Lumping it at every opportunity says Thorup

[pete 368]

Norwich spent all afternoon lumping balls forward in the vain hope of creating something.  It happened too often for it not to have been the tactics endorsed by the new coach.  If it is the way the club is going that is playing non football, we are in for a poor season.  It did get a result today but Sheff Utd were disappointing and a better team would have exploited those tactics.  Perhaps they were surprised by the long ball approach which has never been the Norwich way until now. 

[Graham Paddons Beard 2,758]

Just now, pete said:

Norwich spent all afternoon lumping balls forward in the vain hope of creating something.  It happened too often for it not to have been the tactics endorsed by the new coach.  If it is the way the club is going that is playing non football, we are in for a poor season.  It did get a result today but Sheff Utd were disappointing and a better team would have exploited those tactics.  Perhaps they were surprised by the long ball approach which has never been the Norwich way until now. 

Two questions. 
were you there and did you see our goal?

[yellowrider120 908]

1 hour ago, Graham Paddons Beard said:

Two questions. 
were you there and did you see our goal?

Yes - the goal was from a quality move but (that apart) Pete is correct. First half particularly, the ball was regularly hoofed up towards no-one in particular. Unless we recruit some more attacking creativity into our squad, this is going to be a long hard slog of a campaign. 

[Well b back 3,599]

Looked at many posts from the usual suspects that were constantly moaning about us playing about at the back and said we should be getting it straight forward, which sounded a bit like lumping it forward.

 

[Hairy Canary 746]

Funny how people see things differently because that is absolutely nothing like my impression of the game. 
 

There were a few longer balls but they tended to be into wide spaces where we caught them out a few times. Certainly not lumping it aimlessly like it’s being suggested.

The other thing it brought us was some breathing space when they attacked to regroup and get back into shape. First time for ages I felt we had some defensive strength as a team. They never drove through us once in the second half.

The majority of the game, when we had possession, we probed and looked to make space by carrying the ball forward. Personally I was encouraged by the improvement we’ve made, game on game so far.

[Capt. Pants 4,974]

I thought there was less 'lumping' today then last week against Blackburn. A nice last 10 mins or so where we absolutely dominated possession - we haven't seen that since the Farke days!

I don't know but our wide players aren't exactly tearing up trees at the moment. Seldom did they get behind the defence to cross or pull the ball back to Sargent, it was all through the middle.

Dare I say we're missing a Jonny Rowe to get us up the pitch?

I just worry about where the goals are coming from if it isn't Sarge.

 

 

Edited August 24 by Capt. Pants

[Ian 1,204]

29 minutes ago, Hairy Canary said:

Funny how people see things differently because that is absolutely nothing like my impression of the game. 
 

There were a few longer balls but they tended to be into wide spaces where we caught them out a few times. Certainly not lumping it aimlessly like it’s being suggested.

Because people see and comment on what is convenient to their preconceived opinions, and ignore the rest.

It takes someone of a level of intelligence to actually try and take an unbiased view of a match.

[Graham Paddons Beard 2,758]

56 minutes ago, yellowrider120 said:

Yes - the goal was from a quality move but (that apart) Pete is correct. First half particularly, the ball was regularly hoofed up towards no-one in particular. Unless we recruit some more attacking creativity into our squad, this is going to be a long hard slog of a campaign. 

Pete isn’t correct. Especially in the 2nd half. 

[mastoola 203]

Even if correct its a breath of fresh air to watch us clear our lines under pressure.

[chicken 3,081]

52 minutes ago, Ian said:

Because people see and comment on what is convenient to their preconceived opinions, and ignore the rest.

It takes someone of a level of intelligence to actually try and take an unbiased view of a match.

But then get accused of being biased because it doesn't align with the previous, preconceived opinion. You can't win.

[Duncan Edwards 2,424]

Didn’t go today, Neyul, but that’s the worse I’ve sin us play since Hootun. Broken Norwich under the ‘muricans. 

[yellowrider120 908]

8 hours ago, mastoola said:

Even if correct its a breath of fresh air to watch us clear our lines under pressure.

Note that I specifically mentioned 'first half'! So we pretty much agree then?

[The Real Buh 3,757]

There is a lot of hoofing guys, admit it.

When is someone going to tap Kenny on the shoulder and say something?

Edited August 25 by The Real Buh

[KiwiScot 1,684]

Don't we have Barnes for hoofball? Plus at the moment to much hoofball sounds better than to much tippy tappy. Hopefully a happy medium comes along.

[dylanisabaddog 6,112]

11 hours ago, Capt. Pants said:

 

I just worry about where the goals are coming from if it isn't Sarge.

 

 

Sara and Rowe were directly involved in a huge number of our goals last season. We'd probably be on 9 points if they had both been playing. The players we've brought in may well have promise but quite simply they are nowhere near the standard of the 2 we've sold. If we sell Sargent as well it could end very badly indeed. 

Sorry to sound miserable! 

[Big Vince 422]

12 hours ago, dylanisabaddog said:

Sara and Rowe were directly involved in a huge number of our goals last season. We'd probably be on 9 points if they had both been playing. The players we've brought in may well have promise but quite simply they are nowhere near the standard of the 2 we've sold. If we sell Sargent as well it could end very badly indeed. 

Sorry to sound miserable! 

Most supporters seem in favour of us being a selling club. Why the disappointment?

[Duncan Edwards 2,424]

No wins. Players need time to bed in but we’re already miles off it. Top half at this point looks optimistic. No Delia, no disco. Or so it seems so far.

Be careful what you wish for. You were told time and time again. 

[Christoph Stiepermann 1,257]

Apart from a couple of clearances from defence when we needed to get the ball away we didn't just aimlessly hoof it once. We were trying to play a few balls over the top because they were holding a high line but the quality wasn't there most of the time which is why it looked that way. There's nothing wrong with that tactic, you can't just dogmatically always play short passes or teams will just pin you in by pressing you high. Watch Man City, Arsenal or Liverpool, they play plenty of longer passes it just comes off more for them because they have better players, when we try it we're obviously going to over hit a few. There's a big difference between hoofing it long every chance you get to try to win second balls and playing occasional long passes to stretch teams and give them something else to think about. If we only played it short all game fans would be moaning about us not being able to deal with a team pressing us, being too easy to play against and being penned in our own half most of the game.

Even though we're still just starting to find our feet playing this way so it's not clicking yet I much prefer this which is a possession based but still flexible style of play over a naïve and dogmatic possession at all costs style where we ignore the opposition and try to play like 2008 era Barcelona without the players to do it. 

Edited August 26 by Christoph Stiepermann

[hogesar 10,717]

I agree we've not got the balance right yet but we would be absolutely stupid not to go long sometimes when you have someone like Sargent up top. And it also means the opposition have to be ready for it so they can't just squeeze up the pitch knowing we won't be able to create anything. It didn't really work for us Saturday but the logic is there.

People may not like it but it's an important part of the game and it's a weapon for us, Wagner done the same.

[norfolkngood 1,172]

5 minutes ago, hogesar said:

I agree we've not got the balance right yet but we would be absolutely stupid not to go long sometimes when you have someone like Sargent up top. And it also means the opposition have to be ready for it so they can't just squeeze up the pitch knowing we won't be able to create anything. It didn't really work for us Saturday but the logic is there.

People may not like it but it's an important part of the game and it's a weapon for us, Wagner done the same.

Exactly Hog

you have to mix it up if they are pressing moving up a long past can catch them by surprise ,

just because a manager has a style does not mean we have to stick with that style for 90 mins every game  

[Badger 2,745]

3 minutes ago, norfolkngood said:

Exactly Hog

you have to mix it up if they are pressing moving up a long past can catch them by surprise ,

just because a manager has a style does not mean we have to stick with that style for 90 mins every game  

Agree with you and Hoggie, you have to try to exploit the high press with long balls occasionally, especially in the channels against taller, slower defenders: it gives the opposition another problem to think about.

Secondly, the number of "hoofs" is completely exaggerated by the OP. According to the data, after 3 games there are only 3 teams that have made fewer long passes than us (at about 12%).

(Leeds the lowest at 10% and Millwall highest at 22+%. I don't think that many of us will be surprised at this!)

[norfolkngood 1,172]

1 minute ago, Badger said:

Agree with you and Hoggie, you have to try to exploit the high press with long balls occasionally, especially in the channels against taller, slower defenders: it gives the opposition another problem to think about.

Secondly, the number of "hoofs" is completely exaggerated by the OP. According to the data, after 3 games there are only 3 teams that have made fewer long passes than us (at about 12%).

(Leeds the lowest at 10% and Millwall highest at 22+%. I don't think that many of us will be surprised at this!)

it can be very effective Especially if wide player has height advantage on fullback ,pulling CB out wide so a No10 can drift in the Space ,

in fact i prefer a long ball if strikers are making runs in behind Defenders ,

we are in the championship we have to win by any means really yes we all want Barcelona / Man city football to watch but if that is not working it is good to have something else in locker