Supporter Panel Terms of Reference

[essex canary 622]

These are as shown below

supporterpanelTOR.pdf (canaries.co.uk)

The question must therefore be in terms of an apparent meeting this week which nobody seems to have been aware of, how exactly is the Panel discharging it's role under section 7(a) in order for the Club to meet it's objectives under Section 3 of same?   

[wcorkcanary 4,784]

youre ill, sick , whatever.

[Monty13 2,736]

10 minutes ago, essex canary said:

These are as shown below

supporterpanelTOR.pdf (canaries.co.uk)

The question must therefore be in terms of an apparent meeting this week which nobody seems to have been aware of, how exactly is the Panel discharging it's role under section 7(a) in order for the Club to meet it's objectives under Section 3 of same?   

We’ll get the minutes after according to that?

Why would the rest of us be expected to know about a meeting we can’t go to before it happens?

[essex canary 622]

7 minutes ago, Monty13 said:

We’ll get the minutes after according to that?

Why would the rest of us be expected to know about a meeting we can’t go to before it happens?

How can the Panel 'collate and feedback any points for consideration to the Club at least 10 days before the meeting (TOR 7A) and present the views of all supporters (TOR 6F)' ?  unless it actively asks the supporters say 20 days before the meeting with a closure say 12 days before?

The supporter simply has no idea when and how they are supposed to feed in to facilitate the Club meeting it's obligations under section 3.  Neither this message board or any other such sources could reasonably be considered to meet inclusiveness requirements. 

 

 

[Monty13 2,736]

3 minutes ago, essex canary said:

How can the Panel 'collate and feedback any points for consideration to the Club at least 10 days before the meeting (TOR 7A) and present the views of all supporters (TOR 6F)' ?  unless it actively asks the supporters say 20 days before the meeting with a closure say 12 days before?

The supporter simply has no idea when and how they are supposed to feed in to facilitate the Club meeting it's obligations under section 3.  Neither this message board or any other such sources could reasonably be considered to meet inclusiveness requirements. 

 

 

While that’s a fair point, that’s presumably the supporter panels responsibility?

Edited June 7 by Monty13

[essex canary 622]

35 minutes ago, Monty13 said:

While that’s a fair point, that’s presumably the supporter panels responsibility?

To a degree yes but the Club having created the initiative and in order to meet the requirements of section 3 of same also reasonably need to ensure that they do exactly that. 

[Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,223]

I start this comment by saying two things:

1) Having attended more meetings in my life than I care to remember I hate them with a passion, particularly if nothing really happens as a result of them.

2) I am not Essex Canaries biggest fan.

I think Essex has made a valid point, whilst we receive minutes from panel meetings, usually via this message board, the latest set of minutes do not contain a "Date of Next Meeting" so there is no real transparency of when a future meeting has been arranged.

Assuming it is correct that a meeting has been held since the last one in February it cannot be right that so few supporters knew anything about it.............

[TIL 1010 5,246]

Well I knew the meeting was taking place but then again I have not pi$$ed off Elliot King the guy at NCFC who coordinates these meetings.

Answers on a postcard as to who has.

Elections for new panel members are coming up so one would think a solution will be forthcoming , or maybe not ?

Edited June 7 by TIL 1010

[essex canary 622]

4 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

Well I knew the meeting was taking place but then again I have not pi$$ed off Elliot King the guy at NCFC who coordinates these meetings.

Answers on a postcard as to who has.

Elections for new panel members are coming up so one would think a solution will be forthcoming , or maybe not.

Who has pi55ed off whom shouldn't be a consideration. All that should matter is the professionalism of the process in a spirit of co-operation. For all that the Club seems to know the Panel may have formed the Agenda through a meeting of their mates in the Lion & Castle or the Duck & Swan. This is not what should be happening. We should all be assured that the consultation process is fully inclusive and that all Panel Members and Club Staff have been fully trained for purpose. 

This should be a fundamental requisite of any Panel Item especially a Membership Review that has been alluded to. 

 

[TIL 1010 5,246]

9 minutes ago, essex canary said:

Who has pi55ed off whom shouldn't be a consideration. All that should matter is the professionalism of the process in a spirit of co-operation. For all that the Club seems to know the Panel may have formed the Agenda through a meeting of their mates in the Lion & Castle or the Duck & Swan. This is not what should be happening. We should all be assured that the consultation process is fully inclusive and that all Panel Members and Club Staff have been fully trained for purpose. 

This should be a fundamental requisite of any Panel Item especially a Membership Review that has been alluded to. 

 

Stand for election then but I think we would know the outcome.

Put up or shut up.

Edited June 7 by TIL 1010

[Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,223]

41 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

Well I knew the meeting was taking place but then again I have not pi$$ed off Elliot King the guy at NCFC who coordinates these meetings.

Answers on a postcard as to who has.

Elections for new panel members are coming up so one would think a solution will be forthcoming , or maybe not ?

Genuine question Tilly, how did you know? - Did I miss an e-mail from the club (as far as I am aware I have not pi55ed off anybody at the club)...........

[TIL 1010 5,246]

11 minutes ago, Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB said:

Genuine question Tilly, how did you know? - Did I miss an e-mail from the club (as far as I am aware I have not pi55ed off anybody at the club)...........

One of the Panel members mentioned it in a Facebook post.

I will be the first to say there is a lot wrong with communication and the website with regard to the OSP but essex sees it as a vehicle to infest with his self obsessed agenda having been knocked back at every turn and has now jumped on this particular bandwagon.

Edited June 7 by TIL 1010

[Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,223]

14 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

One of the Panel members mentioned it in a Facebook post.

I will be the first to say there is a lot wrong with communication and the website with regard to the OSP but essex sees it as a vehicle to infest with his self obsessed agenda having been knocked back at every turn and has now jumped on this particular bandwagon.

Thanks for that Tilly and I agree with what you say.......

[GodlyOtsemobor 2,830]

Maybe Zoe can answer the question, try sending another 300 emails, I'm sure she'll answer one this time chap. 

[Monty13 2,736]

1 hour ago, Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB said:

I start this comment by saying two things:

1) Having attended more meetings in my life than I care to remember I hate them with a passion, particularly if nothing really happens as a result of them.

2) I am not Essex Canaries biggest fan.

I think Essex has made a valid point, whilst we receive minutes from panel meetings, usually via this message board, the latest set of minutes do not contain a "Date of Next Meeting" so there is no real transparency of when a future meeting has been arranged.

Assuming it is correct that a meeting has been held since the last one in February it cannot be right that so few supporters knew anything about it.............

Yes ignoring the agenda of the poster, it’s a fair point. 

[Yobocop 1,444]

4 hours ago, essex canary said:

These are as shown below

supporterpanelTOR.pdf (canaries.co.uk)

The question must therefore be in terms of an apparent meeting this week which nobody seems to have been aware of, how exactly is the Panel discharging it's role under section 7(a) in order for the Club to meet it's objectives under Section 3 of same?   

Genuinely when was the last time you got laid? 

think it might help you chill out and stop this type of behaviour which is making you look like the Arnold J Rimmer of this forum 

‘space corp directive…’ 

F off 

 

Edited June 7 by Yobocop

[Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,223]

It is a shame that Essex has an agenda as the point he makes about the lack of communication re the Supporters Panel is a valid one.  I do not think it would take much effort or hurt to post a notification on the NCFC website and/or send out an e-mail announcing the date of the next meeting...............

[Wibble 153]

Personally I really dont get all this supporters panel stuff. Norwich are a business, yes a business involved in entertainment, but a buisiness none the less.

All very experienced staff, I cant see what role any supporter has, doubtfull they are qualified or experenced in the world of high end football multu million businesses.

Be a supporter, enjoy the games, why does everyone feel that they have to be involved in everything these days.

[Lessingham Canary 108]

4 hours ago, TIL 1010 said:

One of the Panel members mentioned it in a Facebook post.

I will be the first to say there is a lot wrong with communication and the website with regard to the OSP but essex sees it as a vehicle to infest with his self obsessed agenda having been knocked back at every turn and has now jumped on this particular bandwagon.

There was a meeting in Tuesday evening that took place with the OSP, sorry to disappoint but Zoe wasn’t present as at an EFL conference, however the legal and governance director stood in.

there will be minutes hopefully by middle of next week, main items were around panel members leaving the panel ( the original) with last years intake who are remaining and the club will announce how they will select new members for next season soon.

Majority of the meeting was a review of items OSP had participated in ( a sounding board, its main purpose) over the last 12 months.

i won’t comment on anything else discussed until minutes are published, as there will be a few bits that are not ready for publicising as either awaiting sign off or may not happen at all.

i would remind our friend Essex there are some great NCFC supporters on that panel most of who travel home and away, and have done for many years in some cases, and never in the last 3 years has a leak come from the panel on any discussions, simply because it would be wrong too.

Also as already pointed out, the panel isn’t there to comment on how the club should be run, business wise or footballing wise, why would they, there are people running our club on a daily basis better than of us ever could.

They bounce off the panel to get a reaction, which does not necessarily mean the reaction will veto any plans, but it does allow the club to consider how things might be greeted on a wider scale.

i do urge anyone with a genuine interest puts themselves forward at the next opportunity, do not expect any personal gain or benefit, just the knowledge that your club does consider the wider supporter base even when things are not going the way the majority wish.

when I joined I was elected based on votes by fellow fans, as were the original panel, if the club chooses that route this summer I will definitely cast my vote for any individual I believe has the clubs interest foremost.

thanks

Lessingham Canary

[TIL 1010 5,246]

Thanks for that @Lessingham Canary but the trouble is somebody will fail to read the room and blunder on.

[Wibble 153]

Really couldnt give two hoots, just comes across as we are bettwr supporters than you, and thats what they want, i bet its very diverse as well.

 

Jesus, just enjoy the football and get another hobby, let the professionals take care of it, they can handle the scampi and flag situation im sure.

[Corbs1 167]

12 hours ago, Wibble said:

Really couldnt give two hoots, 

If you’re not interested in democracy that’s fine, but thankfully others want to participate and influence from the grass roots - the football club being the most important community institution in many people’s lives. 

[Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,223]

16 hours ago, Lessingham Canary said:

There was a meeting in Tuesday evening that took place with the OSP, sorry to disappoint but Zoe wasn’t present as at an EFL conference, however the legal and governance director stood in.

there will be minutes hopefully by middle of next week, main items were around panel members leaving the panel ( the original) with last years intake who are remaining and the club will announce how they will select new members for next season soon.

Majority of the meeting was a review of items OSP had participated in ( a sounding board, its main purpose) over the last 12 months.

i won’t comment on anything else discussed until minutes are published, as there will be a few bits that are not ready for publicising as either awaiting sign off or may not happen at all.

i would remind our friend Essex there are some great NCFC supporters on that panel most of who travel home and away, and have done for many years in some cases, and never in the last 3 years has a leak come from the panel on any discussions, simply because it would be wrong too.

Also as already pointed out, the panel isn’t there to comment on how the club should be run, business wise or footballing wise, why would they, there are people running our club on a daily basis better than of us ever could.

They bounce off the panel to get a reaction, which does not necessarily mean the reaction will veto any plans, but it does allow the club to consider how things might be greeted on a wider scale.

i do urge anyone with a genuine interest puts themselves forward at the next opportunity, do not expect any personal gain or benefit, just the knowledge that your club does consider the wider supporter base even when things are not going the way the majority wish.

when I joined I was elected based on votes by fellow fans, as were the original panel, if the club chooses that route this summer I will definitely cast my vote for any individual I believe has the clubs interest foremost.

thanks

Lessingham Canary

Thanks for that Lessingham, personally I do not doubt the people on the panel and I understand its purpose. However it would not hurt to make it more visible when meetings are going to take place to enable fans in general to feed into the panel should they so wish. For example the last set of minutes did not have a "Date of Next Meeting"  which is standard practice based on the countless meetings I had to endure in a previous life 😀................ 

 

[Corbs1 167]

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[GMF 1,010]

1 hour ago, Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB said:

Thanks for that Lessingham, personally I do not doubt the people on the panel and I understand its purpose. However it would not hurt to make it more visible when meetings are going to take place to enable fans in general to feed into the panel should they so wish. For example the last set of minutes did not have a "Date of Next Meeting"  which is standard practice based on the countless meetings I had to endure in a previous life 😀................ 

 

Date of next meeting is a fair observation, although, as it subsequently turned out, this one was then rearranged.

Sounding board v fan input, that’s an interesting observation…

[Graham Paddons Beard 2,791]

19 hours ago, Lessingham Canary said:

 

They bounce off the panel to get a reaction, which does not necessarily mean the reaction will veto any plans, but it does allow the club to consider how things might be greeted on a wider scale.

i do urge anyone with a genuine interest puts themselves forward at the next opportunity, do not expect any personal gain or benefit, just the knowledge that your club does consider the wider supporter base 

thanks

Lessingham Canary

What would be interesting @Lessingham Canary are matters that you feel the OSP has substantially influenced. 

I’m a natural cynic. I recall the PR on the badge change . It said the club had “consulted” with fans (I’m assuming the OSP). I’m interested in the subtleties- were you consulted on changing the badge , or were you provided with badges a, b and c to see which one you preferred? You’ll appreciate the difference .   

I hope the OSP genuinely gets its opinions heard and doesn’t just tick a box for “consultation”. 
 

Yours curiously . GPB 

Edited June 8 by Graham Paddons Beard

[Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,223]

1 hour ago, GMF said:

Date of next meeting is a fair observation, although, as it subsequently turned out, this one was then rearranged.

Sounding board v fan input, that’s an interesting observation…

Dare I point to Paragraph 3 (Aims and Objectives) , bullet point one -  "Supporters to ask questions of the club via the Panel" , which is somewhat difficult to do if you do not know when the meetings are due to be held 😀..........

[essex canary 622]

1 hour ago, GMF said:

Date of next meeting is a fair observation, although, as it subsequently turned out, this one was then rearranged.

Sounding board v fan input, that’s an interesting observation…

Why then was June 4th a good choice of alternative when the ED was otherwise engaged and when there would have been insufficient time to digest any issues arising from a potential trip to Wembley?

So what exactly does Sounding Board v Fan Input actually mean? The former is directly quoted in section 3 of the TORs which also refers to 'enabling supporters to ask questions of the Club via the Panel alongside supporters views being promoted and considered in decision making' .

It is just another example of poor communication, documentation and planning upon the issue of supporter engagement. Other examples of which are non user friendly website design, outmoded Season Ticket T&C's and Article 8 of the Articles of Association. The last 2 of which would be addressed by the paper I submitted.

Can we have a commitment to improve the situation?  

  

[Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,223]

1 hour ago, GMF said:

Date of next meeting is a fair observation, although, as it subsequently turned out, this one was then rearranged.

Sounding board v fan input, that’s an interesting observation…

Sorry.............

[Terminally Yellow 2,614]

On 07/06/2024 at 09:17, essex canary said:

These are as shown below

supporterpanelTOR.pdf (canaries.co.uk)

The question must therefore be in terms of an apparent meeting this week which nobody seems to have been aware of, how exactly is the Panel discharging it's role under section 7(a) in order for the Club to meet it's objectives under Section 3 of same?