Whatever Happened ?

[yellow hammer 88]

On 01/08/2024 at 16:29, cornish sam said:

Who won the bout because the Italian fighter didn't feel she continue after taking a blow to the nose, only khelif's fifth stoppage since 2017, isn't known as a powerful hitter, multiple of her previous opponents (including this one) have issued supporting statements/comments about her competing and the ioc have specifically come out and said that it wasn't a transgender issue.

It does seem as though it is as @Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man opines, more of a caster semenya issue. Also worth noting is that the iab who disqualified her from the world championship for failing an unspecified gender test are russian led and are so scrupulous that the ioc wouldnt let them be in charge of the olympic competition and are administering it themselves....

 

It's all everybody else's fault, isn't it sam?

[Naturalcynic 817]

1 minute ago, yellow hammer said:

It's all everybody else's fault, isn't it sam?

With this sort of thing, and the whole gender controversy, I’m always reminded of the wise words of Mr Spock from Star Trek:

”The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few”.

[yellow hammer 88]

23 hours ago, essex canary said:

Do you still want roads, street lighting, environmental cleaning, cancer treatments, schools?

Could we not at least throw out every DEI employ in the public sector? Save ourselves a fortune.

[Naturalcynic 817]

5 minutes ago, yellow hammer said:

Could we not at least throw out every DEI employ in the public sector? Save ourselves a fortune.

I genuinely don’t think anyone would miss them if they were gone.

[cornish sam 1,012]

50 minutes ago, yellow hammer said:

It's all everybody else's fault, isn't it sam?

I don't follow...

The individual in question is and always has been female. She has passed any and all requirements placed on her by the IOC and yet she was being called out for formerly being a man on here, I was merely pointing out that she wasn't and questioning the validity of the basis for disqualification by the iab, which the IOC also has done...

[Aggy 929]

 

7 hours ago, Naturalcynic said:

I suppose one man’s racism and xenophobia are another man’s legitimate concerns that are being deliberately shouted down and denied by the chattering classes.

The chattering classes - being people who disagree with you? You really are a softy little snowflake aren’t you. 

[chicken 2,973]

12 hours ago, Naturalcynic said:

In your opinion.  I’m sure they’d say otherwise.

Of course they would, they wouldn't like you to see behind the curtain. But look at the players behind the party.

These are not your 'average' people. They are all wealthy, from affluant areas who are used to getting what they want. And when they don't? They complain.

Worth noting something else though too. Ukip snd Farage were but a footnote for well over a decade. They were a laughing stock largely only given time when they could be laughed at.

Ukip started in the early 1990's. It wasn't until around the mid to late 00's that they found much political footing really. Why?

What demographic was voting for them?

2004 was the 60th anniversary of D-Day. I was in Normandy, talking with the surviving veterans, watching their exchanges with the French and US veterans amongst other nationalities.

These were thr generation who had voted for closer ties to Europe in the 1970's. Who'd fought for freedom across Europe, and to some, who'd believed they'd partially failed with that with the USSR still occupying half of it.

In 2004, to have been a youn veteran of D-Day, they would have been 78-79.

Rather than being the proponants of Ukip, they'd not support populism. I don't think it's any coincidence that as their generation passed on, the generation that proportionally voted not to have closer ties in the 1970's took the reigns.

A generation not educated by the difficulties abd challenges of interwar life. Life not compounded by the impacts of WW1 or having to live through WW2. No experience of a UK pre NHS, pre more modern system of public services. Where public vaccinations have made many deseases rare rather than common etc. No experiences of substandard slum housing still hanging around from Dickensian times, cleared after WW2 ended.

Sure, it is 'my' opinion. But it's an informed one. Informed by knowledge, experience, talking to my grandparents generation and listening to what they said and why. It's also informed by aspects of my training to spot/see and recognise indicators of manipulation and abuse, and to understand my own influence (social graaaces, look it up).

The world should be humbling more often than not. Those who are humbled less, in my view, haven't/don't/refuse to see the world. 

Edited August 3 by chicken

[chicken 2,973]

10 hours ago, Naturalcynic said:

I genuinely don’t think anyone would miss them if they were gone.

I work for the local authority for 17+ yrs, I've never met one, that's how numerous they are. We are more informed by HR, the Equality Act 2010, the UN charter for human rights and employment law.

[Fen Canary 1,289]

43 minutes ago, chicken said:

Of course they would, they wouldn't like you to see behind the curtain. But look at the players behind the party.

These are not your 'average' people. They are all wealthy, from affluant areas who are used to getting what they want. And when they don't? They complain.

Worth noting something else though too. Ukip snd Farage were but a footnote for well over a decade. They were a laughing stock largely only given time when they could be laughed at.

Ukip started in the early 1990's. It wasn't until around the mid to late 00's that they found much political footing really. Why?

What demographic was voting for them?

2004 was the 60th anniversary of D-Day. I was in Normandy, talking with the surviving veterans, watching their exchanges with the French and US veterans amongst other nationalities.

These were thr generation who had voted for closer ties to Europe in the 1970's. Who'd fought for freedom across Europe, and to some, who'd believed they'd partially failed with that with the USSR still occupying half of it.

In 2004, to have been a youn veteran of D-Day, they would have been 78-79.

Rather than being the proponants of Ukip, they'd not support populism. I don't think it's any coincidence that as their generation passed on, the generation that proportionally voted not to have closer ties in the 1970's took the reigns.

A generation not educated by the difficulties abd challenges of interwar life. Life not compounded by the impacts of WW1 or having to live through WW2. No experience of a UK pre NHS, pre more modern system of public services. Where public vaccinations have made many deseases rare rather than common etc. No experiences of substandard slum housing still hanging around from Dickensian times, cleared after WW2 ended.

Sure, it is 'my' opinion. But it's an informed one. Informed by knowledge, experience, talking to my grandparents generation and listening to what they said and why. It's also informed by aspects of my training to spot/see and recognise indicators of manipulation and abuse, and to understand my own influence (social graaaces, look it up).

The world should be humbling more often than not. Those who are humbled less, in my view, haven't/don't/refuse to see the world. 

UKIP started gaining support around 20 years ago as you say, but you’ve missed out the main reason for that happening. The mid 00’s was when the Eastern bloc joined the EU, and immigration from those countries started to ramp up, hence the growing support for UKIP around that time 

[wcorkcanary 4,570]

22 hours ago, Badger said:

So sorry to hear of your loss. I wish I had some comforting words, but I can't think of any that would even go near. I believe you quite a big family...

Thanks Badgero,  although I thought it would never happen , slowly but surely , the healing is happening.  We'd been friends  since we were 5 , grew up across the road from each other, lived separate  lives until we got it together  when we were 24 and never looked back. You're correct , I do have a large family , I am no 6 of 7 children , have 2 of my own and 3 grandchildren. Greatest joy this week? ....a postcard from my granddaughter, 11,  on her first trip away with an auntie . Can't  say that the last 4 years haven't been tricky. ...but the kindness of friends...and strangers , has helped immensely.  

[chicken 2,973]

3 hours ago, Fen Canary said:

UKIP started gaining support around 20 years ago as you say, but you’ve missed out the main reason for that happening. The mid 00’s was when the Eastern bloc joined the EU, and immigration from those countries started to ramp up, hence the growing support for UKIP around that time 

And I quote my late grandmother on the Polish particularly "I feel sorry for those sods, we went to war promising to free them, we didn't. They remained occupied until the fall of the Berlin wall."

Again, net contributors. But lets all wave fists to the sky and shout angrily. I've worked with Polish, Hungarian, Latvian, Lithuanian and Romanian colleagues in various lines of work. They are some of the hardest working people I have had the pleasure to work alongside.

It still doesn't explain why Ukip became 'more popular' with a certain age demographic. I say more popular, that's sort of untrue. As pointed out, the war generation had largely been conservative voting in the 80's and 90's.

Losing them and largely their support for a moderate conservatism allowed the anti-EU lobby to come back in again and appeal to those who voted against closer ties in the 70's. Worth noting, they're the same people who argued referendums should be once in a lifetime... but got two shots at it.

[Fen Canary 1,289]

13 minutes ago, chicken said:

And I quote my late grandmother on the Polish particularly "I feel sorry for those sods, we went to war promising to free them, we didn't. They remained occupied until the fall of the Berlin wall."

Again, net contributors. But lets all wave fists to the sky and shout angrily. I've worked with Polish, Hungarian, Latvian, Lithuanian and Romanian colleagues in various lines of work. They are some of the hardest working people I have had the pleasure to work alongside.

It still doesn't explain why Ukip became 'more popular' with a certain age demographic. I say more popular, that's sort of untrue. As pointed out, the war generation had largely been conservative voting in the 80's and 90's.

Losing them and largely their support for a moderate conservatism allowed the anti-EU lobby to come back in again and appeal to those who voted against closer ties in the 70's. Worth noting, they're the same people who argued referendums should be once in a lifetime... but got two shots at it.

I’m really not sure what the Soviet Unions treatment of the Polish has to do with anything. Are you suggesting Britain was strong enough after 6 years of war to liberate it?

The work ethic of various nationalities is also irrelevant. I’ve worked with Eastern Europeans and some are good and some are bone idle, just like any other nationality. However just because they may be net contributors doesn’t mean that society is improved by importing them in large numbers, especially if it puts pressure on wages, rents and house prices.

The rest of your opinion I don’t really agree with. You seem to be implying that certain age demographics votes are somehow less relevant than others because they’ve voted on a way you disagree with 

[chicken 2,973]

14 hours ago, Fen Canary said:

I’m really not sure what the Soviet Unions treatment of the Polish has to do with anything. Are you suggesting Britain was strong enough after 6 years of war to liberate it?

The work ethic of various nationalities is also irrelevant. I’ve worked with Eastern Europeans and some are good and some are bone idle, just like any other nationality. However just because they may be net contributors doesn’t mean that society is improved by importing them in large numbers, especially if it puts pressure on wages, rents and house prices.

The rest of your opinion I don’t really agree with. You seem to be implying that certain age demographics votes are somehow less relevant than others because they’ve voted on a way you disagree with 

Literally none of what you've said makes sense or is relevent.

Net contributors means that our country is wealthier for their imput. Some were seasonal workers - see Norfolk farming - something farmers have struggled to source from the local uk populace.

Re age demographics, there is a direct correlation between those that voted against closer ties to Europe in the 1970's referendum and those who voted the same way in 2016 and again with the age demographic that give the largest support to Ukip/Reform. It is 100% undeniably relevent.

My comment about Eastern Europe is that it's a red herring. It's just another of those throw away soundbites. It didn't change any exhisting opinions.

Edited August 4 by chicken