Extinction Rebellion and Just Stop Oil

[Naturalcynic 817]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c880xjx54mpo

So Roger Hallam has finally met his Waterloo.  Probably not before time.

[Naturalcynic 817]

Five years behind bars, and several others also received custodial sentences.

Edited July 18 by Naturalcynic

[Herman 10,988]

Martyrs.

[Herman 10,988]

Am I the only one that thinks 4 and 5 years for peaceful protest is a bit excessive? Punish them for being a pain in the **** by all means but that amount of time?? 

[dylanisabaddog 5,825]

9 minutes ago, Herman said:

Am I the only one that thinks 4 and 5 years for peaceful protest is a bit excessive? Punish them for being a pain in the **** by all means but that amount of time?? 

It would beggar belief if we actually had any available prison space. We haven't. Perhaps they'll let some actual criminals out early to accommodate them. 

[Naturalcynic 817]

I imagine they’ll appeal against the severity of the sentences, but whether that’ll make the slightest difference, who knows.  If you set out to block a motorway, thereby causing massive inconvenience and expense to thousands, not to mention risking serious harm to those with hospital appointments etc, then I suppose you have to accept the outcome.  I’m just amazed that all the others who persistently blocked roads in and around London didn’t also receive lengthy custodial sentences.

[Herman 10,988]

6 minutes ago, dylanisabaddog said:

It would beggar belief if we actually had any available prison space. We haven't. Perhaps they'll let some actual criminals out early to accommodate them. 

Maybe release some Islamists early.... 😉

[Paul101 183]

23 minutes ago, Herman said:

Am I the only one that thinks 4 and 5 years for peaceful protest is a bit excessive? Punish them for being a pain in the **** by all means but that amount of time?? 

these protests cost people £100's of pounds someone I worked with got stuck for 5 hours on his trip to hospital for his cancer checkup  in london then had to come back to norfolk without seeing anyone His views at the time involed a hammer and hitting them a lot

 

countless people would have lost money for not being at work not every buisiness is understanding they should be held liable now in civil court for all claims against them and the just stop oil organisation

 

[Herman 10,988]

8 minutes ago, Paul101 said:

these protests cost people £100's of pounds someone I worked with got stuck for 5 hours on his trip to hospital for his cancer checkup  in london then had to come back to norfolk without seeing anyone His views at the time involed a hammer and hitting them a lot

 

countless people would have lost money for not being at work not every buisiness is understanding they should be held liable now in civil court for all claims against them and the just stop oil organisation

 

The inconvenience IS the point of their protest. Yes it annoys a lot of people and some of their actions have been terribly counter productive, but it how they get their message out.

Just think it could be you one day protesting peacefully over something you think extremely important and getting 5 years for being a nuisance.

[Fen Canary 1,404]

2 minutes ago, Herman said:

The inconvenience IS the point of their protest. Yes it annoys a lot of people and some of their actions have been terribly counter productive, but it how they get their message out.

Just think it could be you one day protesting peacefully over something you think extremely important and getting 5 years for being a nuisance.

If they wanted to protest then they’re free to organise one by with the police with planned routes and detours for traffic etc. What you’re not allowed to do is shut off motorways and stop people getting to work or hospital.

Would you be so forgiving if the EDL had blocked motorways to complain about immigration? Of is it only ok because you support the likes of Just Stop Oil?

Bang them up, they get no sympathy from me. They’ve got the publicity they craved, now they’re paying the bill for it. Hopefully this stops others from attempting similar stunts 

[Naturalcynic 817]

6 minutes ago, Herman said:

The inconvenience IS the point of their protest. Yes it annoys a lot of people and some of their actions have been terribly counter productive, but it how they get their message out.

Just think it could be you one day protesting peacefully over something you think extremely important and getting 5 years for being a nuisance.

But if they did this claiming it was within the scope of what’s commonly considered peaceful protest, then frankly they were taking the p***.

[Herman 10,988]

You're wrong Fen. I'd love the EDL to protest, peacefully, on a motorway. Probably the M6 toll road would be best.

[ricardo 7,846]

Hangin's too good for 'em.

[Canary73 299]

Or you could look at the bigger picture....https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/chris-packham-just-stop-oil-roger-hallam-m25-hugh-fearnleywhittingstall-b1171595.html 

[Naturalcynic 817]

3 minutes ago, Canary73 said:

Or you could look at the bigger picture....https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/chris-packham-just-stop-oil-roger-hallam-m25-hugh-fearnleywhittingstall-b1171595.html 

Bigger picture?  No, just the opinions of Packham et al.

[Canary73 299]

3 minutes ago, Naturalcynic said:

Bigger picture?  No, just the opinions of Packham et al.

which is the case in point 

[Fen Canary 1,404]

31 minutes ago, Canary73 said:

Or you could look at the bigger picture....https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/chris-packham-just-stop-oil-roger-hallam-m25-hugh-fearnleywhittingstall-b1171595.html 

“Jailing of Just Stop Oil protesters ‘direct theft of freedom’ – Chris Packham“

Isn’t that the entire point of sending people to prison? 

[Nik Vawn 342]

I have huge sympathy with the cause but not the method of protest. What was done exceeded my perception of what peaceful protest entails, the reference by the judge to fanaticism was in my view justified but I am happy to be persuaded otherwise by reasoned argument.

[Naturalcynic 817]

10 minutes ago, Nik Vawn said:

I have huge sympathy with the cause but not the method of protest. What was done exceeded my perception of what peaceful protest entails, the reference by the judge to fanaticism was in my view justified but I am happy to be persuaded otherwise by reasoned argument.

Reasoned argument and fanaticism are usually mutually exclusive.

[Herman 10,988]

20 minutes ago, Nik Vawn said:

I have huge sympathy with the cause but not the method of protest. What was done exceeded my perception of what peaceful protest entails, the reference by the judge to fanaticism was in my view justified but I am happy to be persuaded otherwise by reasoned argument.

I have been supportive/understanding of their campaign but they were losing me due to their increasingly desperate and stupid stunts. But I still feel it has been far too heavy handed.

[Mello Yello 2,511]

They should all have been sent down t'pit....and retired t'pit ponies....

[Nik Vawn 342]

12 minutes ago, Herman said:

I have been supportive/understanding of their campaign but they were losing me due to their increasingly desperate and stupid stunts. But I still feel it has been far too heavy handed.

Sometimes a sentence is handed out to serve as a lesson to others not to offend, it does seem harsh but we couldn’t go on allowing motorways to be regularly closed down for hours on end. It saddens me because I support their cause but I couldn’t support some of their latest actions.

[Virtual reality 819]

Looks like the consequences of their own actions to me. Absolutely no sympathy for them and hopefully it will deter others 

Edited July 18 by Virtual reality

[Mello Yello 2,511]

3 hours ago, Herman said:

Martyrs.

...Tomartyrs...

[sonyc 6,109]

25 minutes ago, Mello Yello said:

...Tomartyrs...

Shall we call the whole thing off?

[Mello Yello 2,511]

1 minute ago, sonyc said:

Shall we call the whole thing off?

I bought some of those the other day....I said to the Greengrocer 'Hey mate can you leave the eyes in them spuds as I want them to see me through the week'.....

[ron obvious 1,671]

3 hours ago, Herman said:

Am I the only one that thinks 4 and 5 years for peaceful protest is a bit excessive? Punish them for being a pain in the **** by all means but that amount of time?? 

Perhaps a mass civil lawsuit by all those impacted would be the answer? Bankrupt them & it might change their outlook a bit, insofar as their actions would have meaningful consequences.

[Barbe bleu 1,000]

1 hour ago, Herman said:

I have been supportive/understanding of their campaign but they were losing me due to their increasingly desperate and stupid stunts. But I still feel it has been far too heavy handed.

Take out 'far too heavy handed' and replace with 'a bit too heavy handed' and you'll have my thoughts.

Think the guy irritated the judge, and that means the likelihood of being convicted increases and the sentence gets longer.

[Paul101 183]

4 hours ago, Herman said:

The inconvenience IS the point of their protest. Yes it annoys a lot of people and some of their actions have been terribly counter productive, but it how they get their message out.

Just think it could be you one day protesting peacefully over something you think extremely important and getting 5 years for being a nuisance.

protesting peacefully is on the side of the road , blocking the roads and costing people on min wage and zero hours contracts the money to feed themselves is just middle class priv

[Paul101 183]

1 hour ago, ron obvious said:

Perhaps a mass civil lawsuit by all those impacted would be the answer? Bankrupt them & it might change their outlook a bit, insofar as their actions would have meaningful consequences.

they should be liable for all loss of earnings to everyone involved if it went to a small claims court