Extinction Rebellion and Just Stop Oil

[Fen Canary 1,388]

5 hours ago, Well b back said:

I don’t disagree, but Robinson arranging attacks on protestors, some of those protestors using terrorist chants, Farage trying to organise mobs against the RNLI, Ex nurse ( struck off Kate ) who was trying to organise nurses to be hung and attacked, anti vaxers who attacked nurses to name but a few have not been sent to prison for 5 years ?

What does this have to do with blocking roads and defacing Stonehenge? 

[Fen Canary 1,388]

11 hours ago, Creative Midfielder said:

Well again we seem to be moving in different circles because I don't know anybody that would group XR or JSO together as indistinguishable/interchangeable because they are completely different in both their objectives and their modus operandi.

Most people that I know would support/sympathise with XR but not JSO (other than perhaps in their early and less extreme days).

I also don't get your charactarisation of them 'as a bunch of entitled middle class t**ts' - I get that you're not interested in or concerned by cliimate change and you don't like people who see it as a serious issue but I would have thought that you are observant enough to notice that certainly in the case of XR the protesters came from a pretty wide variety of backgrounds and there was plenty of public support for their actions - otherwise the government wouldn't have tried so hard to stop them

It’s almost as if having different jobs, upbringings and life experiences can lead to having differing opinions isn’t it, something I’ve been trying to explain to people on here for 8 years in regards to the freedom of movement laws.

I find all these climate groups entirely interchangeable (extinction rebellion and just stop oil both blockaded the refineries together from memory). Those arrested are always either trustafarians called Tabatha and Sebastian or bearded Corbyn lookalike pensioners with nothing better to do.

I also saw very little support for their tactics, in fact most of the public are often openly hostile (pulling them down from the roof of the tube, dragging them off the motorway to allow ambulances through etc). There’s good support amongst the public for sensible green policies that aren’t going to destroy the economy, there’s little time for stunts like these or schemes such as ULEZ that makes peoples lives worse. 

[Herman 10,960]

I think you will find that the ULEZ scheme works.

[Creative Midfielder 2,180]

13 minutes ago, Fen Canary said:

It’s almost as if having different jobs, upbringings and life experiences can lead to having differing opinions isn’t it, something I’ve been trying to explain to people on here for 8 years in regards to the freedom of movement laws.

😀 Well I agree that is entirely possible, though by no means inevitable, but even so I find the two paragraphs below both surprising and rather puzzling - so I guess we are back in agreeing to disagree country.

I find all these climate groups entirely interchangeable (extinction rebellion and just stop oil both blockaded the refineries together from memory). Those arrested are always either trustafarians called Tabatha and Sebastian or bearded Corbyn lookalike pensioners with nothing better to do.

I also saw very little support for their tactics, in fact most of the public are often openly hostile (pulling them down from the roof of the tube, dragging them off the motorway to allow ambulances through etc). There’s good support amongst the public for sensible green policies that aren’t going to destroy the economy, there’s little time for stunts like these or schemes such as ULEZ that makes peoples lives worse. 

 

[dylanisabaddog 5,792]

37 minutes ago, Fen Canary said:

It’s almost as if having different jobs, upbringings and life experiences can lead to having differing opinions isn’t it, something I’ve been trying to explain to people on here for 8 years in regards to the freedom of movement laws.

I find all these climate groups entirely interchangeable (extinction rebellion and just stop oil both blockaded the refineries together from memory). Those arrested are always either trustafarians called Tabatha and Sebastian or bearded Corbyn lookalike pensioners with nothing better to do.

 

Very funny. You've even picked their first names for them! 

[littleyellowbirdie 3,047]

14 hours ago, Well b back said:

I don’t disagree, but Robinson arranging attacks on protestors, some of those protestors using terrorist chants, Farage trying to organise mobs against the RNLI, Ex nurse ( struck off Kate ) who was trying to organise nurses to be hung and attacked, anti vaxers who attacked nurses to name but a few have not been sent to prison for 5 years ?

I'm not aware of Robinson arranging attacks on protesters. Are you sure you're not getting mixed up with the attacks arranged by antifa on the EDL's peaceful protests back when Robinson started it?

Edited July 20 by littleyellowbirdie

[A K Narey 206]

The sentences seem very harsh and politically motivated.

[littleyellowbirdie 3,047]

13 hours ago, Iwans Big Toe said:

I wonder how many years those who defaced Stone Henge will get? If they get more it'll tell you a lot about the British judicial system, that they value a piece of rock higher than human life.

 

 

In my view, protecting a historic monument as significant as Stonehenge is more important than the lives of people too stupid to place any value on it.

[Barbe bleu 990]

4 hours ago, dylanisabaddog said:

Very funny. You've even picked their first names for them! 

And he got it wrong.   They were called Lucia and Cressida - JSO is a very diverse bunch, it recruits middle class white people of any age and sex.

And by attacking Oxford University, the British Library, Wimbledon, Twickenham, The Proms, the National Gallery  and, (Clutch pearls) Les Mis they have shown just how wide their pool of life experiences truly is.

I even heard that they travelled to 'The North' once!

 

 

 

Edited July 20 by Barbe bleu

[Barbe bleu 990]

5 hours ago, Fen Canary said:

 bearded Corbyn lookalike pensioners with nothing better to do.

 

Oh come on, that's ridiculous.  Not one of the protestors meets any part of that description.  Not a bored, ageing socialist fed up of saying "no- that's not true Marxism you are describing" to be seen

 

See:

 

 

Edited July 20 by Barbe bleu

[yellow hammer 108]

2 hours ago, Barbe bleu said:

And he got it wrong.   They were called Lucia and Cressida - JSO is a very diverse bunch, it recruits middle class white people of any age and sex.

And by attacking Oxford University, the British Library, Wimbledon, Twickenham, The Proms, the National Gallery  and, (Clutch pearls) Les Mis they have shown just how wide their pool of life experiences truly is.

I even heard that they travelled to 'The North' once!

 

 

 

You forgot Chelsea Flower Show

[Iwans Big Toe 356]

On 19/07/2024 at 13:31, dylanisabaddog said:

Oh dear. 

I don't recall any scientist saying there was going to be a new ice age in 2000. I do remember scientists saying that sea levels would rise. 

Edit. I would suggest meeting for a coffee at Winterton to discuss it but the coffee hut has gone. I don't believe it, it was there a couple of years ago...... 

You're just not going back far enough old boy.

 

 

Edited July 20 by Iwans Big Toe

[DraytonBoy 231]

I wish JSO would focus on getting public support for the cause rather than disrupting ordinary people's lives.  

[Worthy Nigelton 1,232]

It was too heavy handed but I wish they'd stop all this stuff as it just gives the right wing press an excuse to turn people off what is such an unbelievablely important issue.

One thing is for sure, all those above saying lock em up and no sympathy etc... those comments will 100% age extremely badly. That is an absolute certainty as much as night follows day. Love JSO or loathe them, they will definitely be on the right side of history, will you?

[Nik Vawn 342]

On 19/07/2024 at 11:09, dylanisabaddog said:

Try watching the film 'Don't Look Up'. 

Some people find Greta Thunberg and Just Stop Oil annoying. They complain about their actions disrupting everyday lives. That includes some people on this forum who perhaps will think differently in 25 years time when Carrow Road is under water. 

We are facing the greatest threat to the world in thousands of years yet we lock up people who are trying to stop it. 

 

I'm not suggesting the cause isn't the most worthy, indeed as I said I agree with their concerns, the issue is how best to effect change.

[yellow hammer 108]

33 minutes ago, Worthy Nigelton said:

It was too heavy handed but I wish they'd stop all this stuff as it just gives the right wing press an excuse to turn people off what is such an unbelievablely important issue.

One thing is for sure, all those above saying lock em up and no sympathy etc... those comments will 100% age extremely badly. That is an absolute certainty as much as night follows day. Love JSO or loathe them, they will definitely be on the right side of history, will you?

How so? They will impoverish us at the expense of China and India. They've had their fun but the people will see them off

[dylanisabaddog 5,792]

10 hours ago, Worthy Nigelton said:

It was too heavy handed but I wish they'd stop all this stuff as it just gives the right wing press an excuse to turn people off what is such an unbelievablely important issue.

One thing is for sure, all those above saying lock em up and no sympathy etc... those comments will 100% age extremely badly. That is an absolute certainty as much as night follows day. Love JSO or loathe them, they will definitely be on the right side of history, will you?

The problem is that if they stop no one will be talking about it at all. I'm afraid that handing out leaflets at Tesco doesn't work. 

10 hours ago, yellow hammer said:

How so? They will impoverish us at the expense of China and India. They've had their fun but the people will see them off

We lost the manufacturing war to Asia 40 years ago. 

[dylanisabaddog 5,792]

21 hours ago, DraytonBoy said:

I wish JSO would focus on getting public support for the cause rather than disrupting ordinary people's lives.  

How? 

[Worthy Nigelton 1,232]

22 hours ago, yellow hammer said:

How so? They will impoverish us at the expense of China and India. They've had their fun but the people will see them off

If you read any of the (even conservative) predictions of what climate change will bring, then 'impoverishing us' will be way down the list of concerns we will have. 

[yellow hammer 108]

15 hours ago, dylanisabaddog said:

The problem is that if they stop no one will be talking about it at all. I'm afraid that handing out leaflets at Tesco doesn't work. 

We lost the manufacturing war to Asia 40 years ago. 

Yes we did. Because we stopped using cheap energy and started using expensive renewables, thus manufacturing became cheaper to do in Asia where they still use cheap energy. So our products are still made using oil and gas but we let all those jobs go to Asia. And not one less gram of carbon dioxide is produced.

[yellow hammer 108]

3 hours ago, Worthy Nigelton said:

If you read any of the (even conservative) predictions of what climate change will bring, then 'impoverishing us' will be way down the list of concerns we will have. 

You seem to have no qualms about allowing all our manufacturing jobs go to Asia. I suppose you work in the public sector and therefore think your position is safe.

Paul Erlich sketched out his most alarmist scenario for the 1970 Earth Day issue of The Progressive, assuring readers that between 1980 and 1989, some 4 billion people, including 65 million Americans, would perish in the “Great Die-Off.”

 Peter Gunter, a North Texas State University professor, wrote in 1970, “Demographers agree almost unanimously on the following grim timetable: by 1975 widespread famines will begin in India; these will spread by 1990 to include all of India, Pakistan, China, and the Near East, Africa. By the year 2000, or conceivably sooner, South and Central America will exist under famine conditions….By the year 2000, thirty years from now, the entire world, with the exception of Western Europe, North America, and Australia, will be in famine.”

[dylanisabaddog 5,792]

7 hours ago, yellow hammer said:

Yes we did. Because we stopped using cheap energy and started using expensive renewables, thus manufacturing became cheaper to do in Asia where they still use cheap energy. So our products are still made using oil and gas but we let all those jobs go to Asia. And not one less gram of carbon dioxide is produced.

You don't think it might have had something to do with the wages in Asia being 90% lower? 

[yellow hammer 108]

1 hour ago, dylanisabaddog said:

You don't think it might have had something to do with the wages in Asia being 90% lower? 

All prices are lower when you have cheap energy because energy is required for every process. We seem to have forgotten this and prefer to virtue signal to the world that we would prefer to export our manufacturing industries without any savings in CO2 just so we can say we are using renewable. You are Labour. Whatever happened to supporting working people of Britain? Why do you destroy their jobs?

[Herman 10,960]

8 hours ago, yellow hammer said:

Yes we did. Because we stopped using cheap energy and started using expensive renewables, thus manufacturing became cheaper to do in Asia where they still use cheap energy. So our products are still made using oil and gas but we let all those jobs go to Asia. And not one less gram of carbon dioxide is produced.

Well this is absolute nonsense. We moved manfacturing to Asia back in the 80s and 90s thanks to Thatcher/Reagan policies and well before renewable energy became a viable thing. Back to Tufton Street with you and have a good long think about your life.

[Worthy Nigelton 1,232]

8 hours ago, yellow hammer said:

You seem to have no qualms about allowing all our manufacturing jobs go to Asia. I suppose you work in the public sector and therefore think your position is safe.

Paul Erlich sketched out his most alarmist scenario for the 1970 Earth Day issue of The Progressive, assuring readers that between 1980 and 1989, some 4 billion people, including 65 million Americans, would perish in the “Great Die-Off.”

 Peter Gunter, a North Texas State University professor, wrote in 1970, “Demographers agree almost unanimously on the following grim timetable: by 1975 widespread famines will begin in India; these will spread by 1990 to include all of India, Pakistan, China, and the Near East, Africa. By the year 2000, or conceivably sooner, South and Central America will exist under famine conditions….By the year 2000, thirty years from now, the entire world, with the exception of Western Europe, North America, and Australia, will be in famine.”

What on earth are you on about? You're making no sense. If it weren't for the fact this is a Pinkun message board I'd be sure you were a Russian bot.

And no I don't work in the public sector.

[Barbe bleu 990]

On 20/07/2024 at 12:16, A K Narey said:

The sentences seem very harsh and politically motivated.

The longest sentence was 5 years. The maximum sentence for this offence is 10 years (used to be unlimited)

Given this was his 11th offence and he had a suspended sentence hanging over him he might think he is lucky to get half of the maximum.

We don't get to choose which laws we obey and which we break;  we dont  get to ignore the judge who gave us one last chance to reform when we hit double figures; and we don't get to choose which people miss flights, or cancer appointments, or funerals.  We don't get to decide that 750,000 people are inconvenienced because we feel strongly about something; and we don't get to distract and endanger the police who probably have more important things to do than pander to middle class vanity.

Climate change is a real and existential threat but that doesn't mean anything goes. 

[ricardo 7,844]

15 hours ago, Worthy Nigelton said:

What on earth are you on about? You're making no sense. If it weren't for the fact this is a Pinkun message board I'd be sure you were a Russian bot.

And no I don't work in the public sector.

To quote Yogi Berra.

The future ain't what it used to be.

[daly 537]

On 18/07/2024 at 17:41, dylanisabaddog said:

It would beggar belief if we actually had any available prison space. We haven't. Perhaps they'll let some actual criminals out early to accommodate them. 

Cost us £2 million pounds plus Cancer patients could not get to hospitals, ambulances held up

They were warned 4 times in previous court cases they would no to prison

Absolute wasters

[Herman 10,960]

Cancer patients can't get treatment because of the disastrous way the last government handled the NHS = tumbleweed.

A few cancer patients get held up because of protests = outrage.

Maybe people should start getting their priorities right.

[dylanisabaddog 5,792]

7 hours ago, daly said:

Cost us £2 million pounds plus Cancer patients could not get to hospitals, ambulances held up

They were warned 4 times in previous court cases they would no to prison

Absolute wasters

There were an extraordinary number of cancer patients in that queue!