Derby Away Tickets On Sale Today.

[GMF 1,006]

4 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

Yes there were sections spare next to us. Did you go?

No they didn’t. Check the City View on YouTube. Plenty of seats remained on either side of the main group of fans, and down the front.

[Commonsense 802]

1 minute ago, GMF said:

No they didn’t. Check the City View on YouTube. Plenty of seats remained on either side of the main group of fans, and down the front.

That’s what I’ve said so I don’t understand your comment.

[GMF 1,006]

2 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

That’s what I’ve said so I don’t understand your comment.

I was reiterating your point, as others were suggesting that we sold out for Coventry, we clearly didn’t. 

[GMF 1,006]

4 hours ago, Creedence Clearwater Couto said:

If they only took an allocation of 1600 for Cov, then that’s a mistake.

No, we only sold 1,600 seats for Coventry. As @TIL 1010 said, tickets were available for sale until late last week, but we didn’t sell out completely.

[debbie does norwich 23]

4 hours ago, GMF said:

The Club will know the number of match picks for each game, and they have a fairly good idea of the likely number of away fans for each match.

On the plus side, it gives members in different groups the opportunity to buy tickets together, and no one complains if their judgement is fairly accurate.

The potential problem is a chance that they completely misjudge the take up for a game in the future. Everyone remembers when they get it wrong, and complains loudly, but not so when they don’t. 

This has been discussed before as you well know and the argument at the time was that the Club is aware of the gap between jeopardy and reality so such a misjudgement wouldn't happen. The website shows that this game is sold out during day 1 of sales. 

I have my ticket so it doesn't affect me but it is still, as far as I see it, a contractual obligation. Thus it's really  not unreasonable for anyone who has missed out to complain loudly and what's more, the club has no defence.

[essex canary 610]

48 minutes ago, GMF said:

Your comment does stand up to scrutiny, as we didn’t sell our away allocation at Coventry - despite being offered to members, then STH, before going to general sale, it didn’t sell out. 

Even if the membership scheme is the disincentive you claim it to be, it shouldn’t stop the remaining STH, who aren’t paying the membership fee, from buying any remaining tickets after the first sale date.

Without the membership fee everyone could afford an extra ticket each season. If they want to be cheered on into the Premier League best to bear that in mind.

The truth is they don't care how many games home or away the fan has been to in the past they just want to take a little bit extra rather than give that little bit extra. 

[TIL 1010 5,228]

1 hour ago, Commonsense said:

Yes there were sections spare next to us. Did you go?

Yes.

[Carrow89 166]

3 hours ago, Year of the tiger said:

We took 2000 for Coventry, did not sell out.

City have taken 2000 for Derby,  we could possibly sell 2500 for Derby but it depends how many they are prepared to give us. Max we can demand inEFLis 2000, if they wish to let us have more it is up to home club, we can’t insist.

" Visiting supporters are situated in the corner between the East and South Stands. General league allocation limit's visiting teams to 2,700 although in excess of 5,500 can be catered for on cup games. "

https://www.theposh.com/news/fans-gallery-derby-county-v-posh

[GMF 1,006]

8 hours ago, debbie does norwich said:

This has been discussed before as you well know and the argument at the time was that the Club is aware of the gap between jeopardy and reality so such a misjudgement wouldn't happen. The website shows that this game is sold out during day 1 of sales. 

I have my ticket so it doesn't affect me but it is still, as far as I see it, a contractual obligation. Thus it's really  not unreasonable for anyone who has missed out to complain loudly and what's more, the club has no defence.

Unfortunately, under the terms and conditions of the membership scheme, firstly, choosing a match pick for a particular game doesn’t actually guarantee you a ticket for that game, and, secondly, the Club reserves the right to vary the manner or system in which match tickets are to be sold.

We can have a debate as to whether those T&C’s are reasonable, or not, but, I’m afraid, that’s their defence right there.

[GMF 1,006]

8 hours ago, essex canary said:

Without the membership fee everyone could afford an extra ticket each season.

Affordability isn’t the issue here, though, is it? The sale process went through three stages, members (say 6,000) STH who’re not also members (say 18,000) and to general sale, yet still didn’t sell out at Coventry. 

[Creedence Clearwater Couto 1,611]

6 minutes ago, GMF said:

Affordability isn’t the issue here, though, is it? The sale process went through three stages, members (say 6,000) STH who’re not also members (say 18,000) and to general sale, yet still didn’t sell out at Coventry. 

I was under the impression the club did say it was sold out - but it clearly wasn’t.

If the club took 2k and then put out to general sale and only sold 1.6k then no issue.

I think the whole membership thing has been fraught with issues since it’s inception, and the club isn’t always transparent around ticket sales which is unjust on casual fans.

Edited September 3 by Creedence Clearwater Couto

[Year of the tiger 66]

6 hours ago, Carrow89 said:

" Visiting supporters are situated in the corner between the East and South Stands. General league allocation limit's visiting teams to 2,700 although in excess of 5,500 can be catered for on cup games. "

https://www.theposh.com/news/fans-gallery-derby-county-v-posh

As I said if clubs choose to make more than 2000 available to away teams that is up to them but the figure set by EFL is 10% or 2000 which ever is least. Just as in the Prem it’s 10% or 3000. When it came to the play offs last season all 4 sides limited the away allocation to 2000 despite having allowed more away fans in during the season.

Dont know if we were offered more for Derby but worth remebering we had 2000 for Coventry & sold less than 1600.

Tickets back on sale now

Edited September 3 by Year of the tiger
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[debbie does norwich 23]

23 minutes ago, GMF said:

Unfortunately, under the terms and conditions of the membership scheme, firstly, choosing a match pick for a particular game doesn’t actually guarantee you a ticket for that game, and, secondly, the Club reserves the right to vary the manner or system in which match tickets are to be sold.

We can have a debate as to whether those T&C’s are reasonable, or not, but, I’m afraid, that’s their defence right there.

 

I have done a cut and paste from the membership faqs below from the match pick question. How do you justify them using the word  "guarentee" in the answer. Maybe not in the t&cs but damning nonetheless. Your defence of this **** up is very disappointing!

 

"The match pick is designed to ensure supporters have a better opportunity to secure a ticket to a game of their choice. Once the 2024/25 fixtures are released, eligible members will have the opportunity to select their preferred game on a first-come, first served basis, which will guarantee them a ticket to that game. For more details see below specific match pick questions."

[essex canary 610]

11 minutes ago, GMF said:

Affordability isn’t the issue here, though, is it? The sale process went through three stages, members (say 6,000) STH who’re not also members (say 18,000) and to general sale, yet still didn’t sell out at Coventry. 

The issue is transparency and a system headed up by somebody earning around 15 times the average wage for which such transparency should be a key component of the job description.

[Jim Smith 2,578]

There appear to be more tickets back on sale this morning. However it remains bizarre that they chose to sell tickets to all priority groups at the same time. Just stick to the system. 

[GMF 1,006]

18 minutes ago, Creedence Clearwater Couto said:

I was under the impression the club did say it was sold out - but it clearly wasn’t.

If the club took 2k and then put out to general sale and only sold 1.6k then no issue.

I think the whole membership thing has been fraught with issues since it’s inception, and the club isn’t always transparent around ticket sales which is unjust on casual fans.

The Club messaged out on X last Tuesday that supporters wishing to attend the Coventry game were advised to book their tickets by 3pm Wednesday, as there was no option to pay on the day.

As for the membership scheme, the whole monetised membership relies on the concept of jeopardy. In reality, there isn’t usually any for most games, but there’s always a few games where a priority arrangement will be required.

That was even the case pre 2019-20, when most games actually went straight on sale to all members and STH at the same time, with only a few games using a priority sales system.

[GMF 1,006]

38 minutes ago, debbie does norwich said:

I have done a cut and paste from the membership faqs below from the match pick question. How do you justify them using the word  "guarentee" in the answer. Maybe not in the t&cs but damning nonetheless. Your defence of this **** up is very disappointing!

The T&C’s will take priority over the FAQ’s if it went legal.

I’m not defending anything, just trying to highlight the facts of the T&C’s. If that insight isn’t what you want to hear, so be it, but I don’t come here to have shade thrown at me. 

[TIL 1010 5,228]

As I understand it the Club Twatter account has not helped by announcing that tickets were not going on sale until today anyway. 

[GMF 1,006]

4 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

As I understand it the Club Twatter account has not helped by announcing that tickets were not going on sale until today anyway. 

They got the date wrong on Sunday’s tweet, which was subsequently deleted, but confirmed that the sales started on the Monday. 

[Robert N. LiM 6,180]

14 hours ago, TIL 1010 said:

Tickets for Coventry were available on the club website right up until last Friday.

That's interesting. When I looked, a week before the game, they were showing as sold out. Presumably they sold the initial tranche, then asked for more. Perhaps I missed it, but it would be good if they communicated on social media/email etc that more had gone on sale. Do think there is room for better communication here.

[Carrow89 166]

2 hours ago, Year of the tiger said:

As I said if clubs choose to make more than 2000 available to away teams that is up to them but the figure set by EFL is 10% or 2000 which ever is least. Just as in the Prem it’s 10% or 3000. When it came to the play offs last season all 4 sides limited the away allocation to 2000 despite having allowed more away fans in during the season.

Dont know if we were offered more for Derby but worth remebering we had 2000 for Coventry & sold less than 1600.

Tickets back on sale now

 

"34.2.1    Each Club must make provision for at least 2,000 visiting supporters at every home match or such number as represents 10% of the Club’s certified capacity, if less than 2,000. The League may, on the prior written application of a Club, suspend this Regulation or reduce the figure either for a particular League Match or for a period of time. 

34.2.2    Clubs are required to sell tickets for their away matches if required to do so by the Home Club and similarly Home Clubs are required to supply tickets for their Home Matches to the Away Club for sale by the Away Club to its supporters if so requested by the Away Club.  These tickets are to be made available on a sale or return basis and must be ordered by the Away Club at least five weeks before the League Match to which they relate.  The Home Club must deliver those tickets to the Away Club at the latest four weeks before the League Match to which they relate.  Where any match is arranged at shorter notice the above steps shall be taken as soon as is reasonably practicable.  Visiting Supporters should also have the same opportunity to take advantage of pre-booking discounts that apply to home supporters."

[GMF 1,006]

@Carrow89 those are the league regulations, but there’s no requirement for away clubs to take whatever the full allocation can be.

There has to be a degree of flexibility, and clubs often agree between themselves to sell blocks in phases, (sometimes there’s a security issue to deal with).

But they will also have a pre-agreed timeline to decide if the full allocation is going to be sold, as the home team will want a reasonable opportunity to sell them to their own supporters, if not.

Hope that this makes sense.

[essex canary 610]

2 hours ago, GMF said:

The T&C’s will take priority over the FAQ’s if it went legal.

I’m not defending anything, just trying to highlight the facts of the T&C’s. If that insight isn’t what you want to hear, so be it, but I don’t come here to have shade thrown at me. 

Such generalist clauses must be there to defend situations such as the pandemic rather than for ordinary application. Pity they don't use such clauses such as requirement to provide a duty of care to ALL fans where appropriate.

[Peregrine Shorts 517]

Club now saying it’s an error that we have sold out for Derby

[essex canary 610]

4 pieces of good news here.

1. 'Sold Out ' didn't actually mean Sold Out. 

2. No need to pay the Webber tax to go to Derby.

3. Relatively cheap tickets compared to Coventry and NCFC.

4. Hopefully like Coventry no risk of a pigeon **** shower.

[GMF 1,006]

23 minutes ago, essex canary said:

Such generalist clauses must be there to defend situations such as the pandemic rather than for ordinary application. Pity they don't use such clauses such as requirement to provide a duty of care to ALL fans where appropriate.

If they didn’t have any T&C’s at all, you’d be repeatedly emailing them about absolutely everything - oh, hang on!

Does this duty of care you keep on referring to actually have any legal substance behind it, or is this another one of your stick waving ventures? 

[essex canary 610]

22 minutes ago, GMF said:

If they didn’t have any T&C’s at all, you’d be repeatedly emailing them about absolutely everything - oh, hang on!

Does this duty of care you keep on referring to actually have any legal substance behind it, or is this another one of your stick waving ventures? 

The law is open to interpretation and access biased in favour of the rich and wealthy. All fans representatives should be following the lead of the Football Supporters Association and lambasting Clubs at every opportunity.

[Greavsy 2,637]

31 minutes ago, GMF said:

If they didn’t have any T&C’s at all, you’d be repeatedly emailing them about absolutely everything - oh, hang on!

Does this duty of care you keep on referring to actually have any legal substance behind it, or is this another one of your stick waving ventures? 

I'll say it again, block him, for your own good and everyone else's. 

He will soon realise he's shouting at clouds....(not sure that will stop him though!)

[GMF 1,006]

2 minutes ago, Greavsy said:

I'll say it again, block him, for your own good and everyone else's. 

He will soon realise he's shouting at clouds....(not sure that will stop him though!)

Apologies, I know it’s frustrating for some people who don’t want to see his musings.

Apparently, as a fan rep, I’m not doing my job properly by ignoring him, and, also not lambasting the Club at every opportunity….

BTW, he has no idea what communications I have directly with the Club, but it’s amusing, nevertheless to see him trying to second guess me.

[Feedthewolf 5,885]

1 hour ago, GMF said:

Apologies, I know it’s frustrating for some people who don’t want to see his musings.

Apparently, as a fan rep, I’m not doing my job properly by ignoring him, and, also not lambasting the Club at every opportunity….

BTW, he has no idea what communications I have directly with the Club, but it’s amusing, nevertheless to see him trying to second guess me.

Had the same thing when I was on the OSP. Just kept on and on sending me direct messages, never conceding an inch of ground or making any attempt to see things from my point of view, and then accusing me of not doing my (entirely voluntary) role properly when I finally told him I refused to entertain his tirades any longer. Honestly, it'd be so much better for everyone if you stopped giving him the oxygen he so desperately craves.

I've had to dramatically reduce the amount of time I spend on here for my own wellbeing's sake, and that is solely because of his one-man crusade to bring everyone down with his never-ending irrational negativity. It'd be so, so much better for this forum if people just stopped replying to him (and I know I've been guiltier than most of indulging him).