Rowe saga quiet on that front

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Surprised more clubs not in the mix. Maybe closer to the deadline ?

[Soldier on 298]

To Marseille soon

https://x.com/JPercyTelegraph/status/1825818074265583717?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

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Change the x to twitter and repost as plain text to embed.

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Fabrizio Romano also reporting.

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10 minutes ago, TheGoogler said:

Fabrizio Romano also reporting.

We get 15 or so million and Rowe gets to play with his bessie mate Mason Greenwood.

Good deal for all?

Edited August 20, 2024 by cambridgeshire canary

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3 hours ago, Six Pack said:

when you have a good player been paid £3k a week and a real useless player paid £40k a week - there simply isn't any grey in there !

There is context in there which you seem to be unable to appreciate.

 

When Rowe’s contract was agreed, he was an academy player and I imagine £3K was the going rate. Who knows, it may even have been higher because we rated him. He has refused to sign a better contract because it will make it harder (I.e. more expensive) for other teams to buy him. When Gibson came to us on loan, he was a Premier League player on Premier League wages. We also badly need to improve our defence. What’s so hard to understand?

Edited August 20, 2024 by Nuff Said

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3 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

We get 15 or so million and Rowe gets to play with his bessie mate Mason Greenwood.

Good deal fro all?

We don’t get it now though. I guess we do save £3K a month. 🤨

[Monty13 2,796]

Only a couple of million to go. 

[Paul101 196]

24 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

We get 15 or so million and Rowe gets to play with his bessie mate Mason Greenwood.

Good deal for all?

maybe these loan deals tend to include a very hefty loan fee 

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36 minutes ago, TheGoogler said:

Change the x to twitter and repost as plain text to embed.

This has been bugging me! Wondered why I couldn't embed a tweet any more. Thanks

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13 hours ago, Parma Ham's gone mouldy said:

The chances of someone like Rowe, professional, diligent, sought after, career on the up, not signing a new contract, a clear saleable asset to the club, simply downing tools and throwing a strop is frankly highly unlikely.

Do not exclude the possibility of the club being fully aware of a club’s interest, encouraging it, being ‘disgusted’ with lowball offers, though equally recognising a deal will likely have to be done and so needing to exclude a player from risk of injury. This is all perfectly common. 

Club’s rarely present it this way. Often they load the **** onto the the player and his agent and say ‘you’ll have to take the fall for this’ and ‘the club trying to buy you are lowballing, they want you to indicate willingness to sign…we need more money…’ and so a soap opera of events is created. 

Assuming that one side is all to blame, acted massively unprofessionally, did it all spontaneously and unilaterally in the middle of the night is highly, highly unlikely. Even war has rules of engagement. 

Wow. This is quite the post. I get it and can see the sense in it. But equally it seems very unlikely to me in the age of social media that the 'real' story wouldn't get out. You really think this is all a stitch-up?

[shefcanary 3,081]

13 hours ago, Parma Ham's gone mouldy said:

Assuming that one side is all to blame, acted massively unprofessionally, did it all spontaneously and unilaterally in the middle of the night is highly, highly unlikely. Even war has rules of engagement. 

The club has a brand, an image and a supporter loyalty to protect at any cost. The player has to take the fall. 

Rowe, Idah and hundreds of others are all out of the same playbook. Italians don’t really believe in coincidence. 

Parma 

Thanks Parma, yes I really did want an answer, whatever the issues it posed.

My main concern wasn't with Rowe himself, but the impact on the young players around him. You are more ITK than me, but you say you recognise this type of scenario from elsewhere, that things behind the scenes are much more harmonious than I expected and younger players are not being delivered morale lowering bad vibes from the affair (the 6-1 10 man thrashing of WBA U21's seems to underline that).

I don't doubt that you have encountered such a Shakespearean plotline in your past travels. On balance I think however that it is a bit messier behind the scenes than you make out. For a couple of reasons.

One aspect that intrigued me was the image of Rowe returning to Norwich on his own whilst the team were getting badly beaten at the Kassam. Others suggested he drove but that would have meant hiring a car at very short notice. Given the relative closeness to London I would assume he caught a couple of trains / took a long taxi journey back to his relatives in the North London, thus negating the potential he was in disgrace. You seem to suggest this was all booked in advance and probably paid for by the club?

Also have the local press been played a false story in all this? Their indignation at the breaking news was strong and suggested a plotline a million miles from the one you have painted?

[TheBaldOne66 768]

According to Sky there is a deal almost done for Rowe to go to Marseille, initially on loan with an obligation to buy for 16 million euros! 
 

Seems a low figure but need to get shot of him quick in my opinion quickly 

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1 hour ago, shefcanary said:

Thanks Parma, yes I really did want an answer, whatever the issues it posed.

My main concern wasn't with Rowe himself, but the impact on the young players around him. You are more ITK than me, but you say you recognise this type of scenario from elsewhere, that things behind the scenes are much more harmonious than I expected and younger players are not being delivered morale lowering bad vibes from the affair (the 6-1 10 man thrashing of WBA U21's seems to underline that).

I don't doubt that you have encountered such a Shakespearean plotline in your past travels. On balance I think however that it is a bit messier behind the scenes than you make out. For a couple of reasons.

One aspect that intrigued me was the image of Rowe returning to Norwich on his own whilst the team were getting badly beaten at the Kassam. Others suggested he drove but that would have meant hiring a car at very short notice. Given the relative closeness to London I would assume he caught a couple of trains / took a long taxi journey back to his relatives in the North London, thus negating the potential he was in disgrace. You seem to suggest this was all booked in advance and probably paid for by the club?

Also have the local press been played a false story in all this? Their indignation at the breaking news was strong and suggested a plotline a million miles from the one you have painted?

I’ve seen this hundreds of times. It’s normal in football.it suits all parties. 

The Pink un are now paid-up useful idiots. You are confusing news with ‘truth’.. That suits all parties too. 

New young Manager who needs to assert authority.

Captain subbed after 60 minutes. 

New Sporting Director changing the culture. 

Plenty of players unsuitable to the desired new method. 

Some you can’t get out, some you need to buy. 

The money can only come from those who others want to buy. Some of whom you’d ideally like to keep. 

New American investors setting up an internal stakeholder player trading casino with possible juicy gains dangling to new investors.

Think of all of these things as ‘set pieces’ on the road to wider objectives (as the new plenipotentiaries see it). 

How might you go about achieving some of those things?

Work backwards. See the events in a wider light.

Parma

Edited August 20, 2024 by Parma Ham's gone mouldy

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1 hour ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

We get 15 or so million and Rowe gets to play with his bessie mate Mason Greenwood.

Good deal for all?

Those two make a right pair.

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3 minutes ago, ......and Smith must score. said:

Those two make a right pair.

Much as I was partly joking I do recall there being rumours that they are friends hence him wanting to join them which.. Yeah.. Not really much that needs to be said if that's true.

[Capt. Pants 5,152]

A bit over £13m which includes a season long loan fee doesn't seem enough to me. Clearly Marseille holding back a bit so they can offer ridiculous wages.

 

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1 hour ago, Parma Ham's gone mouldy said:

I’ve seen this hundreds of times. It’s normal in football.it suits all parties. 

The Pink un are now paid-up useful idiots. You are confusing news with ‘truth’.. That suits all parties too. 

New young Manager who needs to assert authority.

Captain subbed after 60 minutes. 

New Sporting Director changing the culture. 

Plenty of players unsuitable to the desired new method. 

Some you can’t get out, some you need to buy. 

The money can only come from those who others want to buy. Some of whom you’d ideally like to keep. 

New American investors setting up an internal stakeholder player trading casino with possible juicy gains dangling to new investors.

Think of all of these things as ‘set pieces’ on the road to wider objectives (as the new plenipotentiaries see it). 

How might you go about achieving some of those things?

Work backwards. See the events in a wider light.

Parma

@shefcanary just to add further to this in light of some of the comments above…

…let’s say we do ‘hold out’ for another £1.5m to add to the £13.5m and round it up to £15m.

You are an accountant. What does that extra £1.5m now represent?

It is pure Net Profit from where we are now. ‘Net, net, net’ as my Chairman likes to say. 

‘In the real world’ what might ‘normal’ companies do for £1.5m Net Profit? How much effort might they make? How much planning and strategic analysis? 

To football fans it’s ’just another couple of mill’…which is because the headline numbers are all so lurid, its resonance all gets lost in a sea of back page Sun headlines. 

But it isn’t. 

Now I ask the question again…what might you do for £1.5m extra Net Profit?

Equally who might you forgive, what might you overlook, who might you (surprisingly) team up with?

What might you tell the press? What public statements might you make or not make?

Parma 

Edited August 20, 2024 by Parma Ham's gone mouldy

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47 minutes ago, Parma Ham's gone mouldy said:

Now I ask the question again…what might you do for £1.5m extra Net Profit?

Equally who might you forgive, what might you overlook, who might you (surprisingly) team up with?

What might you tell the press? What public statements might you make or not make?

Parma 

I guess the additional £1.5m would add to the fees for both the player and the agent to have a good few nights out as well!

[yellow 63 29]

No loan please,just get shot, could go pear shaped if we sold and he had a stormer, but on the other hand poor season sent back,value drops and we won't have that cash in the bank,to spend or save.

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I think if a loan to buy deal is the best we can get, we have to go with that. Money now and the top-up in installments as well over 3 to 4 years.

We might face a scenario where he rips up the french league and then Marseille can make tidy profit but, if he is unhappy, get rid and move on. 

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2 hours ago, Parma Ham's gone mouldy said:

I’ve seen this hundreds of times. It’s normal in football.it suits all parties. 

The Pink un are now paid-up useful idiots. You are confusing news with ‘truth’.. That suits all parties too. 

New young Manager who needs to assert authority.

Captain subbed after 60 minutes. 

New Sporting Director changing the culture. 

Plenty of players unsuitable to the desired new method. 

Some you can’t get out, some you need to buy. 

The money can only come from those who others want to buy. Some of whom you’d ideally like to keep. 

New American investors setting up an internal stakeholder player trading casino with possible juicy gains dangling to new investors.

Think of all of these things as ‘set pieces’ on the road to wider objectives (as the new plenipotentiaries see it). 

How might you go about achieving some of those things?

Work backwards. See the events in a wider light.

Parma

Some slight echoes of Webber's stance on the player's role in the 'necessity' to sell Buendia to fund the disastrous Premiership rebuild.  That said, of the 'big three' Rowe was always the most expendable IMO going into this window so even before Oxford I'd have been happiest for him to go for the values bandied around thus far.

 

6 minutes ago, yellow 63 said:

No loan please,just get shot, could go pear shaped if we sold and he had a stormer, but on the other hand poor season sent back,value drops and we won't have that cash in the bank,to spend or save.

Isn't the issue more with their FFP situation - the obligation to buy may just be unconditional as others have suggested.

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2 hours ago, Parma Ham's gone mouldy said:

I’ve seen this hundreds of times. It’s normal in football.it suits all parties. 

The Pink un are now paid-up useful idiots. You are confusing news with ‘truth’.. That suits all parties too. 

New young Manager who needs to assert authority.

Captain subbed after 60 minutes. 

New Sporting Director changing the culture. 

Plenty of players unsuitable to the desired new method. 

Some you can’t get out, some you need to buy. 

The money can only come from those who others want to buy. Some of whom you’d ideally like to keep. 

New American investors setting up an internal stakeholder player trading casino with possible juicy gains dangling to new investors.

Think of all of these things as ‘set pieces’ on the road to wider objectives (as the new plenipotentiaries see it). 

How might you go about achieving some of those things?

Work backwards. See the events in a wider light.

Parma

i can see the logic behind this (no coincidence Machiavelli was an Italian eh Parma? 🙂) I just wonder what the aftermath will be, the fallout?

Will it be that Rowe simply disappears to parts foreign, never to be seen round these parts again, his name reviled for generation unto generation? Perhaps he has the personality to do that. I don't think I have.

Or would there be some way the club could enable some sort of rapprochement, some sort of conciliatory statement that enables everyone to come out smelling fragrant, rather than leaving poor old Johnny covered in faeces?

It's going to be interesting.

Edited August 20, 2024 by ron obvious

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3 hours ago, ron obvious said:

i can see the logic behind this (no coincidence Machiavelli was an Italian eh Parma? 🙂) I just wonder what the aftermath will be, the fallout?

Will it be that Rowe simply disappears to parts foreign, never to be seen round these parts again, his name reviled for generation unto generation? Perhaps he has the personality to do that. I don't think I have.

Or would there be some way the club could enable some sort of rapprochement, some sort of conciliatory statement that enables everyone to come out smelling fragrant, rather than leaving poor old Johnny covered in faeces?

It's going to be interesting.

If the aftermath is Rowe going to Marseille you won’t need to ‘wonder’ at all. 

If they persuaded a young, naive, impressionable, unprofessional Rowe to commit the ‘ultimate sin’ of ‘refusing to play’ then why trust them? Why trust Rowe? Why reward their actions? Why forgive so readily?

15 million guesses anyone?

Parma 

nota bene: might it be that if there wasn’t a new regime, a need to establish authority, a need to define new ways, to bring in new players, to introduce youth….that they might just have lied differently - like normal football clubs - and just said he was ‘injured’…?

 

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3 minutes ago, Parma Ham's gone mouldy said:

If the aftermath is Rowe going to Marseille you won’t need to ‘wonder’ at all. 

If they persuaded a young, naive, impressionable, unprofessional Rowe to commit the ‘ultimate sin’ of ‘refusing to play’ then why trust them? Why trust Rowe? Why reward their actions? Why forgive so readily?

15 million guesses anyone?

Parma 

nota bene: might it be that if there wasn’t a new regime, a need to establish authority, a need to define new ways, to bring in new players, to introduce youth….that they might just have lied differently - like normal football clubs - and just said he was ‘injured’…?

 

So ... if Rowe gives an interview verifying the version of events described by yourself (i.e. spills the beans) citing youth & naivety as his excuse & how he was told this was the only way he could get a move, then do you think NCFC would be happy with that?

Or could they have some sort of non-disclosure clause in Rowe's contract?

It's all getting very murky.

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34 minutes ago, ron obvious said:

So ... if Rowe gives an interview verifying the version of events described by yourself (i.e. spills the beans) citing youth & naivety as his excuse & how he was told this was the only way he could get a move, then do you think NCFC would be happy with that?

Or could they have some sort of non-disclosure clause in Rowe's contract?

It's all getting very murky.

You’re such a sweet lot. In the end everyone gets what they want, so what is there to spill? 

Do you think the Marseille local press or forums mirror the narrative from this side of la manche?

Btw, Marseille could just have easily have been used by all as a stalking horse to get Leeds to part with some (more) of their new-found cash…

…or they could be using their public ‘interest’ in Rowe to depress the price on another deal they’d been keeping as quiet as they could…

’Sell noisy, buy quiet’ might be a good football bumper sticker….along with ‘the player carries the can’ (or ideally the ‘evil agents’) 

Follow the interests, not the noise. 
 

Parma 

 

Edited August 20, 2024 by Parma Ham's gone mouldy

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Marseille have had an loan offer for maupay turned down by Everton. Perhaps they've moved on to other options?

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8 hours ago, TheBaldOne66 said:

According to Sky there is a deal almost done for Rowe to go to Marseille, initially on loan with an obligation to buy for 16 million euros! 
 

Seems a low figure but need to get shot of him quick in my opinion quickly 

Low?  Jesus, the guy has been injured more often than fit for two seasons and is coming to the end of the time that we’ll command a decent fee. If we were in for him as a possible new signing I’m not sure many would be keen.  It is a risk for anyone to take him on, but obviously if he can remain injury fee he’s a great prospect.  

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2 hours ago, Parma Ham's gone mouldy said:

If the aftermath is Rowe going to Marseille you won’t need to ‘wonder’ at all. 

If they persuaded a young, naive, impressionable, unprofessional Rowe to commit the ‘ultimate sin’ of ‘refusing to play’ then why trust them? Why trust Rowe? Why reward their actions? Why forgive so readily?

15 million guesses anyone?

Parma 

nota bene: might it be that if there wasn’t a new regime, a need to establish authority, a need to define new ways, to bring in new players, to introduce youth….that they might just have lied differently - like normal football clubs - and just said he was ‘injured’…?

 

Mind you the club would need to.......'have the scans to prove it'!!t 

[sgncfc 1,345]

Anything over £10m for Rowe is a fantastic result. £15m is just incredible. As Branston says, he hasn't completed a full season yet - until the start of last year there was barely a Norwich fan who rated him above Kamara. He played well for a couple of dozen games, realised quickly that he wasn't going to sign an extension and has been playing these cards for almost a year. If there hadn't been a plan, he would have signed up like Aboh did - the fact that he didn't means he was always going to move on this summer.

We knew that Rowe and Sara would move - and it looks like we're banking £35m. I think we're all a bit stunned that we managed to con Celtic out of £9.5m and if we can do a similar-ish £5m or so deal with Hull (Hull? Why would anyone want to play for Hull?) for Kamara it will be an astounding window. £50m odd brought in for 4 players and so far about £16m out (if the new guy completes) for 4 players. There's the model right there - and we still have Saintz and Sargent, with the next two or three jewels being polished.