Stabbings at a daycare in Southport

[Naturalcynic 817]

8 minutes ago, cornish sam said:

Why do people here keep comparing the policing of this to the policing of the hare hills riots? Hare hills riots were caused by white British people fighting the social services trying to remove a child from an unsafe environment, this was racially motivated far right stoked rioting being orchestrated by agitator groups. They are a very different kind of thing. And all of the comments about the support of Palestine being anti Semitic, it simply isn't. To object to the foreign policy of the Jewish state is not to protest to Jewishness, the Israeli state is currently led by a right wing nationalist cabal who are stoking aggression and unrest in the region to try and justify their expansionist aims and essentially racist views whilst committing untold atrocities not just against the Palestinians but now also against the Lebanese.

 

Are you sure?  I thought it Harehills was a diverse area with over 40% of its residents having been born outside the UK and the riots following the attempts of social services to take children of a Romanian family into protection.  As for the rest of your comment regarding the motivations of pro-Palestinian protesters, that’s just your opinion.

[sonyc 6,059]

26 minutes ago, Naturalcynic said:

Understanding each other is a two-way process.  Despite your protestations that you’re merely trying to appreciate why many have profound concerns, your continued probing suggests strongly that you know very well the reasons why but clearly your views differ (which is fair enough).  

That statement is just shutting me down. And your previous post was like a telling off by a teacher. 

My questions are absolutely genuine. You've not replied to any of my questions and you're clearly not going to? Apart from saying I should know.

I'm asking to understand why it's such a big issue, how those feelings arise, what makes someone decide to join a riot because they're so angered by immigration. What is in their psyche.

I will seek my answers online and from other folk. I do NOT know the reasons. Saying my "views differ" is simply a closing down. You've no idea what I think because I don't know fully myself! If you can't discern when someone is being genuine then there's nothing more to say is there? Just leave it there perhaps. There is no trust even to ask the questions it seems 

I will leave it that I'm sorry too if I've been asking questions that are too close for comfort. My post was trying to understand your position so I could debate it. No problem if you'd rather not reply. It was a polite request I believe and there was no trap involved. You ought to know by my posting history and style, but perhaps, it appears not.

Maybe other posters can respond to my questions above? A call out really. Don't mind what people say but just trying to work out where the fear comes from of immigrants. What's the source of that deep worry.

[Fen Canary 1,362]

26 minutes ago, sonyc said:

Thanks for a reasonable reply. I get that consistent policing is a key issue. Has trust in our society deteriorated? Have communities become less cohesive? Have you any sources for that? I would be interested to read if attitudes, crime levels etc have changed.

I want to know just why immigration is such a massive issue for some, above most other considerations. I should not have bothered to ask I guess. I wanted to try and understand the psyche of the rioter too. What makes a person do that?  The bloke last night on Newsnight was interesting (ex NF). He has changed his views and I think there is a lot to learn. 

I guess it's such a sensitive subject that I should just leave it alone because there is such a level of distrust. People are clearly scared so they cannot even exchange posts on a football forum. Unless it's to make insults of course (not to me but insults between others is a regular feature). And finally, one just gets the sense one ought to stay away from the subject. Too thorny. But why should we not actually try and understand one another?  Oh well.

I think communities have become less cohesive, you just have to look at Harehills whereby a large majority could barely speak the language to see that will lead to a very fractured society, and I think this ties in with peoples concerns over immigration.

For some it’s financial reasons (as I’ve said on here in the past about my experiences of lads being ripped off in the building trade) or the pressure it puts on public services such as their children’s education suffering due to the teacher trying to teach lots of children who don’t have English as a first language. For others it’s cohesion, or watching their hometowns changing beyond recognition due to an influx of people from abroad despite them never being asked to vote on whether they wanted this to happen.

I’ve worked on big sites where I’m the only English speaker (except the foreman and project manager) and it can be quite an alienating experience, having nobody to talk to all day while everybody else is chatting away in languages you can’t comprehend. I can only imagine seeing that happen in your home town (think the Red Lion in Thetford, various pubs/shops in Wisbech or even my Grandad moving from the Midlands years ago and him being the last English family on their street) would harden your views and make it a major issue.

I think the riots currently are a few lads looking for an excuse, but I also feel there is an undercurrent of anger that is bubbling away, which again goes back to people feeling ignored. We’re seeing it in Ireland with the violence and burning down of immigration centres, on the continent with various fringe parties gaining power so it’s not an issue confined to Britain, despite many on here wanting to portray their fellow countrymen as backward racists compared to their enlightened peers overseas. How this plays out I’ve no idea, but seeing Starmer on telly threatening harsh retribution for one set of rioters while seemingly ignoring another will do nothing to help the perception of some groups receiving more favourable treatment than others.

[sonyc 6,059]

39 minutes ago, Foxy2600 said:

As it’s my birthday I’m a little Stella’d up …

Chichester Wetherspoons after a gruelling day at Goodwood 

Thanks, I think 🐴 🍺 🙂🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

Then, happy birthday!

[Naturalcynic 817]

42 minutes ago, Foxy2600 said:

As it’s my birthday I’m a little Stella’d up …

Chichester Wetherspoons after a gruelling day at Goodwood 

Thanks, I think 🐴 🍺 🙂🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

Careful.  I thought Stella was the libation of choice for racists and xenophobes, not to mention Wetherspoons.

Edited August 2 by Naturalcynic

[Foxy2600 351]

5 minutes ago, Naturalcynic said:

Careful.  I thought Stella was the libation of choice for racists and xenophobes, not to mention Wetherspoons.

Well, it what it is. Wifebeater apparently (in the old days) 

Not seen her Foxship in about 2 hours. 

[Foxy2600 351]

Just now, Foxy2600 said:

Well, it what it is. Wifebeater apparently (in the old days) 

Not seen her Foxship in about 2 hours. 

Goes by the handle of Madame Reynard 🦊 

[sonyc 6,059]

3 minutes ago, Fen Canary said:

I think communities have become less cohesive, you just have to look at Harehills whereby a large majority could barely speak the language to see that will lead to a very fractured society, and I think this ties in with peoples concerns over immigration.

For some it’s financial reasons (as I’ve said on here in the past about my experiences of lads being ripped off in the building trade) or the pressure it puts on public services such as their children’s education suffering due to the teacher trying to teach lots of children who don’t have English as a first language. For others it’s cohesion, or watching their hometowns changing beyond recognition due to an influx of people from abroad despite them never being asked to vote on whether they wanted this to happen.

I’ve worked on big sites where I’m the only English speaker (except the foreman and project manager) and it can be quite an alienating experience, having nobody to talk to all day while everybody else is chatting away in languages you can’t comprehend. I can only imagine seeing that happen in your home town (think the Red Lion in Thetford, various pubs/shops in Wisbech or even my Grandad moving from the Midlands years ago and him being the last English family on their street) would harden your views and make it a major issue.

I think the riots currently are a few lads looking for an excuse, but I also feel there is an undercurrent of anger that is bubbling away, which again goes back to people feeling ignored. We’re seeing it in Ireland with the violence and burning down of immigration centres, on the continent with various fringe parties gaining power so it’s not an issue confined to Britain, despite many on here wanting to portray their fellow countrymen as backward racists compared to their enlightened peers overseas. How this plays out I’ve no idea, but seeing Starmer on telly threatening harsh retribution for one set of rioters while seemingly ignoring another will do nothing to help the perception of some groups receiving more favourable treatment than others.

Thanks for at least making some points. Will give the subject a long think over the weekend and do some reading. It's been a good while since I seriously researched and perhaps I've been too lazy reading views here. And I've made a mistake in asking questions I sense. 

Jobs threat is clearly one fear. Though I'm unsure how much it's an issue. As is the lack of language skills and failures to attempt to integrate. I could see that resentment would follow (as it has in my part of the world in some communities and neighbourhoods). I wonder if the main source of fear is economic? Or linked to crime rates? And is it really about colour? 

We are all immigrants somewhere back in time are we not? Or mostly, that's the case. Migration is nearly always economic isn't it? And the UK has become so multi cultural in the last 20 years especially, a trend that will strengthen not decrease do you reckon? What is it about our culture that is under such a threat? For me, other cultures add something (food especially) different but I love many things about being English....the famed tolerance and 'fair play' (which some French friends tell me about). Our humour too. I don't feel a threat now though but I did when living in the Bradford riot area in the early 90s. Couldn't wait to get away. It was a nasty atmosphere and as a young English lad I definitely felt a threat. Not a place to bring up children. So then we're back to economics. I had the means and the desire to get away. Some people don't. Perhaps, those people become embittered and angry enough to riot? Is it about life chances? Or upbringing or education? The ability to think independently and not being carried by the herd. I'm thinking now of my sons and their experiences as young blokes. 

I'm bored with TV and came here to ask some really basic questions. I must apologise Fen. I ought not have done. 

[cornish sam 1,022]

1 hour ago, Naturalcynic said:

Are you sure?  I thought it Harehills was a diverse area with over 40% of its residents having been born outside the UK and the riots following the attempts of social services to take children of a Romanian family into protection.  As for the rest of your comment regarding the motivations of pro-Palestinian protesters, that’s just your opinion.

Sorry, you are almost right, they were Roma, not Romanian....but the point about them being a spontaneous response to an immediate situation rather than organised right wing, fundamentally racist riots based on lies spread online still stands.

As for the pro-palestinian protests, it's not just my opinion, it is a lot of people's opinion.

[Well b back 3,570]

Your boys ( encouraged by Farage ) are doing well tonight Cynic, a couple of ambulance workers beaten, you must be having great fun.

 

[Well b back 3,570]

Crowds chanting Robinson’s and Farage’s name ! 
Like I have said before, if you can lock up organisers of protests against oil who do it unviolently ( they went to far ) why can’t you lock these 2 idiots up.

 

[Fen Canary 1,362]

1 minute ago, Well b back said:

Crowds chanting Robinson’s and Farage’s name ! 
Like I have said before, if you can lock up organisers of protests against oil who do it unviolently ( they went to far ) why can’t you lock these 2 idiots up.

 

Maybe because they didn’t organise it? 

[PurpleCanary 6,196]

42 minutes ago, sonyc said:

Thanks for at least making some points. Will give the subject a long think over the weekend and do some reading. It's been a good while since I seriously researched and perhaps I've been too lazy reading views here. And I've made a mistake in asking questions I sense. 

Jobs threat is clearly one fear. Though I'm unsure how much it's an issue. As is the lack of language skills and failures to attempt to integrate. I could see that resentment would follow (as it has in my part of the world in some communities and neighbourhoods). I wonder if the main source of fear is economic? Or linked to crime rates? And is it really about colour? 

We are all immigrants somewhere back in time are we not? Or mostly, that's the case. Migration is nearly always economic isn't it? And the UK has become so multi cultural in the last 20 years especially, a trend that will strengthen not decrease do you reckon? What is it about our culture that is under such a threat? For me, other cultures add something (food especially) different but I love many things about being English....the famed tolerance and 'fair play' (which some French friends tell me about). Our humour too. I don't feel a threat now though but I did when living in the Bradford riot area in the early 90s. Couldn't wait to get away. It was a nasty atmosphere and as a young English lad I definitely felt a threat. Not a place to bring up children. So then we're back to economics. I had the means and the desire to get away. Some people don't. Perhaps, those people become embittered and angry enough to riot? Is it about life chances? Or upbringing or education? The ability to think independently and not being carried by the herd. I'm thinking now of my sons and their experiences as young blokes. 

I'm bored with TV and came here to ask some really basic questions. I must apologise Fen. I ought not have done. 

Sonyc, this starts at a tangent but might answer your questions to an extent. Someone once said “Happy is the country that has no history.” The problem with Great Britain, using the name deliberately, is that it has almost too much history.

The travel writer Jan Morris did a piece about London for Rolling Stone, years ago, saying that while it might not be the most beautiful great city (it is not) as “a historical phenomenon” it beat all the others. And much could be said for the rest of these islands.

Other countries have a proud history, to be sure. Persian once ruled much of the known world. Later on so did what became Italy. Later on still what is now Mongolia. In the Middle Ages Spain was dominant. Even Sweden had a considerable empire for a while.

None of these countries now thinks it should still have that former glory. But with Great Britain it is much more recent. It is only a bit more than 100 years ago that Great Britain was seen as the world power, with a sun-never-setting empire of “lesser races”. And then there was world war two, with its solo Churchillian stoicism.

And hardly a family uninvolved. My mother and father served, his brother served, all my uncles served. My mother’s sister served and was killed when a returning-home Fokke Wulf 109 dropped its bomb on a Great Yarmouth services hostel.

But truthfully it was a last gasp, which helped to perpetuate for some a dangerous illusion. The obvious destiny for Great Britain was to accept it was a middle-ranking power, with its empire gone, co-operating with others.

But if you really do think Great Britain should still be Great (“The clue is in the name, for ….’s sake.”) and are disaffected generally, and particularly if you see those “lesser races” around you, as a symbol of what you regard as national decline, then you are likely to be angry, and quite angry enough to be violent.

[Well b back 3,570]

1 minute ago, Fen Canary said:

Maybe because they didn’t organise it? 

The facts are there, not heard about Robinson tweets yesterday ? Or Farage stating you have seen nothing yet ? Or have you looked at where the unrest is happening ? In Reform areas aren’t they ?

One quick question, why are your boys not coming to places like Birmingham where people are ready to defend the mosques ? Are they to scared ?. 

[Well b back 3,570]

1 hour ago, sonyc said:

Thanks for at least making some points. Will give the subject a long think over the weekend and do some reading. It's been a good while since I seriously researched and perhaps I've been too lazy reading views here. And I've made a mistake in asking questions I sense. 

Jobs threat is clearly one fear. Though I'm unsure how much it's an issue. As is the lack of language skills and failures to attempt to integrate. I could see that resentment would follow (as it has in my part of the world in some communities and neighbourhoods). I wonder if the main source of fear is economic? Or linked to crime rates? And is it really about colour? 

We are all immigrants somewhere back in time are we not? Or mostly, that's the case. Migration is nearly always economic isn't it? And the UK has become so multi cultural in the last 20 years especially, a trend that will strengthen not decrease do you reckon? What is it about our culture that is under such a threat? For me, other cultures add something (food especially) different but I love many things about being English....the famed tolerance and 'fair play' (which some French friends tell me about). Our humour too. I don't feel a threat now though but I did when living in the Bradford riot area in the early 90s. Couldn't wait to get away. It was a nasty atmosphere and as a young English lad I definitely felt a threat. Not a place to bring up children. So then we're back to economics. I had the means and the desire to get away. Some people don't. Perhaps, those people become embittered and angry enough to riot? Is it about life chances? Or upbringing or education? The ability to think independently and not being carried by the herd. I'm thinking now of my sons and their experiences as young blokes. 

I'm bored with TV and came here to ask some really basic questions. I must apologise Fen. I ought not have done. 

Hi Sonyc

Just to give you a leg up, if you check Wiki there is a really good page quoting every terrorist action since the 70’s. It puts it into perspective and lists every event. You will find most killings are via the Irish troubles, and even now those troubles are a major contributor. 
Not sure what it’s like where you are at the moment ? But I fear this will escalate soon as the guys being attacked will rise up to defend themselves, which of course will play into the hands of these idiots who will be saying the immigrants are attacking us, but in reality it will be Britain against Britain.

[Fen Canary 1,362]

1 hour ago, sonyc said:

Thanks for at least making some points. Will give the subject a long think over the weekend and do some reading. It's been a good while since I seriously researched and perhaps I've been too lazy reading views here. And I've made a mistake in asking questions I sense. 

Jobs threat is clearly one fear. Though I'm unsure how much it's an issue. As is the lack of language skills and failures to attempt to integrate. I could see that resentment would follow (as it has in my part of the world in some communities and neighbourhoods). I wonder if the main source of fear is economic? Or linked to crime rates? And is it really about colour? 

We are all immigrants somewhere back in time are we not? Or mostly, that's the case. Migration is nearly always economic isn't it? And the UK has become so multi cultural in the last 20 years especially, a trend that will strengthen not decrease do you reckon? What is it about our culture that is under such a threat? For me, other cultures add something (food especially) different but I love many things about being English....the famed tolerance and 'fair play' (which some French friends tell me about). Our humour too. I don't feel a threat now though but I did when living in the Bradford riot area in the early 90s. Couldn't wait to get away. It was a nasty atmosphere and as a young English lad I definitely felt a threat. Not a place to bring up children. So then we're back to economics. I had the means and the desire to get away. Some people don't. Perhaps, those people become embittered and angry enough to riot? Is it about life chances? Or upbringing or education? The ability to think independently and not being carried by the herd. I'm thinking now of my sons and their experiences as young blokes. 

I'm bored with TV and came here to ask some really basic questions. I must apologise Fen. I ought not have done. 

We’re all products of our environment. You had the means to escape so immigration was relegated down your list of priorities (I’m assuming your job is one which hasn’t been adversely affected). If you were still stuck there for financial or family reasons your views may well be different and the issue may assume much greater importance.

We’re all guilty of living in a bubble. The reason leaving the EU came as a shock to many was that the majority of people we knock around with tend to come from roughly the same social groups and job categories. Many on here will have never set foot on a building site so can’t comprehend why people such as myself were so anti the freedom of movement laws, and likewise I find it infuriating that they can’t understand why I’d have such an objection to having to compete with boys from Vilnius for work. Likewise I can’t imagine what it would have been like for my Grandad, watching his spot of Birmingham change from everything he knew and liked growing up into a new culture that was completely alien to him.

I think generally us Brits are more tolerant than most, and if it had remained at relatively low levels so newcomers were forced to integrate it wouldn’t have been an issue. However the sheer pace of the last 25 years has led to a situation where newcomers have arrived in such large numbers that they’re able to simply live, work and socialise almost exclusively with their fellow countrymen who have also made the move. Rather than a melting pot of English being the dominant identity with skin tone largely being an irrelevance, we’re instead seeing a Balkanisation of various groups living almost parallel lives rarely coming into contact with each other.

When that happens and you then get tragic events such as the stabbing where the victims and perpetrators are from differing tribes you end up with tension and violence. It’s not just the white majority but we’ve also seen fights between gangs of Indian and Pakistani groups in the Midlands, black people and Asians in London amongst others.

[Fen Canary 1,362]

14 minutes ago, Well b back said:

The facts are there, not heard about Robinson tweets yesterday ? Or Farage stating you have seen nothing yet ? Or have you looked at where the unrest is happening ? In Reform areas aren’t they ?

One quick question, why are your boys not coming to places like Birmingham where people are ready to defend the mosques ? Are they to scared ?. 

There’s a vast difference between a few tweets and logistically planning something as you’re well aware. By your logic anybody praising the Just Stop Oil protesters that have broken the law are also guilty of being an accessory to the crime. 

[littleyellowbirdie 3,046]

7 minutes ago, Well b back said:

Hi Sonyc

Just to give you a leg up, if you check Wiki there is a really good page quoting every terrorist action since the 70’s. It puts it into perspective and lists every event. You will find most killings are via the Irish troubles, and even now those troubles are a major contributor. 
Not sure what it’s like where you are at the moment ? But I fear this will escalate soon as the guys being attacked will rise up to defend themselves, which of course will play into the hands of these idiots who will be saying the immigrants are attacking us, but in reality it will be Britain against Britain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_terrorist_incidents

You mean this page? The numbers seem to contradict this statement. 

[Well b back 3,570]

5 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_terrorist_incidents

You mean this page? The numbers seem to contradict this statement. 

lol, well done for not using the U.K. figures, clueless.

 

[cornish sam 1,022]

9 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_terrorist_incidents

You mean this page? The numbers seem to contradict this statement. 

I suspect he means this one

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_Kingdom

This provides more details on the individual incidents:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Great_Britain

Edited August 2 by cornish sam

[Fen Canary 1,362]

3 minutes ago, cornish sam said:

I suspect he means this one

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_Kingdom

“In October 2020, Islamist terrorism remained the greatest threat to the UK by volume according to Ken McCallum, the Director General of MI5.[34] A report published in the same year found that of the 43,000 extremists on MI5's watchlist, around nine-tenths of the people on the list are Islamist extremists.[35] In July 2023, Suella Braverman, the Home Secretary of the United Kingdom, reiterated that Islamic terrorism was the primary domestic threat facing the UK.[36] Islamic terrorism represented 67% of attacks since 2018, 75% of MI5's caseload, and 64% of those in custody for terrorism-connected offences according to the 2023 CONTEST report.[6] The Independent Reviewer for the government's anti-terror programme, Sir William Shawcross, has stated that there was a reluctance to investigate Islamist threats due to fears of being labelled Islamophobic or racist. Instead, staff from the government's anti-terror programme were biased towards tackling far-right threats despite Islamist threats posing a greater risk”

 

Not a bad effort for 6% of the population 

[littleyellowbirdie 3,046]

7 minutes ago, Fen Canary said:

“In October 2020, Islamist terrorism remained the greatest threat to the UK by volume according to Ken McCallum, the Director General of MI5.[34] A report published in the same year found that of the 43,000 extremists on MI5's watchlist, around nine-tenths of the people on the list are Islamist extremists.[35] In July 2023, Suella Braverman, the Home Secretary of the United Kingdom, reiterated that Islamic terrorism was the primary domestic threat facing the UK.[36] Islamic terrorism represented 67% of attacks since 2018, 75% of MI5's caseload, and 64% of those in custody for terrorism-connected offences according to the 2023 CONTEST report.[6] The Independent Reviewer for the government's anti-terror programme, Sir William Shawcross, has stated that there was a reluctance to investigate Islamist threats due to fears of being labelled Islamophobic or racist. Instead, staff from the government's anti-terror programme were biased towards tackling far-right threats despite Islamist threats posing a greater risk”

 

Not a bad effort for 6% of the population 

That said, WBB is right that the numbers from the troubles were somewhat greater even though Islamic terrorism is the greater current threat. It does underline how irresponsible the EU commission is being seeking to play politics over NI this week with the new Labour government and making it harder for them to soothe tensions in NI.

Edited August 2 by littleyellowbirdie

[Well b back 3,570]

7 minutes ago, Fen Canary said:

“In October 2020, Islamist terrorism remained the greatest threat to the UK by volume according to Ken McCallum, the Director General of MI5.[34] A report published in the same year found that of the 43,000 extremists on MI5's watchlist, around nine-tenths of the people on the list are Islamist extremists.[35] In July 2023, Suella Braverman, the Home Secretary of the United Kingdom, reiterated that Islamic terrorism was the primary domestic threat facing the UK.[36] Islamic terrorism represented 67% of attacks since 2018, 75% of MI5's caseload, and 64% of those in custody for terrorism-connected offences according to the 2023 CONTEST report.[6] The Independent Reviewer for the government's anti-terror programme, Sir William Shawcross, has stated that there was a reluctance to investigate Islamist threats due to fears of being labelled Islamophobic or racist. Instead, staff from the government's anti-terror programme were biased towards tackling far-right threats despite Islamist threats posing a greater risk”

 

Not a bad effort for 6% of the population 

And what’s the population of Northern  Ireland ?

 

[Well b back 3,570]

Your point was most terrorist attacks in the U.K. were Islamic, all time, not in the moment. This is a fairly new thing, and the numbers are very small compared to the Irish trouble figures, where there were often a terrorist attack every month. The IRA hated us as much as anybody has. Most of those committing these crimes although considered Islamic were U.K. citizens. 
The current situation is being totally lied about with Robinson saying and Farage hinting that the murderer was a migrant. Now they have lost this argument their latest argument is that had his parents not been allowed to stay then this would not have happened. I will counter that with had many of our top surgeons not been allowed to stay, then a lot more of us and our relatives and friends would be dead. 
The list below are ‘ recorded successful terrorist incidents ‘ and do not include ones ‘ conveniently made up ‘ but are not terrorist incidents. 
To show how mad your guys are, last night some of them waved Israeli flags, whilst others did nazi salutes !
 

1912-1914

From 1912 to 1914 the female enfranchisement movement, the suffragettes, orchestrated a bombing and arson campaign which was described by the suffragettes themselves as terrorism. Emmeline Pankhurst said the suffragettes committed these acts to "terrorise the British public" and the Women's Social and Political Union reported their own acts as a "Reign of terror".^[7][8] The campaign included burning down the houses of members of the cabinet,^[9] an axe being thrown at the Prime minister,^[10][11] attempted bombings of train stations including with nail bombs,^[12]: 58 and attempts to flood towns by attacking water courses.^{[13][14]: 385} C.J Bearman asserts that there were at least 337 arson or bombing attempts and that the cost of the campaign in 2021 money amounted to 140-240 million pounds.^[15] 1300 people had been arrested and imprisoned by the end of the campaign.^[16]

1939–1940

From January 1939 to March 1940, the Irish Republican Army (IRA) carried out a campaign of bombing and sabotage against the civil, economic, and military infrastructure of Britain. It was known as the S-Plan or Sabotage Campaign. During the campaign, the IRA carried out almost 300 attacks and acts of sabotage in Britain, killing seven people and injuring 96.^[17] Most of the casualties occurred in the Coventry bombing on 25 August 1939.

1970s

• 1971, 12 January: Two bombs exploded at the house of government minister Robert Carr. This attack was one of 25 carried out by the Angry Brigadebetween August 1970 and August 1971. The Bomb Squad was established at Scotland Yard in January 1971 to target the group, and they were apprehended in August of that year.^[18][19]
• 1971, 31 October: A bomb exploded in the Post Office Tower in London causing extensive damage but no injuries. The "Kilburn Battalion" of the IRA claimed responsibility for the explosion but The Angry Brigade also claimed to have carried out the attack. It's likely it was the work of the Angry Brigade and not the IRA.^[20]
• 1972, 22 February: Aldershot bombing: The Official Irish Republican Army('Official' IRA) detonated a car bomb at Aldershot British Army base, Hampshire. The blast killed seven civilian staff.
• 1972, 19 September: The Palestinian terrorist group Black September posted a letter bomb to the Israeli embassy in London killing an Israeli diplomat.^[21][22]
• 1973, 8 March: The Provisional Irish Republican Army ('Provisional' IRA) planted four car bombs in London. Two of the bombs exploded outside the Old Bailey and the Ministry of Agriculture, injuring dozens. The bombs outside New Scotland Yard and an army recruitment office near Whitehall were defused.
• 1973, 10 September: The Provisional IRA set off bombs at London's King's Cross and Euston stations, injuring 21 people.^[23]
• 1973, 18 December: 1973 Westminster bombing: An IRA car bomb exploded outside the Home Office building in Millbank, London, injuring 60 people.
• 1974, 4 February: M62 coach bombing: An IRA bomb exploded aboard a bus carrying British soldiers and several of their family members in Yorkshire, killing nine soldiers and three civilians.
• 1974, 26 March: Claro Barracks at Ripon, North Yorkshire; Two stores and the main NAAFI building were damaged by three IRA bombs planted by Peter McMullen.^[24] Another device was then destroyed in a controlled explosion by army bomb disposal experts in the main barracks, where 100 soldiers had been sleeping. The 49-year-old manageress of the NAAFI shop suffered facial cuts from flying glass during the attack.^[25][26]
• 1974, 11 June: Queen Elizabeth Barracks, Strensall near York, North Yorkshire; A bomb (thrown over the perimeter fence?) destroyed most of the Green Howards Band's musical instruments.^[26]
• 1974, 17 June: Houses of Parliament bombing: An IRA bomb exploded at the Houses of Parliament, causing extensive damage and injuring 11 people.^[27]
• 1974 17 July: Tower of London bombing: A bomb exploded in the Tower of London, killing one and injuring 41.
• 1974, 5 October: Guildford pub bombings: IRA bombs exploded in two pubs frequented by off-duty British military personnel in Guildford, Surrey. Four soldiers and a civilian were killed and 44 injured.
• 1974, 22 October: An IRA bomb exploded in Brooks's gentleman's club in London, injuring three people.^[28]
• 1974, 7 November: An IRA bomb exploded in a pub frequented by British military personnel in Woolwich, London, killing a soldier and a civilian.
• 1974, 14 November: James Patrick McDade, Lieutenant in the Birmingham Battalion, of the Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA) was killed in a premature explosion whilst planting a bomb at the Coventry telephone exchange in 1974.
• 1974, 21 November: Birmingham pub bombings: IRA bombs exploded in two pubs in Birmingham, killing 21 people and injuring 182.
• 1974, 18 December: 1974 Bristol bombing: Two IRA bombs exploded in one of Bristol's shopping districts in the run up to Christmas, injuring 17.^[29]
• 1975, 27 January: An IRA bomb exploded at Lewis's department store in Manchester, England.^[30] Following a warning telephoned to the Press Association at 16:07 pm, the bomb exploded 17 minutes later injuring 19 people, one of them seriously.^[31] Seven bombs were also planted in London, five of them exploded injuring six people.^[31]
• 1975, 27 August: Caterham Arms pub bombing: An IRA bomb exploded in a pub frequented by British military personnel in Caterham, Surrey, injuring 33.^[32]
• 1975, 5 September: An IRA bomb exploded in the lobby of the Hilton Hotel, London, killing two people and injuring 63.
• 1975, 9 October: Green Park tube station bombing: An IRA bomb exploded by Green Park tube station in London, killing one.
• 1975, 18 November: IRA members threw a bomb into Walton's restaurant in London, killing two people and injuring 23.
• 1975, 27 November: IRA gunmen assassinated political activist and television personality Ross McWhirter in Enfield Town, London.^[33]
• 1975, 6–12 December: Balcombe Street siege: Four IRA members, who were fleeing from the police, barricaded themselves inside a flat in London and held the two occupants hostage. The siege lasted for six days and ended when the IRA members surrendered and released the hostages.
• 1975, 20 December: Biddy Mulligan's pub bombing: The Ulster Defence Association (UDA) bombed Biddy Mulligan's pub in the Kilburn area of London. Five people were injured. It said it bombed the pub because it was frequented by Irish republican sympathizers.^[34]
• 1976, 4 March: Cannon Street train bombing: An IRA bomb exploded in an empty train at Cannon Street station in London, injuring eight.
• 1976, 15 March: West Ham station attack: An IRA bomb exploded on a train at West Ham station in London, injuring seven. The bomber then shot two people while fleeing, killing one.
• 1976, 27 March: Olympia bombing: An IRA bomb exploded at the Olympia, London, killing one and injuring over 80 people.
• 1977, 31 December: Explosive device detonated inside the passenger compartment of car owned by the Embassy of the Syrian Arab Republic killing two members of Syrian embassy staff.^[35]
• 1978, 17 December: Co-ordinated IRA bombs exploded in Manchester, Liverpool, Coventry, Bristol and Southampton, injuring at least seven in Bristol.^[36]
• 1979, 17 January: A bomb exploded at a Texaco oil terminal on Canvey Island, Essex, tearing a hole in a tank that was initially thought to contain aviation fuel.^[37][38]
• 1979, 17 February: Glasgow pub bombings: The Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF) bombed two pubs frequented by Catholics in Glasgow, Scotland. Both pubs were wrecked and a number of people were wounded. It said it bombed the pubs because they were used for Irish republican fundraising.^[39]
• 1979, 30 March: Airey Neave killed when a bomb exploded under his car as he drove out of the Palace of Westminster car park. The Irish National Liberation Army (INLA) claimed responsibility.

1980s

• 1980, 30 April: Iranian Embassy siege: Six Iranian Arab gunmen stormed the Iranian Embassy in London and took hostages. The siege lasted for six days, until the hostages were rescued in a raid by the SAS which was broadcast live on TV. Two of the hostages were killed, while the hostage-takers were all either killed or captured.
• 1981 January: Bomb inside RAF band barracks in RAF Uxbridge. A security patrol discovered the bomb surrounded by drums of petrol. The barracks were evacuated but the device exploded before the bomb disposal arrived. The blast was heard up to 2 miles away. There were two minor injuries.
• 1981, 10 October: The IRA detonated a bomb outside Chelsea Barracks, London, killing two and injuring 39.
• 1981, 26 October: The IRA bombed a Wimpy Bar on Oxford Street, killing Kenneth Howorth, the Metropolitan Police explosives officer attempting to defuse it.
• 1982, 14 March: The bombing of the London offices of the African National Congress (ANC), which opposed the apartheid government of South Africa, wounding one person who was living upstairs. General Johann Coetzee, former head of the South African Security Police, and seven other policemen accepted responsibility for the attack after the end of the apartheid government.^[40]
• 1982, 20 July: Hyde Park and Regent's Park bombings: IRA bombs exploded during British military ceremonies in Hyde Park and Regent's Park, London, killing eleven soldiers of the Household Cavalry and the Royal Green Jackets.
• 1983, 17 December: Harrods bombing: An IRA car bomb exploded outside Harrods department store in London, following a telephoned warning. Five people were killed, including three police officers, and the sixth victim – another police officer – died in hospital from his injuries a week later. 90 other people were injured but survived.
• 1984, 12 October: Brighton hotel bombing: In an attempt to assassinate Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, the IRA detonated a bomb in the Grand Brighton Hotel during the Conservative Party conference. It killed five Conservative Party members, including MP Anthony Berry.
• 1988, 21 December: Pan Am Flight 103 was blown up by a bomb in a suitcase while in flight over Lockerbie, Scotland after taking off from Heathrow. All 259 of the plane's passengers and crew were killed, along with 11 Lockerbie residents, claiming a total of 270 lives.
• 1989, 3 August: A man using the alias Mustafa Mahmoud Mazeh accidentally blew himself up along with two floors of a central London hotel while preparing a bomb intended to kill author Salman Rushdie.^[41]
• 1989, 22 September: Deal barracks bombing: Eleven Royal Marines bandsmen were killed and 22 injured when an IRA bomb exploded at the Royal Marines base in Deal, Kent.

1990s

• 1990, 14 May: The IRA bombed an army education centre in Eltham, London, injuring seven.
• 1990, 16 May: The IRA bombed a minibus at an army recruitment centre in Wembley, London, killing one soldier and injuring four.
• 1990, 1 June: A British soldier was killed and two wounded in an IRA gun attack at Lichfield City railway station, Staffordshire.
• 1990, 9 June: Honourable Artillery Company bombing: The IRA detonated a bomb at the Honourable Artillery Company's barracks in London, injuring 19.
• 1990, 26 June: Carlton Club bombing: The IRA bombed a London club for Conservative politicians, fatally wounding one and injuring 20.
• 1990, 20 July: London Stock Exchange bombing: The IRA detonated a bomb at the London Stock Exchange causing damage to the building but no injuries.^[42]
• 1990, 30 July: Ian Gow, Conservative MP, was assassinated by the IRA when a booby trap bomb exploded under his car outside his home in East Sussex.^[43]
• 1991, 4 January: An IRA bomb exploded and a shot was fired at the entrance to Territorial Army Firing Range, Cannock Chase, Staffordshire. No injuries.
• 1991, 7 February: The IRA carried out a mortar attack of 10 Downing Street, in an attempt to assassinate Prime Minister John Major and his cabinet. One of the shells exploded in the back garden of 10 Downing Street but there were no deaths.
• 1991, 18 February: An IRA bomb exploded at Victoria Station. One man killed and 38 people injured.
• 1991, 15 November: An IRA bomb exploded in St Albans city centre. Two fatalities, both members of the provisional IRA (Patricia Black and Frankie Ryan), were the only casualties.
• 1992, 28 February: An IRA bomb exploded at London Bridge station, injuring 29 people.
• 1992, 10 April: Baltic Exchange bombing: A large IRA truck bomb exploded outside the Baltic Exchange building in the City of London, following a telephoned warning. It killed three people and caused £800 million worth of damage – more than the total damaged caused by the 10,000 explosions that had occurred during the Troubles in Northern Ireland up to that point.^[44] A few hours later a bomb exploded in Staples Corner.
• 1992, 25 August: The IRA planted three firebombs in Shrewsbury, Shropshire. Bombs were placed in Shoplatch, The Charles Darwin Centre and Shrewsbury Castle, the latter causing the most damage as the castle housed the Shropshire Regimental Museum and many priceless historical artifacts were lost and damaged by fire and smoke. No fatalities or injuries were recorded.
• 1992, 12 October: Sussex Arms bombing: A bomb exploded in the gents' toilet of a pub in Covent Garden, killing one person and injuring four others.
• 1992, 16 November: IRA planted a bomb at the Canary Wharf, but was spotted by security guards. The bomb failed to detonate.
• 1992, 3 December: The IRA detonated two car bombs in central Manchester, injuring 65 people.^[45]
• 1992, 10 December: Wood Green Shopping City bombing. Two IRA bin bombs injure 11 people.
• 1993, 28 January: 1993 Harrods bombing: Far-left Red Action members together with the IRA bombed Harrods in London, injuring four.
• 1993, 26 February: Warrington bomb attacks (Part 1): IRA bombs attached to gas storage facilities exploded, causing widespread damage and a dramatic fireball. PC Mark Toker was shot three times by the bombers after pulling over their van hours before.
• 1993, 27 February: Camden Town bombing: An IRA bomb exploded on Camden High Street in London, injuring 18.
• 1993, 20 March: Warrington bomb attacks (Part 2): Two bombs exploded in litter bins in a shopping precinct in Warrington, Cheshire, killing a three-year-old boy and injuring 55 people. The second bomb occurred within a minute of the first, directly in the path of many of those fleeing from the initial blast. A 12-year-old boy became the second fatality when he died in hospital from his injuries several days later. A warning had been telephoned to a Samaritans in Liverpool 30 minutes before the detonation, but hadn't specified Warrington.
• 1993, 24 April: Bishopsgate bombing: The IRA detonated a huge (equivalent to 1.2 tonnes of TNT) truck bomb in the City of London at Bishopsgate. Police had received a telephoned warning but were still evacuating the area at the time of the explosion. A newspaper photographer was killed, over 40 people were injured, and £350 million worth of damage was caused.^[44]
• 1994, March: Heathrow mortar attacks: The IRA launched a series of mortar attacks on Heathrow Airport near London. The attacks caused severe disruption but little damage.
• 1994, 26–27 July: A group of Palestinians detonated two car bombs in London, one outside the Israeli embassy^[46] and one outside Balfour House, home to a Jewish charity. The attacks injured twenty people.^[46]
• 1994, 13 August: 2.5 lbs of Semtex packed into a bicycle left outside Woolworths in Bognor Regis, exploded damaging 15 shops. A similar bomb found in nearby Brighton.^[47]
• 1996, 9 February: London Docklands bombing: The IRA detonated a powerful truck bomb in the Canary Wharf financial district of London, following telephoned warnings. The blast caused severe damage and killed two people.
• 1996, 18 February: Aldwych bus bombing: An improvised high explosive devicedetonated prematurely on a bus travelling along Aldwych in central London, killing Edward O'Brien, the IRA member transporting the device and injuring eight others.
• 1996, 15 June: Manchester bombing: The IRA detonated a powerful truck bomb in central Manchester, following a telephoned warning. It was the biggest bomb detonated in Britain since the Second World War. It caused widespread damage and injured over 200 people, but there were no deaths.
• 1999, 17 April, 24 April, 30 April: 1999 London nail bombings: David Copeland set off three nail bombs in London targeting the black, Bangladeshi and gay communities respectively, killing three people (including a pregnant woman) and injuring 129. Copeland, a far-right extremist, was convicted of murder on 30 June 2000.

Refer also to the list of IRA terrorist incidents presented to Parliament between 1980 and 1994, listed halfway down the page here

2000s

Memorial in London's Hyde Park to the victims of the  7 July bombings.

• 2000, 20 September: The Real IRA fired an RPG-22 rocket launcher at the MI6 headquarters in London.
• 2001, 4 March: The Real IRA detonated a car bomb outside the BBC Television Centre in London, damaging the front of the building and injuring one person.^[48]
• 2001, 3 August: The Real IRA detonated a car bomb in Ealing, London, damaging buildings and injuring seven people.
• 2005, 7 July: 7/7 central London bombings conducted by four separate Islamist extremist suicide bombers, which targeted civilians using the public transport system during the morning rush hour. Three bombs were detonated on three separate trains on the London Underground and one on a double-decker bus. As well as the suicide bombers, 52 other people were killed and around 700 more were injured. It was the UK's worst terrorist incident since the 1988 Lockerbie bombing and the first Islamist suicide attack in the country.
• 2007, January–February: Miles Cooper letter bomb campaign. Miles Cooper said he was motivated by anti-authoritarianism and opposition to surveillance.^[49]
• 2007, 30 June: Two Islamist terrorists drove a Jeep Cherokee loaded with propane canisters into the glass doors of the Glasgow Airport terminal, setting it ablaze. Five people were injured and the only death was of one of the perpetrators, who later died in hospital from his injuries. It was the first terrorist attack to take place in Scotland since the Lockerbie bombing in 1988.

2010s

• 2010, 14 May: MP Stephen Timms was stabbed during his constituency surgery by Roshonara Choudhry, a British Islamic extremist, in an attempt to kill him. She was found guilty of attempted murder and jailed for life with a minimum term of 15 years. Choudhry was the first Al-Qaeda sympathiser to attempt an assassination in Britain.
• 2013, 29 April to 12 July: Pavlo Lapshyn, a Ukrainian student and right-wing extremist, fatally stabbed Birmingham resident Mohammed Saleem on 29 April. Lapshyn later detonated a home-made bomb outside a mosque in Walsall on 21 June.^[50] On 28 June, Lapshyn detonated a second home-made bomb near a mosque in Wolverhampton, and attacked a mosque in Tipton with an improvised explosive device containing nails on 12 July. He later admitted to police that he wished to start a "race war"^[51] and was sentenced to serve at least 40 years.^[52][53][54]
• 2013, 22 May: A British soldier, Lee Rigby, was murdered in an attack in Woolwich by Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale, two Islamist extremists armed with a handgun, knives and a cleaver. Both men were sentenced to life imprisonment, with Adebolajo given a whole life order and Adebowale ordered to serve at least 45 years.^[55]
• 2014, 10–14 February: The New Irish Republican Army (NIRA) claims responsibility for a series of parcel bombs sent to army recruitment offices in Oxford, Brighton, Canterbury, Slough, Aldershot, Reading and Chatham.^[56][57]
• 2016, 16 June: Murder of Jo Cox – Thomas Mair, a 52-year-old white nationalist, shot and stabbed the MP Jo Cox outside a surgery in Birstall, West Yorkshire, and severely wounded a passerby who came to her aid. The attack was treated as an act of terrorism,^[58] and in sentencing Mair to life imprisonment the judge said "There is no doubt that this murder was done for the purpose of advancing a political, racial and ideological cause namely that of violent white supremacism and exclusive nationalism most associated with Nazism and its modern forms".^[59]
• 2017, 22 March: 2017 Westminster attack – Khalid Masood, a 52-year-old Islamist, drove a car into pedestrians on Westminster Bridge, killing three and injuring almost fifty, one of whom died two weeks later. He ran into the grounds of the Palace of Westminster and fatally stabbed police officer Keith Palmer, before being shot dead by police. The attack was treated as an act of terrorism motivated by Islamic extremism.^{[60][61][62][63]}
• 2017, 22 May: Manchester Arena bombing – An Islamist suicide bomber, 22-year-old Salman Abedi, blew himself up at Manchester Arena as people were leaving an Ariana Grande concert, killing 22 and injuring 139. It became the deadliest terrorist attack in Britain since the 7/7 London bombings in 2005. Many of the victims were children or teenagers, the youngest being an eight-year-old girl.^[64][65]
• 2017, 3 June: 2017 London Bridge attack – Three Islamists drove a van into pedestrians on London bridge before stabbing people in and around pubs in nearby Borough Market. Eight people were killed and at least 48 wounded.^[66][67][68] The attackers were shot dead by police eight minutes after the incident was reported. All three were wearing fake suicide bomb vests.
• 2017, 19 June: Finsbury Park attack – Darren Osborne, a 47 year old British man, drove a van into Muslim worshippers near Finsbury Park Mosque, London. A man who had earlier collapsed and was receiving first aid died at the scene. The incident was investigated by counter-terrorism police as a terrorist attack.^[69][70][71] On 23 June, Osborne was charged with terrorism-related murder and attempted murder.^[72][73] In February 2018 at Woolwich Crown Court, he was found guilty on both counts^[74] and was sentenced to life imprisonment with a minimum term of 43 years.
• 2017, 15 September: Parsons Green bombing – The London tube train was targeted and witnesses reported a flash and bang.^[75] Thirty people were injured, mostly with flash burns and crush injuries, but there were no fatalities. The threat level was raised to its highest point of critical soon after.^[76] Ahmed Hassan, who committed the bombing, received a life sentence with a minimum term of 34 years.
• 2018, 14 August: 2018 Westminster car attack – A Ford Fiesta ran down pedestrians outside the palace of Westminster. The car then went on to crash into the security barrier, after aiming at two police officers.^[77] Salih Khater, who carried out the attack received a life sentence with a minimum term of 15 years.
• 2018, 31 December: Mahdi Mohamud, a Dutch national from a Somali family, stabbed three in a knife attack at Manchester Victoria station. Mohamud shouted "Allahu Akbar!" and "Long live the Caliphate!" during the attack. Despite suffering from paranoid schizophrenia, Mahomud was convicted of a terror offence and attempted murder of three people due to his possession of significant amounts of extremist material and the attack's extensive planning.
• 2019, 16 March: Vincent Fuller, a 50-year-old British man, wrote Facebook posts saying "Kill all the non-English" and expressing agreement with the killer in the Christchurch mosque shootings. He then used a baseball bat to attack the home of a neighbor of Indian descent and several cars driven by non-white drivers, shouting "Kill Muslims" and "white supremacy" according to witnesses, before stabbing a 19-year-old Bulgarian man. A judge found the attack had a "terrorist connection." Fuller was sentenced to prison for 18 years and nine months.^[78]
• 2019, 29 November: 2019 London Bridge stabbing – On 29 November 2019, police were called to a stabbing near London Bridge, in Central London, England, at 1:58 pm. A statement said that one man was detained, and "a number of people" were injured. Two people were killed in the attack and three were left injured. The attacker, 28 year old Usman Khan, was shot dead by police and confirmed dead on the scene.^[79][80]

2020s

• 2020, 9 January: Two inmates at Whitemoor prison in Cambridgeshire wearing realistic fake suicide vests, and carrying improvised bladed weapons, stabbed one prison officer several times causing serious injuries and harming several others. One of the inmates, Muslim convert Ziamani, from Camberwell, southeast London, had been jailed for 22 years for hatching a plot to behead a UK soldier inspired by the murder of Fusilier Lee Rigby.^[81]
• 2020, 2 February: 2020 Streatham stabbing – Sudesh Amman, wearing a fake suicide vest similar to the one used in the 2019 London Bridge stabbing, was shot dead by armed police after stabbing and injuring two people in Streatham, London Borough of Lambeth. One of the victims sustained life-threatening injuries.
• 2020, 20 June: 2020 Reading stabbings – On 20 June 2020, Khairi Saadallah, shouting "Allahu Akbar", attacked two groups of people socialising in Forbury Gardens, a public park in the centre of Reading, killing three and injuring three others. On 11 January 2021, he was sentenced to life imprisonment without the possibility of parole. The sentencing judge, Mr Justice Sweeney said that it was a terrorist attack and that the purpose was to advance an extremist Islamic cause.^[82]
• 2021, 15 October: Murder of David Amess – Ali Harbi Ali stabbed MP Sir David Amess at his constituency surgery and was sentenced to life imprisonment with a whole life order.^[83]
• 2021, 14 November: Liverpool Women's Hospital bombing – Emad Al-Swealmeen, carrying a homemade bomb, arrived at the Liverpool Women's Hospital by taxi. The bomb exploded, killing him and injuring the driver. The incident was quickly described as terrorism.^[84]
• 2022, 30 October: Dover firebomb attack - Andrew Leak threw three petrol bombs attached to fireworks at the perimeter fence of the Western Jet Foil migrant processing centre in Dover, Kent before killing himself at a nearby petrol station. Two people sustained minor injuries.^[85]
• 2023, 15 October: Ahmed Ali Alid stabbed 70-year-old Terence Carney to death in Hartlepool and seriously injured another man, who survived. Alid claimed the attack to be an act of protest against the Israel–Hamas war. Alid was sentenced to life imprisonment with a minimum term of 44 years in May 2024.^[86

[littleyellowbirdie 3,046]

19 minutes ago, Well b back said:

And what’s the population of Northern  Ireland ?

 

This would be a good opportunity for you to try posting a link with the answer to that question.

[Well b back 3,570]

Members of the crowd chanted in support of far-right activist Tommy Robinson, while others shouted Islamophobic slurs.

 

[littleyellowbirdie 3,046]

5 minutes ago, Well b back said:

Your point was most terrorist attacks in the U.K. were Islamic, all time, not in the moment.

Was it? Where did he say that was his point? Current threats seem far more relevant than historic ones in terms of security.

Edited August 2 by littleyellowbirdie

[Aggy 931]

3 hours ago, Naturalcynic said:

Living up to my username, I confess to being rather cynical about your claimed lack of understanding regarding the concerns of huge swathes of society.

I’m rather cynical about your motives for being cynical about balanced posts on a football forum but not about things said by extreme right wing yobs. You’re definitely not racist though so I’m probably wrong.

[Well b back 3,570]

3 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

This would be a good opportunity for you to try posting a link with the answer to that question.

Good idea, 3% of the U.K. ( 1.7m ) population 98% white and 82% are Protestant or Catholic, with a higher % having a religious upbringing, so with a much lower % have killed many more.

Genuine question ( and it is genuine ) going by last night with the nazi salutes I guess the right support Hitler, and with the input from Putin Russia, however ( my question ) did they support the IRA as that was an attack on the British establishment ?

 

[littleyellowbirdie 3,046]

5 minutes ago, Well b back said:

Genuine question ( and it is genuine ) going by last night with the nazi salutes I guess the right support Hitler,

 

The answer to this will be the same as whether everyone at the Gaza protests are antisemites on the basis of  of antisemitic hate incidents among the supporters.

Re the Soviet Union and the IRA, almost certainly yes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Republican_Army–Soviet_Union_collaboration

Edited August 2 by littleyellowbirdie