Where next, Ben Gibson ?

[Midlands Yellow 4,721]

5 minutes ago, hogesar said:

Despite some of the trolling on this thread it should be pretty obvious that Gibson wasn't on 40-50k in the championship with us. In the Prem, far more believable.

That should be unbelievable in the Premier League. He was woeful. 

[Mario Harpershite 27]

5 minutes ago, hogesar said:

Despite some of the trolling on this thread it should be pretty obvious that Gibson wasn't on 40-50k in the championship with us. In the Prem, far more believable.

He was still on the same contract as when we were in the Prem though, no? Assuming so, if we accept he was on £50k in the Prem then he could well have been on £40k after a reduction due to a relegation clause? 

I’ve no idea what he was on but I don’t struggle with the logic that it was in that ball park. 

[BigFish 2,335]

48 minutes ago, Terminally Yellow said:

A club with resources as limited as ours can't do these extensive twenty out, twenty in rebuilds. I suspect you'll now see a couple of big outs (to cover the losses this club makes), two or three free transfer incomings and a couple of loans (I suspect Knapper will be a far greater user of the loan system than Webber). 

Edit: Should have added this is in addition to the CB purchase we're making, who I suspect will probably be it in terms of fees unless we make some substantial sales above and beyond the figures needed to balance the books. 

True, which is why McCallum is out. If he was offered a contract, although I haven't seen any confirmation of this, it was probably on reduced terms. This is commiserate with his value on the market, and to the club. The days of two experienced left backs vieing for a place in our team is over.

[hogesar 10,968]

34 minutes ago, Midlands Yellow said:

That should be unbelievable in the Premier League. He was woeful. 

He was signed permanently after an excellent loan spell from a championship title win, so it's hardly surprising he was able to demand those wages being Farkes preferred CB

[Midlands Yellow 4,721]

8 minutes ago, hogesar said:

He was signed permanently after an excellent loan spell from a championship title win, so it's hardly surprising he was able to demand those wages being Farkes preferred CB

Maybe that’s true but you soon could see why Dyche never touched him in the PL. where do you think he’ll end up? 

[king canary 8,991]

17 minutes ago, hogesar said:

He was signed permanently after an excellent loan spell from a championship title win, so it's hardly surprising he was able to demand those wages being Farkes preferred CB

I'd imagine he agreed permanent wages before the loan move as the deal was agreed to be permanent if we got promoted.

He'd still have been in a good negotiating position though- people forget he was (pre Burnley) a player who'd impressed in the premier league and had been in the England squad.

[hogesar 10,968]

22 minutes ago, Midlands Yellow said:

Maybe that’s true but you soon could see why Dyche never touched him in the PL. where do you think he’ll end up? 

In the championship. No lower.

[The Dog 52]

Gibson has interest from America. 

[hogesar 10,968]

48 minutes ago, king canary said:

I'd imagine he agreed permanent wages before the loan move as the deal was agreed to be permanent if we got promoted.

He'd still have been in a good negotiating position though- people forget he was (pre Burnley) a player who'd impressed in the premier league and had been in the England squad.

True but I suspect the loan to permanent was dependent upon promotion or similar.

[king canary 8,991]

25 minutes ago, hogesar said:

True but I suspect the loan to permanent was dependent upon promotion or similar.

Yeah but for those you still usually need to have agreed the wages in advance 

[SwearyCanary 1,372]

My biggest issue with Gibson is that he was allegedly a very big vocal agitator in the dressing room that influenced the Farke sacking. Aside from his poor performances, slow play, mistakes, inability to pick a pass for an advertised ‘ball playing defender’ (and I like many thought he would be great when we dropped back down to champs level relatively). I feel the former is a little unforgivable, but expect few to believe my source for this info, which was someone deep inside the camp that I met in a pub (I will protect their anonymity) 

[wcorkcanary 4,841]

On 31/05/2024 at 20:03, MC_NCFC said:

Part of the club is far more open to the freedom of information being shared across fans. They see us very much as those that pay to sign these players and therefore have changed their approach. Anything we get told is free to be shared hence why they involve supporters groups. They are expecting us to tell our members 

You are Essex from another dimension and i claim my €6.37

[wcorkcanary 4,841]

23 hours ago, Branston Pickle said:

I think we used to say ‘Chinny reckon’ when I was at school….

That's odd ,so did we.

[essex canary 632]

On 31/05/2024 at 20:03, MC_NCFC said:

Part of the club is far more open to the freedom of information being shared across fans. They see us very much as those that pay to sign these players and therefore have changed their approach. Anything we get told is free to be shared hence why they involve supporters groups. They are expecting us to tell our members 

I believe the part of the Club bit whilst another part of the Club does the exact opposite. Typical NCFC. The individuals make it up as they go along depending on how they feel on whatever day. 

[Greavsy 2,662]

6 hours ago, essex canary said:

The individuals make it up as they go along depending on how they feel on whatever day. 

Sounds familiar 🤔 

[canarybubbles 2,212]

I don't often agree with Hogesar, but on this one I do - IMO Gibson was the best central defender we had, at least on the ground. It wasn't his fault that he was always paired with someone who looked as fluid as an elephant when asked to play out from the back, which put enormous pressure on Gibson as the only one capable of it. Again it's just my opinion, but Gunn is a far better distributor of the ball than any of Duffy, Batth or Hanley. The first of these, especially, is a disaster waiting to happen when the ball is on the floor.

Also Wagner's way of playing out from the back, with a huge gap in midfield, didn't help central defenders who were not naturally gifted in terms of ball control and passing.

[Mason 47 2,040]

All I've really taken from this thread is that Gibson was definitely on 60k per week. Ridiculous state of affairs. Webber ou.. oh. Gibson ou.. oh. 

[shefcanary 3,096]

19 hours ago, Terminally Yellow said:

Edit: Should have added this is in addition to the CB purchase we're making, who I suspect will probably be it in terms of fees unless we make some substantial sales above and beyond the figures needed to balance the books. 

I've said elsewhere that Cordoba's fee is "strangely similar" to the fee we're getting for Tzolis. Another sign of the balanced budget the club is working to?

[Soldier on 303]

Will be an intriguing window as the exciting January that Wagner alluded to didn’t materialise. 
 

I wonder if we are still in for Varane who was linked back then ?

[chicken 3,142]

33 minutes ago, shefcanary said:

I've said elsewhere that Cordoba's fee is "strangely similar" to the fee we're getting for Tzolis. Another sign of the balanced budget the club is working to?

And no doubt less in wages...

[RobJames 922]

On 31/05/2024 at 18:32, RobJames said:

Stoke, it would appear

Do keep up, young lad 😉

https://www.pinkun.com/sport/norwich-city/24360104.released-city-defender-ben-gibson-set-sign-stoke/

[essex canary 632]

According to Football League World Gibson was on £40,000 per week, Baath on £10,000, McCallum on £13,269 and Giannoulis on £7,500. 

Still more than a bit to go to save the £20 million or so that we need. The last 3 are likely the sort of money we can afford for all of them going forward.

[Soldier on 303]

6 minutes ago, essex canary said:

According to Football League World Gibson was on £40,000 per week, Baath on £10,000, McCallum on £13,269 and Giannoulis on £7,500. 

Still more than a bit to go to save the £20 million or so that we need. The last 3 are likely the sort of money we can afford for all of them going forward.

Wonder what Cordoba is being paid ? given he seemingly had the choice between us and Rangers 

[Fen Canary 1,464]

2 minutes ago, Soldier on said:

Wonder what Cordoba is being paid ? given he seemingly had the choice between us and Rangers 

I’ve heard we outbid the Saudis for him, they were prepared to match his wages to Ronaldo’s 

[Bethnal Yellow and Green 2,518]

46 minutes ago, essex canary said:

According to Football League World Gibson was on £40,000 per week, Baath on £10,000, McCallum on £13,269 and Giannoulis on £7,500. 

Still more than a bit to go to save the £20 million or so that we need. The last 3 are likely the sort of money we can afford for all of them going forward.

Might as well ask the fella down the pub how much the players are paid. All these websites are just guesswork and should not be given any credibility. 

[essex canary 632]

10 hours ago, essex canary said:

According to Football League World Gibson was on £40,000 per week, Baath on £10,000, McCallum on £13,269 and Giannoulis on £7,500. 

Still more than a bit to go to save the £20 million or so that we need. The last 3 are likely the sort of money we can afford for all of them going forward.

If we take these figures and apply to minutes on the pitch last season the relative costs are:

Baath £740, Gibson £670, McCallum £380 and Giannoulis £150.

Probably an average £250 or thereabouts required next season.

[Branston Pickle 4,172]

2 minutes ago, essex canary said:

If we take these figures and apply to minutes on the pitch last season the relative costs are:

Baath £740, Gibson £670, McCallum £380 and Giannoulis £150.

Probably an average £250 or thereabouts required next season.

We could take those figures and multiply them by a factor of absolutely anything at all - we would still come out with a load of garbage as no one knows the true amounts.

At least doing a small spot of maths kept you busy. 

[TheBaldOne66 768]

10 hours ago, essex canary said:

According to Football League World Gibson was on £40,000 per week, Baath on £10,000, McCallum on £13,269 and Giannoulis on £7,500. 

Still more than a bit to go to save the £20 million or so that we need. The last 3 are likely the sort of money we can afford for all of them going forward.

You really think McCallum earned more than an international like Giannoulis? You really are as stupid as you come across on here constantly if you do 🤣🤣🤣

[essex canary 632]

5 minutes ago, TheBaldOne66 said:

You really think McCallum earned more than an international like Giannoulis? You really are as stupid as you come across on here constantly if you do 🤣🤣🤣

Wasn't the strategy for recruiting foreign players being that they are cheaper?

[Fen Canary 1,464]

26 minutes ago, essex canary said:

Wasn't the strategy for recruiting foreign players being that they are cheaper?

 Cheaper to buy. I’d wager their agents would have an idea about the going rate for wages so you wouldn’t be able to get them much cheaper