Pinkun General Election thread (ID required)

[Daz Sparks 1,539]

2 minutes ago, Naturalcynic said:

I don’t have much time for Farage, but because of the sheer hatred constantly heaped on him by the left I really hope he’s elected just to annoy them even more.

The left, or anyone with a shred of decency.

[Daz Sparks 1,539]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/rishi-sunak-john-curtice-labour-prime-minister-david-cameron-b2572395.html

Rishi still being Prime Minister; more chance of "lightning striking twice in the same place." 

[TheGunnShow 7,082]

[dylanisabaddog 5,783]

Last report from the front. I finished leaflets etc last night. One of my colleagues reported that he had to bend down to post a leaflet through a letter box almost on the ground. He pushed it through and someone on the other side pushed it back out and shouted "vote Reform" through the letter box. He had to be laying on the floor to do it.

It's been a strange few weeks although last night my dog and I were applauded by a group of people. I initially thought they were taking the **** but it was genuine and a bit heartwarming. 

[Barbe bleu 990]

1 hour ago, Naturalcynic said:

I don’t have much time for Farage, but because of the sheer hatred constantly heaped on him by the left I really hope he’s elected just to annoy them even more.

I dont agree with you but I see completely where you are coming from.   The 'left' didn't enrol in charm school and a lot of what it does just pushes people away and into the welcoming arms of farage and others.    They also refuse to acknowledge this.

Reform have probably got the ability to implode, so in the long run the damage the left activists do might not matter in this regard. However, i do wish they would stay away from environmental issues.   All political parties (including the greens) have move away from the environment as a political priority and I'm convinced that part of the reason is the left poisoning minds against it.

 

[Yellow Fever 4,316]

8 hours ago, Well b back said:

Would happily have Tories / Lib Dem’s win 30 more seats if it means Farage not winning Clacton. 

My suspicion is that last minute shifts will have the Tories do a little better mainly at Reform's expense. The Putin comments and the rotting Reform underbelly will shift a few of the more rational right back to Sunak. That will probably translate into Tories getting approaching 100 or so seats. 

[Yellow Fever 4,316]

4 minutes ago, Barbe bleu said:

I dont agree with you but I see completely where you are coming from.   The 'left' didn't enrol in charm school and a lot of what it does just pushes people away and into the welcoming arms of farage and others.    They also refuse to acknowledge this.

Reform have probably got the ability to implode, so in the long run the damage the left activists do might not matter in this regard. However, i do wish they would stay away from environmental issues.   All political parties (including the greens) have move away from the environment as a political priority and I'm convinced that part of the reason is the left poisoning minds against it.

 

I think think this is pot kettle black. Could equally write - 

I don't agree with you but I see completely where you are coming from.   The 'right' didn't enroll in charm school and a lot of what it does just pushes people away and into the welcoming arms of the left and others.    They also refuse to acknowledge this. 

Indeed in many ways the common 'right' has far less 'charm' - it's vulgar and uncouth and unthinking i.e. Robinson than the far 'left'. Much of the left seems in response to this 'right'.

[Herman 10,946]

If Barbe and Cynic can't see why people hate fascist grifter Farage and his bigoted mates then they have the problem not everyone else. 

[canarydan23 4,638]

16 hours ago, dylanisabaddog said:

I'm hugely disappointed that they are prepared to behave like this and I'm now more opposed to PR than ever before. 

That's a bizarre take. A local constituency party behaves in a dishonest way with election materials and that makes you more opposed to PR?

I saw a man take a **** in the woods near the park yesterday and now I'm even more opposed to the triple lock!!!

I'm being flippant of course, but the irony is it's FPTP that makes parties do this in local constituencies. Labour have been guilty of it too. Do it's even stranger that you would use this behaviour to firm up your anti-PR stance.

[sonyc 6,061]

1 hour ago, Naturalcynic said:

I don’t have much time for Farage, but because of the sheer hatred constantly heaped on him by the left I really hope he’s elected just to annoy them even more.

It's this kind of comment that puts me off this place (and posters). You can dislike a famous politician and what he (or she) stands for. You can post why you think so. You can like what a person has to say even if you've not particularly liked them before for their world view. Nothing is fixed in life. Left and Right are just bloody labels used to categorise so it makes it easy to draw your lines. There is no sheer hatred. Maybe if someone had killed your child or a friend or something near equivalent? One might feel hatred then. It would be hard to forgive.

Farage will say things I might agree with. Doesn't mean I don't think he could well be a malevolent force in UK politics. Even you don't like him and have much time for him. However, you hope he gets in purely to annoy people you really dislike. The deep feeling is in you therefore isn't it? Nothing very naturally cynical about that - that's the name you've given yourself, presumably to say something about yourself to others. Actually you deeply dislike anyone who isn't like you. That includes (weirdly) anyone at all from the left. People who probably share as much with you than you might ever believe (music, arts, natural world, family, ideas of service and do on). People who might one day look after you or your family. Not everyone on the 'left' is worthy of your hate. The same for the right. Plenty of people on these threads (I would argue who are far more conservative than me...or 'right' that I can at least respect. In fact the majority of people on the Pinkun are probably more  of the centre ground).

I feel that is enough of me responding to this. Because it will make zero difference (but never stopped me trying in the past). I will say that in our little community where I live there are a real mix of old fashioned values all about and some more idealist types. But folk look out for one another, politics are irrelevant in the final scheme of things. Just because someone doesn't like what people like Farage stand for (it's on public record and you can see the cut of the man by seeing how he responds to scrutiny. A fairly unpleasant sort you might also agree).

Who cares what 'lefties' think of someone anyway? So what? They might be right though. It's what is good about the country....free speech. There is no sheer hatred. That's a comment that I think is very unfair. Unreasonable.

You'll probably get your wish so when he is elected it might be a little island of joy for you? I would look though at other joys in life than know some people are annoyed by it. We've had 14 years of a self serving lying government (on many occasions) and one that has been particularly divisive but we've had to put up with it. Moat people just want to see some change in direction. Moat people don't want more division of society. They want the country to begin to heal and services to be restored.  That's what they really want and is why one party, Labour on this occasion, is massively ahead in the polls. Farage has simply seen an opportunity from all the chaos (and so his US plans were dropped).

 

[ricardo 7,843]

9 hours ago, TheGoogler said:

But looking forward to more sensible and down to earth politics. And price fixed croissants. 

By far the best manifesto 👍

[MooreMarriot 334]

Theresa May .

Not much cop as a PM but a very polite lady :

 

https://x.com/LukeGrahamUK/status/1807378207911412175?mx=2

Edited July 3 by MooreMarriot
Changed it to "polite "

[dylanisabaddog 5,783]

1 minute ago, MooreMarriot said:

Theresa May .

Not much cop as a PM but a very nice lady :

 

https://x.com/LukeGrahamUK/status/1807378207911412175?mx=2

A very nice lady who came up with the idea of sending the Windrush people home. And did next to nothing about Grenfell. 

[Nuff Said 5,753]

2 minutes ago, MooreMarriot said:

Theresa May .

Not much cop as a PM but a very nice lady :

 

https://x.com/LukeGrahamUK/status/1807378207911412175?mx=2

Ring doorbells. The bane of my life when canvassing. I never know what to do when that “we’re not in right now…” voice starts. TBF to Theresa May (I can’t quite believe I said that) she handled it with aplomb.
 

Them and blocks of flats. How are you supposed to get in to deliver leaflets?

[Yellow Fever 4,316]

Saw this article by Gordon Brown. I think he sums up what's at stake.

And for the record I think he was actually a very good PM in very difficult circumstances (global financial crash), and history will be a little kinder to Sunak than the polls tommorow. 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jul/03/election-reject-nigel-farage-version-britain-get-real-country-back

[Yellow Fever 4,316]

18 minutes ago, sonyc said:

It's this kind of comment that puts me off this place (and posters). You can dislike a famous politician and what he (or she) stands for. You can post why you think so. You can like what a person has to say even if you've not particularly liked them before for their world view. Nothing is fixed in life. Left and Right are just bloody labels used to categorise so it makes it easy to draw your lines. There is no sheer hatred. Maybe if someone had killed your child or a friend or something near equivalent? One might feel hatred then. It would be hard to forgive.

Farage will say things I might agree with. Doesn't mean I don't think he could well be a malevolent force in UK politics. Even you don't like him and have much time for him. However, you hope he gets in purely to annoy people you really dislike. The deep feeling is in you therefore isn't it? Nothing very naturally cynical about that - that's the name you've given yourself, presumably to say something about yourself to others. Actually you deeply dislike anyone who isn't like you. That includes (weirdly) anyone at all from the left. People who probably share as much with you than you might ever believe (music, arts, natural world, family, ideas of service and do on). People who might one day look after you or your family. Not everyone on the 'left' is worthy of your hate. The same for the right. Plenty of people on these threads (I would argue who are far more conservative than me...or 'right' that I can at least respect. In fact the majority of people on the Pinkun are probably more  of the centre ground).

I feel that is enough of me responding to this. Because it will make zero difference (but never stopped me trying in the past). I will say that in our little community where I live there are a real mix of old fashioned values all about and some more idealist types. But folk look out for one another, politics are irrelevant in the final scheme of things. Just because someone doesn't like what people like Farage stand for (it's on public record and you can see the cut of the man by seeing how he responds to scrutiny. A fairly unpleasant sort you might also agree).

Who cares what 'lefties' think of someone anyway? So what? They might be right though. It's what is good about the country....free speech. There is no sheer hatred. That's a comment that I think is very unfair. Unreasonable.

You'll probably get your wish so when he is elected it might be a little island of joy for you? I would look though at other joys in life than know some people are annoyed by it. We've had 14 years of a self serving lying government (on many occasions) and one that has been particularly divisive but we've had to put up with it. Moat people just want to see some change in direction. Moat people don't want more division of society. They want the country to begin to heal and services to be restored.  That's what they really want and is why one party, Labour on this occasion, is massively ahead in the polls. Farage has simply seen an opportunity from all the chaos (and so his US plans were dropped).

 

It's the unthinking 'sheer' hatred of others that of course fuels all the 'isms'. No attempt at understanding. Us and 'them'.  Dehumanized. Currently exemplified in the Israel-Gaza conflict.

[horsefly 5,149]

44 minutes ago, Barbe bleu said:

The 'left' didn't enrol in charm school and a lot of what it does just pushes people away and into the welcoming arms of farage and others.    They also refuse to acknowledge this.

You're seriously suggesting people contemplating voting for Labour were "pushed into the welcoming arms of Farage" by "un-charming lefties" are you? you really think that people contemplating voting labour were charmed by the bigotry and racism demonstrably rife within Reform UK Ltd? Can't say I'm persuaded by your analysis.

[horsefly 5,149]

7 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

Saw this article by Gordon Brown. I think he sums up what's at stake.

And for the record I think he was actually a very good PM in very difficult circumstances (global financial crash), and history will be a little kinder to Sunak than the polls tommorow. 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jul/03/election-reject-nigel-farage-version-britain-get-real-country-back

Indeed! It's interesting that Gordon Brown gets a lot more praise and credit from abroad for his interventions in preventing the 2008 global financial crisis turning into a genuine complete meltdown of capitalism. Brown has continued to fight ceaselessly for the poor in the UK; a world apart from the fake patriotism and self-serving lies of Farage's so-called concern for ordinary people.

[king canary 8,397]

32 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

I think think this is pot kettle black. Could equally write - 

I don't agree with you but I see completely where you are coming from.   The 'right' didn't enroll in charm school and a lot of what it does just pushes people away and into the welcoming arms of the left and others.    They also refuse to acknowledge this. 

Indeed in many ways the common 'right' has far less 'charm' - it's vulgar and uncouth and unthinking i.e. Robinson than the far 'left'. Much of the left seems in response to this 'right'.

I think it is a mistake so think either the charmless elements of both sides is driven by the other- some people are just arseholes.

I think the charmlessness of certain parts of the left is exacerbated though by the fact social media generally trends more left wing and a number of the voices that get elevated in left wing discourse on these platforms can be quite unpleasant, particularly those on the US left.  

[A Load of Squit 6,041]

2 hours ago, Naturalcynic said:

I don’t have much time for Farage, but because of the sheer hatred constantly heaped on him by the left I really hope he’s elected just to annoy them even more.

It will annoy Farage the most, he'll have to work for a living, can you see him doing a surgery? Based on his time in Brussels he'll probably top the charts for no shows at Westminster, they'll probably decide it would be a waste of time allocating him an office, he'll have to hot desk.

[Yellow Fever 4,316]

Just now, king canary said:

I think it is a mistake so think either the charmless elements of both sides is driven by the other- some people are just arseholes.

This I agree with although some of the left is clearly in response to the actions of the right.

I don't do social media -  this is thankfully as close as I get. Too many wacko's out there with wacko ideas easily led by the nose.

[king canary 8,397]

10 minutes ago, horsefly said:

You're seriously suggesting people contemplating voting for Labour were "pushed into the welcoming arms of Farage" by "un-charming lefties" are you? you really think that people contemplating voting labour were charmed by the bigotry and racism demonstrably rife within Reform UK Ltd? Can't say I'm persuaded by your analysis.

I don't think it is a crazy thing to suggest? Not all of them but certainly a common refrain you hear from some is that they felt any concerns or worries about immigration were dismissed as racist by Labour and thus they felt they had to look elsewhere. Probably less the case for this election but in the past I think it is fairly uncontroversial to say this.

[horsefly 5,149]

2 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said:

It will annoy Farage the most, he'll have to work for a living, can you see him doing a surgery? Based on his time in Brussels he'll probably top the charts for no shows at Westminster, they'll probably decide it would be a waste of time allocating him an office, he'll have to hot desk.

He would be an insignificant backbench MP who would have to stand up with the other dross to get the Speaker's attention. When he finds out he's not allowed to charge constituents for meetings and email responses you can bet he'll be spending as little time in parliament or his constituency as is possible.

[canarydan23 4,638]

28 minutes ago, Nuff Said said:

Ring doorbells. The bane of my life when canvassing. I never know what to do when that “we’re not in right now…” voice starts. TBF to Theresa May (I can’t quite believe I said that) she handled it with aplomb.
 

Them and blocks of flats. How are you supposed to get in to deliver leaflets?

I got one for free as part of some other purchase, they're a ****ing nightmare. The Alexas only chime intermittently when pressed, so unless I notice my phone vibrate we often miss someone ringing even when the whole bloody house is full. The go live function doesn't always work when we're out and when it does the delay makes conversation painful.

I didn't even realise it had a leave a message function but I'm assuming that's part of the paid for subscription and I won't give those bastards anymore money.

[canarydan23 4,638]

1 minute ago, horsefly said:

you can bet he'll be spending as little time in parliament or his constituency as is possible.

Then me and old Farage would have something in common; we'd both prefer to be anywhere else but Clacton.

[horsefly 5,149]

1 minute ago, canarydan23 said:

Then me and old Farage would have something in common; we'd both prefer to be anywhere else but Clacton.

You're more of a Gt Yarmouth man, then.

[TheGunnShow 7,082]

Let's try that again....

[Nuff Said 5,753]

35 minutes ago, TheGunnShow said:

Let's try that again....

[Nuff Said 5,753]

41 minutes ago, horsefly said:

He would be an insignificant backbench MP who would have to stand up with the other dross to get the Speaker's attention. When he finds out he's not allowed to charge constituents for meetings and email responses you can bet he'll be spending as little time in parliament or his constituency as is possible.

There are several examples (fortunately not many) where Reform or their predecessors actually win some degree of local power and utterly failed to do the job they were elected for. They either didn’t turn up or made **** up on **** up. They are all about gesture politics and dog whistle messages, and soon melt in the light of having to deliver on easy rhetoric.

[cambridgeshire canary 7,565]

So right now Labour are set to win even more seats than they did in 1997. Labour super majority for a decade if not longer.

 

Wonder how the Tories will try and spin this one?