28.6, 28.6, 32.3, 30.8 and 40.8.

So where will Thorup fit in?

Edited September 14 by essex canary

[Fen Canary 1,456]

Just now, Bigbrenn said:

Hi Fen Canary.

You seen to have a good understanding of football. Fancy a job?

Regards

Ben K

Am I wrong though? If you have a decent spine to the team then that usually outweighs any tactical tweaks. This is why the teams that have the best players tend to win more games than they lose, irrespective of who is in charge 

[Bigbrenn 86]

2 minutes ago, Fen Canary said:

Am I wrong though? If you have a decent spine to the team then that usually outweighs any tactical tweaks. This is why the teams that have the best players tend to win more games than they lose, irrespective of who is in charge 

100% agree. Your best keeper, best centre half (or two) best midfielder and striker. Build all else from that.

Edited September 14 by Bigbrenn

[Dame to Blame 108]

4 hours ago, norwich canary said:

No I am at the game gig up at 5am this is no better than Wagner actually it’s worse . Bottom half of the league and we deserve to be there 

fcuking binner 

[Graham Paddons Beard 2,758]

Everyone that went today is fully entitled to their opinion. Anyone not there today telling committed fans to F Off can do precisely the same. 

[Fen Canary 1,456]

For what it’s worth he has to have at least the season and a bit as long as we’re not in danger of relegation (which I don’t think we will be). However I can’t see us finishing in the top half of the table.

Whether that’s a success after spending the best part of £20 million on players I’ll let others decide, though I imagine if we’d have been in this situation with Webber still in the hot seat the pitchforks would be out already 

[Robert N. LiM 6,217]

3 minutes ago, Graham Paddons Beard said:

Everyone that went today is fully entitled to their opinion. Anyone not there today telling committed fans to F Off can do precisely the same. 

Strongly agree with this, though I remain firmly in the 'give him time' camp. Totally aware that it's much easier to be in this camp as an armchair fan, and full of respect for those who went from Norwich to Swansea to watch a team very much in its infancy get beaten.

[Yobocop 1,439]

Needs at least the season 

[Robert N. LiM 6,217]

44 minutes ago, Parma Ham's gone mouldy said:

Both boxes.

You can do a lot of good, tidy work in between that ultimately counts for nothing. 

Anybody in football has seen ‘quite good’ sides, that don’t quite score and have a mistake or two in them, go down. 

I’m not saying we’ll go down, though I remain much less enthused than most I’m afraid. 

We look hollowed out of effectiveness. No weapons at all. 

Parma 

Yeah, that's definitely the counter to the 'give him time' school. Though I guess there's something to be said for building the system, then bolting on the weapon. Worthington's solidity suddenly became a championship-winning team with Huckerby in it, etc.

Edit: Sargent is surely a weapon at this level. To continue the above comparison, it may well be that he is in the Iwan role, keeping our heads above water while the new team is built.

Edited September 14 by Robert N. LiM

[repman 745]

I think as long as we're not near the drop then you keep going, provided as well you continue to see steady improvement. It's a young squad, compared to last year where it always felt to me like a last roll of the dice. At least you can project some hope that a lot of these players should be better with a year under their belts.

The biggest issue for me so far has been the fact we aren't quite clicking in the final third, that is more to do with personnel than tactics in my view. With that said I still think we should've at least drawn today, and that's only because we gave away a quite bizarre goal really. Based off the underlying numbers so far we seem to be ok, as that sample size develops we should get a better idea of where we're at. 

 

[Capt. Pants 4,974]

I didn't see the game today and by the sounds of it I'm glad I didn't.

The matchday thread makes for pretty grim reading really. I don't know why we're making it so difficult. Are the players on a different wavelength to Thorup, is he making things too complicated for thicko players?

If you don't shoot then you aren't going to score and if you can't defend either it makes for a bloody long season.

Next up Watford. We'd better bloody well be up for that one on our own patch.

[unique 466]

The evidence on show so far points to a bang average squad which will spend the majority (if not all) the season in the bottom half of the table. It would take a very special coach to mould this lot into a formidable outfit.
The cupboard is finally bare after selling all the prized assets of value.

If Sargent was to get injured for any length of time, we will offer so little threat up front that 0-0 draws will be celebrated rapturously.

When a very young loanee appears to be our stand-out player, it says much about our newly assembled squad.
 

Hope will spring eternal from those supporters who bleed yellow and green.I expect the rest will ultimately be drowned in apathy.

[hogesar 10,717]

Worth noting Swansea haven't had the sort of transfer budget we've had or players from when we were in the Prem (Sargent) and their head coach only joined them in January. 

[Jason Shackell’s Limp Tack 134]

6 hours ago, norwich canary said:

No I am at the game gig up at 5am this is no better than Wagner actually it’s worse . Bottom half of the league and we deserve

Funny

[CardiffCanary 163]

6 hours ago, norwich canary said:

Before he gets a vote of confidence ? 
 

Not even in my worst nightmares did I think we could find a coach worse than Wagner but some how we have managed it ! 

What an embarrassing post …

binner