Leicester win appeal against decision over PSR charge

[BigFish 2,209]

9 hours ago, cornish sam said:

But premier league 2 would just move the line down a rung in the league ladder, it wouldn't solve anything unless they closed the door on promotion/relegation to pl2...

The idea of Premier 2 is a red herring. The big clubs are looking upwards at the Champions League, not downwards to the Champs, they literally don't not care. The making up the numbers clubs on the other hand are looking both ways. They want to tie the big clubs to the EPL to keep the money flowing and also avoid any uppity Chanpionship clubs finding themselves a wealthy billionaire to fund a top 17 finish, hence the loop hole @foxchrys mentions above. The EPL is beyond reform, the only question really is whether you want to keep it or scrap it.

[Robert N. LiM 5,463]

10 hours ago, foxchrys said:

I do think we need a football regulator.

Ironically, before the Premier League, we had one - the Football Association. It was crap, and full of stuffed-blazer idiots, but it did exist to represent the entire game. When it went into business with the Premier League (as others have said, it didn't have much of a choice; the big clubs would have broken away otherwise), it became a player in the game and essentially abandoned, or fatally compromised, its regulatory role.

[Midlands Yellow 4,487]

10 hours ago, foxchrys said:

We still cut our spending significantly.  In our relegation season we were the only club in all of Europe to not sign a player up until the last couple of days of the window, and we only then brought in Faes after a big money sale of Fofana ,so we basically embargoed ourselves until that happened.

The main reason Rodgers survived for so long in the same season was PSR concerns, without them he probably would have gone during the WC.

It seems we have also complied for the EFL season, we sold Barnes, a bunch of contracts expired, a bunch of high wage players were out on loan, and then after the season ended we sold our player of the yeah KDH, and got 10million compensation for having Enzo poached.  Compared to Ipswich e.g. we have spent a lot less post promotion.  We even loaned out Cannon whilst we have a Striker crisis, basically we only have two strikers in our first team squad, a almost 40 Vardy, and 33 year old Ayew signed from palace.

You are right we not been run well right now, with many blaming the director of football, he isnt very good at getting rid of squad players, of which many have/had a high salary, so we relied on big money first team sales, and eventually if you keep selling your best players it comes back to haunt you.

Now perhaps for the controversial part of my post, I do support financial regulation in football, I think it is important there is some kind of protection to mitigate risks of clubs becoming insolvent, however I dont support the current rules, not only are they unsporting (applying different spending limits to different clubs), but also as is we are seeing right now the rules are poorly written with flaws all over the place.  The prime reason I think is the rules are created by the clubs themselves, and most clubs have their own self interest.  This has led to a set of spending limits tied to revenue/income and no penalties at all for debt.  For me I would set a spending limit that takes into account all clubs in the competition so for the EPL it would mean the likes of Liverpool and Manchester United getting huge spending limit reductions, and clubs like Norwich would be able to compete better as the budget wouldnt be miles of the spending limits.  But of course we will never see these rules, as all the clubs just think of themselves, and not just the big 6 either, the established EPL clubs benefit from it as they have a higher spending limit than promoted clubs, and likewise parachute clubs in the championship benefit from it.

Given we managed to find a flaw in the rules to win our case, it wouldnt surprise me now if Manchester City's mountain of lawyers get the club out of it clean, and I await the complete uproar that will follow, I do think we need a football regulator.

Someone already has found another flaw in the PSR rules, it looks like we will get the full 105m spending limit for this year's review, as the reduction only applies to EFL seasons "before" the promotion season.

https://x.com/slbsn/status/1831454631387664541

Sami old Leicester, always cheating. Got away with it in 2002 and again now. Didn’t even pay the last £5m or more for the Crisp Bowl either. 

[essex canary 573]

22 minutes ago, Robert N. LiM said:

Ironically, before the Premier League, we had one - the Football Association. It was crap, and full of stuffed-blazer idiots, but it did exist to represent the entire game. When it went into business with the Premier League (as others have said, it didn't have much of a choice; the big clubs would have broken away otherwise), it became a player in the game and essentially abandoned, or fatally compromised, its regulatory role.

Yes exactly. It was then focussed on the grass roots upwards.

The simple fact is that shifting from first gear to sixth doesn't work for Leicester or Norwich.

Do we want our National game or the Harlem Globetrotters Agenda?

[BigFish 2,209]

46 minutes ago, essex canary said:

Yes exactly. It was then focussed on the grass roots upwards.

The simple fact is that shifting from first gear to sixth doesn't work for Leicester or Norwich.

Do we want our National game or the Harlem Globetrotters Agenda?

This is all true. The key is in the last sentence, who is this "we". The community of football supporters is irreconcilably split. Most significantly along the lines of those whose habits developed pre-1993 and the advent of the EPL and those who come after. You also have the split between "plastics" and "real fans" and between those who support the big clubs and others. Our National game as you call it still exists, and will continue to exist. Probably perfectly healthily. Elite football is very different beast and the EPL reflects this. It is now totally separate from ideas of grassroots, the pyramid, the history and traditions of the game. Any debate needs to reflect that.

[Carrow89 73]

It rumbles on

https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/sep/04/leicester-could-face-new-psr-charge-premier-league-accounts

[essex canary 573]

1 hour ago, BigFish said:

This is all true. The key is in the last sentence, who is this "we". The community of football supporters is irreconcilably split. Most significantly along the lines of those whose habits developed pre-1993 and the advent of the EPL and those who come after. You also have the split between "plastics" and "real fans" and between those who support the big clubs and others. Our National game as you call it still exists, and will continue to exist. Probably perfectly healthily. Elite football is very different beast and the EPL reflects this. It is now totally separate from ideas of grassroots, the pyramid, the history and traditions of the game. Any debate needs to reflect that.

That is by and large true though some younger people possibly do appreciate the value of community football clubs and even some supporters of top 6 clubs would like to see more emphasis on the domestic game. There are also doubtless owners and senior personnel at medium ranking football clubs who have unrealistic aspirations in relation to the top 17 based on where we are at the moment.

[foxchrys 22]

11 hours ago, Midlands Yellow said:

Sami old Leicester, always cheating. Got away with it in 2002 and again now. Didn’t even pay the last £5m or more for the Crisp Bowl either. 

Stadium ended up costing us a little over 70m, as ownership was kept by the financers, we paid rent on it for many years, until King Power purchased it.

[Midlands Yellow 4,487]

49 minutes ago, foxchrys said:

Stadium ended up costing us a little over 70m, as ownership was kept by the financers, we paid rent on it for many years, until King Power purchased it.

Of course you did, even though it cost £35m max and the builders went bust (No thanks to LCFC not paying what was owed)