Extinction Rebellion and Just Stop Oil

[Naturalcynic 817]

31 minutes ago, Herman said:

Cancer patients can't get treatment because of the disastrous way the last government handled the NHS = tumbleweed.

A few cancer patients get held up because of protests = outrage.

Maybe people should start getting their priorities right.

And the carbon footprint of posting a message on here is about 0.05g.  Based on 42,650 posts, that means you’ve produced over 2kg of carbon emissions purely from your comments.  Priorities?

Edited July 24 by Naturalcynic

[Herman 10,960]

And the levels of methane you produce daily is the equivalent of a medium sized Devon farmstead. 🤷

[Naturalcynic 817]

1 minute ago, Herman said:

And the levels of methane you produce daily is the equivalent of a medium sized Devon farmstead. 🤷

Although to be fair, my comment was factually correct whereas yours was just a silly put-down.

[Herman 10,960]

I'm going to call you Naturalgasbag from now on. Ol' Guffy. Methane Micky..... 

[Naturalcynic 817]

2 minutes ago, Herman said:

I'm going to call you Naturalgasbag from now on. Ol' Guffy. Methane Micky..... 

If it makes you feel better.

[Well b back 3,571]

The record for the world's hottest day has tumbled twice in one week

[Fen Canary 1,388]

14 hours ago, dylanisabaddog said:

There were an extraordinary number of cancer patients in that queue! 

Stopping one cancer patient getting to their appointment is one too many

[Barbe bleu 990]

15 hours ago, dylanisabaddog said:

There were an extraordinary number of cancer patients in that queue! 

Tell that to the judge.  His sentencing remarks mention only one who missed an appointment ( put back 2 months and the cancer is said to be 'aggressive' so probably  not ideal) but I guess with 700,000 vehicles caught up in the mess it could have been many more.

I got something wrong in an earlier post that I should correct.   The main guy has 13 previous convictions for rhe same offence, not 11 as I previously indicated.

Edited July 24 by Barbe bleu

[Worthy Nigelton 1,232]

On 24/07/2024 at 20:24, Well b back said:

The record for the world's hottest day has tumbled twice in one week

Apparently three times now! Mental.

[yellow hammer 108]

On 26/07/2024 at 07:43, Worthy Nigelton said:

Apparently three times now! Mental.

Not in the UK, it hasn't

[yellow hammer 108]

On 26/07/2024 at 07:43, Worthy Nigelton said:

Apparently three times now! Mental.

The global average surface air temperature on Monday, July 22, reached 17.15 degrees Celsius (62.87 degrees Fahrenheit), according to data from the European Union's Copernicus Climate Change Service, making it the hottest day since at least 1940

Apparently, you're freaking out about 17.15C

[Creative Midfielder 2,180]

5 hours ago, yellow hammer said:

The global average surface air temperature on Monday, July 22, reached 17.15 degrees Celsius (62.87 degrees Fahrenheit), according to data from the European Union's Copernicus Climate Change Service, making it the hottest day since at least 1940

Apparently, you're freaking out about 17.15C

That may be because he understands what the 'global average' means, whereas as you seemingly do not.

[Badger 2,743]

On 22/07/2024 at 05:22, dylanisabaddog said:

The problem is that if they stop no one will be talking about it at all. I'm afraid that handing out leaflets at Tesco doesn't work. 

We lost the manufacturing war to Asia 40 years ago. 

My recollection is that we didn't even fight it, we just gave in. It was far more politically beneficial to give away the hundreds of billions of exceptional revenue from oil sell-offs and selling off the national infrastructure in tax give aways, rather than reinvesting in the infrastructure. Live for today and let the next generation pick up the bill.

It does seem to have worked though. Mrs Thatcher  is still remarkably popular for someone that was so incredibly misguided.

[Badger 2,743]

If I were a cynic and had the time and energy, I'd like to look into the funding of JSO - I wouldn't be at all surprised if there was some oil backing for their leadership.

The last 10 or 15 years has seen a remarkable degree of consensus on the climate issue being undermined by extremists alienating closet opponents of change and making it respectable to do so under the guise of "protecting cancer patients." It has now enabled the Tory party, for example, to politicise the climate (e.g. anti-ULEZ) in a way that Cameron had to reverse to make the Tories electable.

I took the trouble to read the judges sentencing report, which is available online. It was clear that a large part of the sentencing decision was based upon the fact that they were all on suspended sentences for previous offences (the Heathrow drone) and that it was apparent that they would continue to act in the same way.

Taking the Green Politics out of it, if lorry drivers or farmers made it clear that they would deliberately try to paralyse the infrastructure ad infinitum and would ignore suspended sentences etc, I would want them to be imprisoned. 

I support the cause but the tactics are incredibly misguided and imo actually damage the cause that they are seeking to advance. 

Edited July 28 by Badger
Clarification

[dylanisabaddog 5,792]

18 minutes ago, Badger said:

 

I support the cause but the tactics are incredibly misguided and imo actually damage the cause that they are seeking to advance. 

I've always wondered why they don't just target Heathrow and Felixstowe. They've obviously come to the same conclusion as some of them were arrested and escorted out of Heathrow a couple of weeks ago. 

I understand that last week saw 2 records for the highest daily world temperature on record. There have also been 100 ish records for sea temperature in 2024. No one seems to be talking about it though. 

During the election campaign I had the opportunity to talk to a UEA climate Professor and asked him what the truth is. 

Apparently "we're f*cked". His words, not mine. 

Last week Trump vowed to get US fuel prices down from $2.50 a gallon to $2.00. We're paying $8.50 a gallon at the moment. 

Edited July 28 by dylanisabaddog

[Fen Canary 1,388]

20 hours ago, dylanisabaddog said:

I've always wondered why they don't just target Heathrow and Felixstowe. They've obviously come to the same conclusion as some of them were arrested and escorted out of Heathrow a couple of weeks ago. 

I understand that last week saw 2 records for the highest daily world temperature on record. There have also been 100 ish records for sea temperature in 2024. No one seems to be talking about it though. 

During the election campaign I had the opportunity to talk to a UEA climate Professor and asked him what the truth is. 

Apparently "we're f*cked". His words, not mine. 

Last week Trump vowed to get US fuel prices down from $2.50 a gallon to $2.00. We're paying $8.50 a gallon at the moment. 

Why not go and protest in China where they’re building new coal fired power plants? 

[dylanisabaddog 5,792]

38 minutes ago, Fen Canary said:

Why not go and protest in China where they’re building new coal fired power plants? 

Is that really a serious question? 

[Fen Canary 1,388]

20 minutes ago, dylanisabaddog said:

Is that really a serious question? 

If they really cared about the environment and pollution wouldn’t it make more sense to protest the biggest polluters? 

[Herman 10,960]

We could set an example and show the rest of the world that it can be done. Or follow the why bother example and pretend nothing is going wrong. 

[ron obvious 1,661]

55 minutes ago, Herman said:

We could set an example and show the rest of the world that it can be done. Or follow the why bother example and pretend nothing is going wrong. 

Yes. Setting an example. I'm sure the Chinese will be highly impressed & follow suit forthwith. Or maybe not.

[yellow hammer 108]

On 28/07/2024 at 09:55, Creative Midfielder said:

That may be because he understands what the 'global average' means, whereas as you seemingly do not.

It is a meaningless statistic for airheads. It may have passed your attention but here in the UK the temperature ranges below 17.1C and above 17.1C every single day that you have spent on earth. And if that mad fact twists your toes you'll be amazed to know that in winter the temperature sometimes falls below zero!  But here we all are getting along just fine if it wasn't for these pesky blue haired narcissists glueing themselves to the floor

[yellow hammer 108]

2 hours ago, Fen Canary said:

If they really cared about the environment and pollution wouldn’t it make more sense to protest the biggest polluters? 

 

2 hours ago, Fen Canary said:

If they really cared about the environment and pollution wouldn’t it make more sense to protest the biggest polluters? 

They wouldn't even have to go to China or India to protest, the embassies of those two countries are in London and they could easily glue themselves to the embassy gates or whatever. But they don't because they want to cause the greatest possible disruption to ordinary Brits going about their daily business. 

It is simple anti democracy with a strong smell of narcissism rolled into entitlement

[Badger 2,743]

12 minutes ago, ron obvious said:

Yes. Setting an example. I'm sure the Chinese will be highly impressed & follow suit forthwith. Or maybe not.

You do realise that China are building twice as much wind and solar power as the rest of the world combined + a way in the lead in electric cars production? I think it is more a question of us following them.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jul/11/china-building-twice-as-much-wind-and-solar-power-as-rest-of-world-report

[ron obvious 1,661]

16 minutes ago, Badger said:

You do realise that China are building twice as much wind and solar power as the rest of the world combined + a way in the lead in electric cars production? I think it is more a question of us following them.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jul/11/china-building-twice-as-much-wind-and-solar-power-as-rest-of-world-report

So why are they still building coal fired generators?

[Herman 10,960]

1 hour ago, ron obvious said:

Yes. Setting an example. I'm sure the Chinese will be highly impressed & follow suit forthwith. Or maybe not.

What is your solution to a clear problem. Doing sod all is not an option anymore. 

[Creative Midfielder 2,180]

1 hour ago, yellow hammer said:

It is a meaningless statistic for airheads. It may have passed your attention but here in the UK the temperature ranges below 17.1C and above 17.1C every single day that you have spent on earth. And if that mad fact twists your toes you'll be amazed to know that in winter the temperature sometimes falls below zero!  But here we all are getting along just fine if it wasn't for these pesky blue haired narcissists glueing themselves to the floor

😂 Meaningless to you obviously - that response demonstrates even more clearly than your original nonsense that you simply don't understand the relevance or the significance of the statistic at all, mainly I suspect because you have a completely closed mind where climate science is concerned, or perhaps even science generally.

Perhaps science, just like Brexit, is one of those areas where 'you've had enough of experts' ?

For clarity I'm not claiming that status, I'm talking about the bona fide experts 😀

[yellow hammer 108]

2 hours ago, Creative Midfielder said:

😂 Meaningless to you obviously - that response demonstrates even more clearly than your original nonsense that you simply don't understand the relevance or the significance of the statistic at all, mainly I suspect because you have a completely closed mind where climate science is concerned, or perhaps even science generally.

Perhaps science, just like Brexit, is one of those areas where 'you've had enough of experts' ?

For clarity I'm not claiming that status, I'm talking about the bona fide experts 😀

You can pay an expert and they'll say anything you want. And the climate scam rakes in so much money that there is plenty to buy as many 'experts' as you want. It's about 27C where am right now. It matters not a jot that the world average is 17.1C  As they say, a stopped clock is right twice a day and both are meaningless numbers. Scientists are great, honey, but one needs smart people like me to tell you what is and is not important.

[Badger 2,743]

3 hours ago, ron obvious said:

So why are they still building coal fired generators?

Energy security.

I understand that they want to have excess capacity to ensure security for economic growth and for geo-political reasons. The aim is to make renewables the primary source and coal playing the supporting role. China is one of the areas that is more vulnerable to the impact of climate change and pledged to reduce net zero by 2060, 10 years after the UK/ US but 5 years before Thailand and 10 years before India.

They have robust plans to decarbonise and as demonstrated earlier they have taken massive steps to do this, however, of course Chinese emissions are a major issue but it's not altogether surprising that they are higher than the West's emissions due to 1) size and 2) the fact that they are still industrialising - there are significant areas that are still undeveloped. It is not that surprising (to me anyway) that countries that are less developed economically are likely to be later meeting the target. There's relatively little we can do about it some form of carbon tax on imports might help but I don't know if this is likely to be manageable. There is also the issue that once fully implemented there are large cost advantages to using renewable energy which should give competitive advantages, which I am sure the Chinese are aware of.

So, we can bring what pressure we can or get sulky about it and say were not going to do it if you're not and let our kids fry. 🤔

[ron obvious 1,661]

30 minutes ago, Badger said:

Energy security.

I understand that they want to have excess capacity to ensure security for economic growth and for geo-political reasons. The aim is to make renewables the primary source and coal playing the supporting role. China is one of the areas that is more vulnerable to the impact of climate change and pledged to reduce net zero by 2060, 10 years after the UK/ US but 5 years before Thailand and 10 years before India.

They have robust plans to decarbonise and as demonstrated earlier they have taken massive steps to do this, however, of course Chinese emissions are a major issue but it's not altogether surprising that they are higher than the West's emissions due to 1) size and 2) the fact that they are still industrialising - there are significant areas that are still undeveloped. It is not that surprising (to me anyway) that countries that are less developed economically are likely to be later meeting the target. There's relatively little we can do about it some form of carbon tax on imports might help but I don't know if this is likely to be manageable. There is also the issue that once fully implemented there are large cost advantages to using renewable energy which should give competitive advantages, which I am sure the Chinese are aware of.

So, we can bring what pressure we can or get sulky about it and say were not going to do it if you're not and let our kids fry. 🤔

Energy security?

For the Chinese: why not for us then? And why don't they invest in nuclear??

Anyway, what sort of an excuse is that? They're still pumping out yet more CO2, & surely that's the overwhelming problem; I mean, couldn't they make themselves a bit poorer, you know, for the greater good, they're so wise & far-seeing & all. And selfless. 

Or could it be they're simply doing what they see as best for themselves. Same as very other government. Perhaps people are much the same everywhere.

As for 'bringing pressure to bear' by impoverishing ourselves, I'm sure they'll be very impressed by our lofty moral stance, pat us on the back, & wave fondly as they carry on building those plants ...

 

[ron obvious 1,661]

3 hours ago, Herman said:

What is your solution to a clear problem. Doing sod all is not an option anymore. 

Not pretending that the Chinese give a stuff about our impoverishing ourselves for a start. Direct our energies onto small modular nuclear reactors & geothermal sources amongst others.