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[Aggy 931]

 

Just now, king canary said:

Hmmm I'm not sure the composition is that similar? 12 judges, appointed by an independent committee (although the Lord Chancellor has to rubber stamp), a mandatory retirement age meaning they aren't appointed for life...

There are as many differences as similarities in my view.

The US judges have a lot more power than ours as well.

Half the countries in the world have a court called the Supreme Court so not overly convinced by the name argument either… 

[Aggy 931]

34 minutes ago, Naturalcynic said:

Why do you persist in calling anyone who isn’t a Momentum supporter a RWNJ? It’s not big, it’s not clever, but it is juvenile and immature.

Any luck with that list of times Tommy Robinson was treated unfairly by Muslims? Would have thought you’d have loads of examples readily available before making such a claim, given how big, clever, non-racist, and mature you are. 

Edited June 30 by Aggy

[Fen Canary 1,383]

12 minutes ago, king canary said:

I'd argue it, like many other issues, in part has been driven by austerity and the Tory mission to cut the state to the bone, meaning claims are taking so much longer to be processed than they were before. This is the point Starmer was making (admittedly a bit clumsily) but has been taken wildly out of context. We have a return agreement with Bangladesh, if we actually processed their applications and sent the rejected ones back there wouldn't be such an issue. Focus on that over gimmicks like Rwanda.

I agree the processing has been a shambles (although in far too many cases even after they’ve been refused it seems to be incredibly difficult to actually get rid of them. It’s going to take a multi dimensional approach of deterrent, fast processing and effective removal to stem the flow and currently we don’t do any particularly well.

My point was that comparing numbers under Blair to today is rather simplistic, as there were much fewer entering Europe and thus much fewer to attempt to cross the Channel. I’m not the drop in numbers was down to anything Blair really did 

[PurpleCanary 6,211]

3 hours ago, Fen Canary said:

It’s a fairly close replica. Thankfully I don’t think the public would have put up with such openly political judges deciding such important decisions 

No, it really isn't. The judicial system in the US, and not just the Supreme Court, is full of political appointees. You do not have that in the UK. Let alone anything like what has been the recent rigging by the Republicans of the Supreme Court, as explained above, but also of federal courts below that level through a long-term operation. Leonard Leo is the name to look up on Wiki.

[Pyro Pete 2,269]

 

[dylanisabaddog 5,792]

8 hours ago, Fen Canary said:

I agree the processing has been a shambles (although in far too many cases even after they’ve been refused it seems to be incredibly difficult to actually get rid of them. It’s going to take a multi dimensional approach of deterrent, fast processing and effective removal to stem the flow and currently we don’t do any particularly well.

My point was that comparing numbers under Blair to today is rather simplistic, as there were much fewer entering Europe and thus much fewer to attempt to cross the Channel. I’m not the drop in numbers was down to anything Blair really did 

The simple fact that there were 80,000 in the country when Blair took over in 1997 would suggest you are wrong. Have you forgotten the thousands that were coming through the tunnel on lorries? 

[Herman 10,958]

Financial Times endorses Labour. With Sunday Times and Economist.👍

[littleyellowbirdie 3,047]

9 hours ago, Fen Canary said:

 

My point was that comparing numbers under Blair to today is rather simplistic, as there were much fewer entering Europe and thus much fewer to attempt to cross the Channel. I’m not the drop in numbers was down to anything Blair really did 

I’d go further and say it was impossible to compare. Ironically, I suspect the number coming through successfully in lorries was far higher due to the greater ease of avoiding detention compared to over water crossings.

Edited July 1 by littleyellowbirdie

[PurpleCanary 6,211]

4 hours ago, Herman said:

Financial Times endorses Labour. With Sunday Times and Economist.👍

From memory the FT did back Labour three times in a row - in the Major-Kinnock election and certainly the first two Blair victories. Can't remember what its stance was for the Brown-Cameron election. One point of their leader of course is rubbish:

But this generation of Tories has squandered its reputation as the party of business, and its claim to be the natural party of government. The party needs a spell in opposition to resolve its internal differences. We would not, though, wish to see the Conservatives so shattered that they are unable to fulfil the role of viable opposition that is vital to British politics.

[Yellow Fever 4,324]

5 hours ago, dylanisabaddog said:

The simple fact that there were 80,000 in the country when Blair took over in 1997 would suggest you are wrong. Have you forgotten the thousands that were coming through the tunnel on lorries? 

The point is that there were huge numbers entering Europe one way or another - and the UK also but by making the French ports more secure and tightening up on the lorries we pushed these unseen irregular immigrants onto the far more 'visible' small boats and the associated public angst.

[Herman 10,958]

2 hours ago, PurpleCanary said:

From memory the FT did back Labour three times in a row - in the Major-Kinnock election and certainly the first two Blair victories. Can't remember what its stance was for the Brown-Cameron election. One point of their leader of course is rubbish:

But this generation of Tories has squandered its reputation as the party of business, and its claim to be the natural party of government. The party needs a spell in opposition to resolve its internal differences. We would not, though, wish to see the Conservatives so shattered that they are unable to fulfil the role of viable opposition that is vital to British politics.

I read that 2005 was the last time they endorsed Labour so they weren't enamoured with Broon by the looks of it. 

[PurpleCanary 6,211]

1 hour ago, Herman said:

I read that 2005 was the last time they endorsed Labour so they weren't enamoured with Broon by the looks of it. 

Thanks! That fits.

[Herman 10,958]

It wasn't him, it was an actor.

[Fen Canary 1,383]

Looks like Reform are more popular than the Lib Dems amongst ethnic minority voters 

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/49877-ethnic-minority-britons-at-the-2024-general-election

[Well b back 3,571]

2 hours ago, Herman said:

It wasn't him, it was an actor.

Has he got the power to disown himself as a candidate ?

[horsefly 5,163]

37 minutes ago, Well b back said:

Has he got the power to disown himself as a candidate ?

Indeed he has. As the majority share holder in Reform UK Ltd he has the sole power to hire and fire at his will. It was why he was able to appoint himself leader and dismiss Tice 3-weeks ago without any kind of selection procedure.

[KiwiScot 1,660]

Anyone not got their postal ballot yet? The more people vote by post is the capacity to get them out going increase,

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/01/thousands-unable-vote-delays-postal-ballots-uk-general-election

[king canary 8,405]

2 hours ago, Fen Canary said:

Looks like Reform are more popular than the Lib Dems amongst ethnic minority voters 

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/49877-ethnic-minority-britons-at-the-2024-general-election

Interesting to see the main beneficiaries of Labour losing voters over Gaza is the greens.

Reforms 'success' amongst minority candidates is the rather vague 'other' category which would be interesting to explore further. 

It does rather ram home the point that, while people like to paint Labour as the party of the latte drinking bleeding heart elites, they are probably lib dems really.

 

[king canary 8,405]

With the latest Tory attack line being that Starmer wants to spend some time with his families on a Friday I've finally worked out who this campaign is aimed at.

It's my old boss.

Lives in a nice house in Wimbledon. Runs a small recruitment agency. Loves a moan about how young people don't like working hard, that wanting 'work life balance' is entitled, working from home is a red flag etc. Also been on linkedin recently talking about how unfair the VAT on Private Schools will be for people like him who don't want their kids to mix with the local riff raff. Talks about how he's got a few mates that are millionaires. Quite a niche demographic to build your whole campaign around.

[Fen Canary 1,383]

36 minutes ago, king canary said:

Interesting to see the main beneficiaries of Labour losing voters over Gaza is the greens.

Reforms 'success' amongst minority candidates is the rather vague 'other' category which would be interesting to explore further. 

It does rather ram home the point that, while people like to paint Labour as the party of the latte drinking bleeding heart elites, they are probably lib dems really.

 

It’s only really the Pakistani/Bangladeshi (Muslim) vote where they trail the Lib Dems amongst ethnic minorities, in all the rest they lead.

I agree about the Lib Dems though, support for them has almost become a middle class status symbol, a protest vote that doesn’t want to be associated with other protest votes 

[king canary 8,405]

7 minutes ago, Fen Canary said:

It’s only really the Pakistani/Bangladeshi (Muslim) vote where they trail the Lib Dems amongst ethnic minorities, in all the rest they lead.

I agree about the Lib Dems though, support for them has almost become a middle class status symbol, a protest vote that doesn’t want to be associated with other protest votes 

When I think Lib Dems I think of their little pockets where they do well like South West London and the areas near Bath. Affluent, well educated but not massively diverse. 

[Fen Canary 1,383]

15 minutes ago, king canary said:

When I think Lib Dems I think of their little pockets where they do well like South West London and the areas near Bath. Affluent, well educated but not massively diverse. 

A coalition of Nimbys and those still obsessed with the EU referendum 

[littleyellowbirdie 3,047]

4 hours ago, Fen Canary said:

Looks like Reform are more popular than the Lib Dems amongst ethnic minority voters 

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/49877-ethnic-minority-britons-at-the-2024-general-election

That doesn’t surprise me. The Lib Dems are very Muslim friendly, while a lot of minorities have stories to tell about being persecuted by Muslims. 

[dylanisabaddog 5,792]

8 hours ago, king canary said:

With the latest Tory attack line being that Starmer wants to spend some time with his families on a Friday I've finally worked out who this campaign is aimed at.

It's my old boss.

Lives in a nice house in Wimbledon. Runs a small recruitment agency. Loves a moan about how young people don't like working hard, that wanting 'work life balance' is entitled, working from home is a red flag etc. Also been on linkedin recently talking about how unfair the VAT on Private Schools will be for people like him who don't want their kids to mix with the local riff raff. Talks about how he's got a few mates that are millionaires. Quite a niche demographic to build your whole campaign around.

I'm actively involved in the local Labour campaign. We have aimed all our resources at people under 45 with mortgages and those who rent privately. They are easy to identify, they tend to live on estates built in the last 20 years. If we persuade them out to vote on Thursday we should win in South Norfolk. 

[Herman 10,958]

 

[TheGunnShow 7,093]

8 hours ago, king canary said:

When I think Lib Dems I think of their little pockets where they do well like South West London and the areas near Bath. Affluent, well educated but not massively diverse. 

That hits me pretty accurately to be fair. Well, maybe not quite the affluent bit. And when I look at Bolton and the Smithills area where they traditionally pretty much nail the local elections every time (to be fair to them, they're much more organised at local level around there compared to the other parties) then that is accurate.

[Daz Sparks 1,539]

You have hand it to Rishi, he is pedalling hard, but I fear his chain has come off and he doesn't know it. 

[Midlands Yellow 4,585]

11 hours ago, KiwiScot said:

Anyone not got their postal ballot yet? The more people vote by post is the capacity to get them out going increase,

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/01/thousands-unable-vote-delays-postal-ballots-uk-general-election

I haven’t received mine either but you don’t need one as long as you know your polling station. 

[KiwiScot 1,660]

1 hour ago, Midlands Yellow said:

I haven’t received mine either but you don’t need one as long as you know your polling station. 

So if it doesn't arrive you just walk up to the polling station as normal or do you need to do an extra step. Plus do you get a polling card? Which I know you don't need just interested to know.

Edited July 2 by KiwiScot

[How I Wrote Elastic Man 1,292]

44 minutes ago, Midlands Yellow said:

I haven’t received mine either but you don’t need one as long as you know your polling station. 

That's not much good for those that can't get to their polling station 😧