Good news chaps.

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Fassnacht, Sorensen and Barnesy all just a few weeks from being back.

In all seriousness, can anyone see a place for any of those 3?

Edited September 12, 2024 by ncfc-tom

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Yes.

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Fringe players at best who may be used in FA Cup 3rd Round.

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24 minutes ago, ncfc-tom said:

Fassnacht, Sorensen and Barnesy all just a few weeks from being back.

In all seriousness, can anyone see a place for any of those 3?

Fasshnact will get minutes off the bench.

Sorenson will be used if fit, as he's backup for several positions.

Barnes though, I just can't see a presumably even further diminished Barnes being Thorup's cup of tea at all. I think what we have in Barnes is a player who is done at this level and needs to go down to the lower leagues if he wants to keep playing. He's this generations Peter Thorne.

Peter Thorne went from us to League Two, where he played a further 77 games for Bradford City, and that is precisely the type of move that Barnes needs to make now if he wants to keep playing.

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We may well get stretched and need to utilise all  the depth of the squad at times this season - it’s pretty stupid to belittle players coming back to fitness, whoever they are.

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That’s brilliant news. 

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48 minutes ago, JonnyJonnyRowe said:

Fasshnact will get minutes off the bench.

Sorenson will be used if fit, as he's backup for several positions.

Barnes though, I just can't see a presumably even further diminished Barnes being Thorup's cup of tea at all. I think what we have in Barnes is a player who is done at this level and needs to go down to the lower leagues if he wants to keep playing. He's this generations Peter Thorne.

Peter Thorne went from us to League Two, where he played a further 77 games for Bradford City, and that is precisely the type of move that Barnes needs to make now if he wants to keep playing.

Today's quote from JHT is a classic...............

 “Barnsey had a little setback just before the international break when everything was fine, we pushed him a little bit, and he did some running but maybe it was a little bit too much for him,

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55 minutes ago, JonnyJonnyRowe said:

Fasshnact will get minutes off the bench.

Sorenson will be used if fit, as he's backup for several positions.

Barnes though, I just can't see a presumably even further diminished Barnes being Thorup's cup of tea at all. I think what we have in Barnes is a player who is done at this level and needs to go down to the lower leagues if he wants to keep playing. He's this generations Peter Thorne.

Peter Thorne went from us to League Two, where he played a further 77 games for Bradford City, and that is precisely the type of move that Barnes needs to make now if he wants to keep playing.

Appreciate Barnes is never going to be anyone favourite player a comparison with Thorne that is harsh. Barnes has played for 7 years in the premier league a level Thorne was unfamiliar with. I would also imagine our record with Barnes vs without Barnes who make interesting reading.

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Just for the chaps, this one?

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Goods news indeed, Any player can step up and rescue a point or secure all 3 and that's what matters in this game.

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24 minutes ago, South Sider said:

Just for the chaps, this one?

And chapettes 

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It's a long season and one suspects Sorensen will get injured again, but it's good to have back-up. Based on what we have seen so far it doesn't feel as though they'll be in contention for the starting XI.

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8 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said:

Based on what we have seen so far it doesn't feel as though they'll be in contention for the starting XI.

Fact that Duffy is getting the nod makes me wonder about Barnes.  When you're moving the ball around it's as much about IQ as it is mobility, and he's a very experienced guy who I could see getting minutes.  But you're right, not in the starting XI.

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Barnes has vast experience, is different to our other strikers and is capable of being just generally horrible to play against opening up spaces for others. While he might not be a regular first choice currently I’d hope Thorup doesn’t fall into the Farke trap of believing there’s only one way of playing the game. The ability to mix it up when Plan A isn’t working is invaluable in such a long slog of a season 

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We've also got Kaide Gordon to come in who (and Liverpool) one would imagine expects at least a place on the bench.

From what I've seen Schwartau looks sharper than Crnac as well, so competition for the matchday experience could well hotten up, although it sounds as though 'Barnesy' is still some way off.

[Paul101 197]

Barnes played in a free flowing championship promotion side

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Options off the bench....can't be all that bad....

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I think Barnes will be an excellent option to have off the bench for the last 20 mins.

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3 hours ago, Ulfotto said:

Appreciate Barnes is never going to be anyone favourite player a comparison with Thorne that is harsh. Barnes has played for 7 years in the premier league a level Thorne was unfamiliar with. 

Peter Thorne got into double figures in the Championship two seasons in a row before we signed him.

I get that Barnes played at a higher level, but Barnes is also also 2 years older than Thorne was when we signed him. Thorne is now the same age as Iwan was when we released him, there's now shame in it, you just don't see many strikers at 34 or 35 at a high level do you, there comes a time when they have to make a decision, hang up their boots or drop down a level.

I think some people forget that Ashley Barnes is 35 next month. Not only 35 but a 35 year old coming back from surgery. Steven Fletcher also played 7 seasons in the Premier League, but was in League Two last season.

Charlie Austin played 6 seasons in the Premier League, he was in League Two last season as well. Similar age to Barnes.

Jordan Rhodes one of the best ever goalscorers in the second tier, playing now in League One. Same age as Barnes.

Happens to them all. Don't see many 35 year old strikers playing at this level. 

My point really was that they both got to the point where they were no longer effective enough at this level when into their 30s and that Thorne benefited from a second wind by going down to a league where perhaps his game intelligence could make up for the physical decline. That might be a good idea for Ashley Barnes if he wants to squeeze another couple of years out of the game.

In terms of the goals scored in the second tier, although I accept you can just a striker by their goals, then even if you take into account Peter Thornes utterly dreadful spell for us, the stats look like this:

Ashley Barnes - 224 games, 41 goals

Peter Thorne - 153 games, 55 goals

Thorne came here with a good pedigree and was a good player at this level.

 

Edited September 12, 2024 by JonnyJonnyRowe

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Is Fassnacht out of contract at the end of this season? 

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57 minutes ago, JonnyJonnyRowe said:

Peter Thorne got into double figures in the Championship two seasons in a row before we signed him.

I get that Barnes played at a higher level, but Barnes is also also 2 years older than Thorne was when we signed him. Thorne is now the same age as Iwan was when we released him, there's now shame in it, you just don't see many strikers at 34 or 35 at a high level do you, there comes a time when they have to make a decision, hang up their boots or drop down a level.

I think some people forget that Ashley Barnes is 35 next month. Not only 35 but a 35 year old coming back from surgery. Steven Fletcher also played 7 seasons in the Premier League, but was in League Two last season.

Charlie Austin played 6 seasons in the Premier League, he was in League Two last season as well. Similar age to Barnes.

Jordan Rhodes one of the best ever goalscorers in the second tier, playing now in League One. Same age as Barnes.

Happens to them all. Don't see many 35 year old strikers playing at this level. 

My point really was that they both got to the point where they were no longer effective enough at this level when into their 30s and that Thorne benefited from a second wind by going down to a league where perhaps his game intelligence could make up for the physical decline. That might be a good idea for Ashley Barnes if he wants to squeeze another couple of years out of the game.

In terms of the goals scored in the second tier, although I accept you can just a striker by their goals, then even if you take into account Peter Thornes utterly dreadful spell for us, the stats look like this:

Ashley Barnes - 224 games, 41 goals

Peter Thorne - 153 games, 55 goals

Thorne came here with a good pedigree and was a good player at this level.

 

Some good points there. Don’t like Jamie Vardy the man but what a player. Still doing the business at 37 at the highest level, freakish. 

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1 hour ago, TheGoogler said:

Is Fassnacht out of contract at the end of this season? 

Hopefully, can’t see what he brings to the team 

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46 minutes ago, Midlands Yellow said:

Some good points there. Don’t like Jamie Vardy the man but what a player. Still doing the business at 37 at the highest level, freakish. 

I've grown to quite like him, he's just a wind up merchant, and been really loyal to Leicester and I'm sure could have cashed in and gone to the MLS or Saudi this summer on 2 to 3 years instead of a 1 year deal. 

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1 hour ago, TheGoogler said:

Is Fassnacht out of contract at the end of this season? 

Yes, with 1 year option.

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Good news, the squad does look light without them

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11 minutes ago, JonnyJonnyRowe said:

I've grown to quite like him, he's just a wind up merchant, and been really loyal to Leicester and I'm sure could have cashed in and gone to the MLS or Saudi this summer on 2 to 3 years instead of a 1 year deal. 

I still see that video of him in that casino, if he’d never made it he’d have been mopping D wing. But yes, a fantastic and dedicated footballer. Had the mental capacity and belief that Cantwell never could have. 

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4 hours ago, Paul101 said:

Barnes played in a free flowing championship promotion side

Again, he's 35 next month and just had surgery. He's at the end. Season before last is a long time ago when at that age. 

Two years ago you'd have wanted Pukki, but would you want him now after 4 goals in 20 games in the MLS this season? Huge difference between 32 and 34 in professional football.

We can see what he looks like, but honestly think the best he can hope for a Wilbraham style bit part role, coming on for 10-15 minutes every other match to rough the centre backs up, try and pinch a goal or a knock down etc.

I could say that 35 year old Charlie Austin scored 18 goals in a single Premier League season, doesn't mean he'd be any use in the Championship now. AFC Tooton would probably accept about £7k for him.

 

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15 hours ago, ncfc-tom said:

In all seriousness, can anyone see a place for any of those 3?

Barnes will be needed as back up to Sargent. While not like for like, Barnes has a physical presence at the top end of the pitch. Sargent at best will need to manage his minutes, it seems like he is not going to manage 90 minutes every game, especially in three game weeks. 

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15 hours ago, yellowrider120 said:

Today's quote from JHT is a classic...............

 “Barnsey had a little setback just before the international break when everything was fine, we pushed him a little bit, and he did some running but maybe it was a little bit too much for him,

Perhaps, given this assessment from JHT, Ashley should give League 2 a miss and head straight to "Walking Football"?

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17 hours ago, ncfc-tom said:

Fassnacht, Sorensen and Barnesy all just a few weeks from being back.

In all seriousness, can anyone see a place for any of those 3?

Winning promotion is about the squad, not the 1st 11.  I can definitely see all 3 of these being useful options off the bench and potentially starting depending on injuries.  

 

JHT is meant to be very pragmatic, and sometimes putting on a player like Barnes with 15 minutes to go can be exactly what you need.

With a new coach, it will be interesting to see whether Fassnacht and Sorensen progress, both of them have potential to be better than we've seen so far.