Pinkun General Election thread (ID required)

[Naturalcynic 817]

3 minutes ago, Naturalcynic said:

Fiona trying to carry out the hatchet job by herself without bothering to ask the audience for questions.  BBC impartiality at its best.

Ten minutes in and no-one has yet asked Farage anything about his party's policies. It’s all about trying to stitch him up.  

[Herman 10,960]

Hopefully he's getting a proper grilling rather than his usual tummy tickle.

[Barbe bleu 990]

16 minutes ago, Naturalcynic said:

Ten minutes in and no-one has yet asked Farage anything about his party's policies. It’s all about trying to stitch him up.  

They will never learn.

Reform's policies dont stack up- not even close to it, but people ignore that and think that they are cleverer, better politicians than farage. They aren't.

Edited June 28 by Barbe bleu

[horsefly 5,164]

A fine start to what's going to be a bloody great week https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/steve-bannon-must-report-to-prison-on-july-1-after-supreme-court-rejects-last-ditch-appeal/ar-BB1p55tu?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=16b29a81c7d24dd9b059b500d0502cdf&ei=18

[Naturalcynic 817]

3 minutes ago, horsefly said:

A fine start to what's going to be a bloody great week https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/steve-bannon-must-report-to-prison-on-july-1-after-supreme-court-rejects-last-ditch-appeal/ar-BB1p55tu?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=16b29a81c7d24dd9b059b500d0502cdf&ei=18

Shouldn’t that be on the Trump thread?

[Herman 10,960]

No.

[horsefly 5,164]

3 minutes ago, Naturalcynic said:

Shouldn’t that be on the Trump thread?

Have a little guess about what is happening on the 4th of next week. Perhaps you haven't heard so might need to google it.

[littleyellowbirdie 3,047]

12 minutes ago, Naturalcynic said:

Shouldn’t that be on the Trump thread?

Yup: A post about American politics on a British election thread from the same guy who had a tantrum about me insisting on talking about Labour deliberately ignoring its conference regarding reform of the House of Commons electoral system in his thread about Labour’s constitutional reform report.

 Shocking double standards, but true to form.

 

Edited June 28 by littleyellowbirdie

[canarydan23 4,639]

1 hour ago, Barbe bleu said:

They will never learn.

Reform's policies dont stack up- not even close to it, but people ignore that and think that they are cleverer, better politicians than farage. They aren't.

To quote clever, better politician Farage, up the ra.

[Barbe bleu 990]

4 minutes ago, canarydan23 said:

To quote clever, better politician Farage, up the ra.

Ra? Residents association?

I genuinely don't know what you have said there or how to respond.  Are you Joe Biden?

[horsefly 5,164]

9 hours ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

Yup: A post about American politics on a British election thread from the same guy who had a tantrum about me insisting on talking about Labour deliberately ignoring its conference regarding reform of the House of Commons electoral system in his thread about Labour’s constitutional reform report.

 Shocking double standards, but true to form.

 

Read the post halfwit. Its subject matter is the events of NEXT WEEK. Even an idiot like you is probably aware that something relevant to the general election is happening NEXT WEEK, i.e. the general election 🤣

Edited June 29 by horsefly

[canarydan23 4,639]

Just now, Barbe bleu said:

Ra? Residents association?

I genuinely don't know what you have said there or how to respond.  Are you Joe Biden?

At least you didn't express your ignorance regarding the well known saying "up the ra" to hundreds of thousands of people, like clever politician Farage did for £70.

 

[horsefly 5,164]

4 minutes ago, Barbe bleu said:

Ra? Residents association?

I genuinely don't know what you have said there or how to respond.  Are you Joe Biden?

"Up the RA" as in a well known IRA chant that Farage was happy to chant over the internet for an £87 fee.

Edited June 28 by horsefly
You beat me to it Canarydan. Although I'm sure Nige didn't sell himself so cheaply as £70

[Barbe bleu 990]

27 minutes ago, canarydan23 said:

At least you didn't express your ignorance regarding the well known saying "up the ra" to hundreds of thousands of people, like clever politician Farage did for £70.

 

Thanks, I'm not really into sectarian chants about murderous terrorist groups  or the misadventures of nigel farage, so that did pass me by.

Last time i looked farage is everywhere on TV, is about to have a big impact on the election and has brought some pretty hard right views into the mainstream.

So "up the 'ra" probably didn't do any harm.  And nor did the milkshake, coffee cup, bank account, or indeed any of it.

I don't really like farage or what he is doing to our politics and that's why I despair of the constant stream of idiots that feed him and his influence by thinking that they are the special one that can take him down. 

Now what we say on a regional football forum is immaterial but trying to be clever on Question Time at a point when the Reform vote was falling  is folly.

Edited June 28 by Barbe bleu

[Fen Canary 1,388]

8 hours ago, Barbe bleu said:

Thanks, I'm not really into sectarian chants about murderous terrorist groups  or the misadventures of nigel farage, so that did pass me by.

Last time i looked farage is everywhere on TV, is about to have a big impact on the election and has brought some pretty hard right views into the mainstream.

So "up the 'ra" probably didn't do any harm.  And nor did the milkshake, coffee cup, bank account, or indeed any of it.

I don't really like farage or what he is doing to our politics and that's why I despair of the constant stream of idiots that feed him and his influence by thinking that they are the special one that can take him down. 

Now what we say on a regional football forum is immaterial but trying to be clever on Question Time at a point when the Reform vote was falling  is folly.

It does look rather suspicious when in a country where 2/3 of voters say immigration has been too high for the last decade (rising to 3/4 if don't knows are excluded), a politician whose party are polling close to the 20% mark predominantly on an anti immigration platform are seemingly met with an audience with not a single supporter of that position.

I’m no fan of Farage but the BBC simply look idiotic for what was clearly a gerrymandered audience. Now he can (with some justification it must be said) play the victim card and claim that Reform aren’t being treated fairly compared to the other parties, which will likely see his vote share increase 

[Herman 10,960]

Barbe is upset because Farage is being scrutinised by us. Fen is upset because Farage is being scrutinised by the media. I am upset because Farage wasn't scrutinised enough many years ago, (he had his own seat on QT for God's sake), and now the turd is still floating around causing division and hatred in out politics.

[Fen Canary 1,388]

4 minutes ago, Herman said:

Barbe is upset because Farage is being scrutinised by us. Fen is upset because Farage is being scrutinised by the media. I am upset because Farage wasn't scrutinised enough many years ago, (he had his own seat on QT for God's sake), and now the turd is still floating around causing division and hatred in out politics.

I won’t be voting for Farage as I’m not a fan of his Thatcherite economic ideology, but do you not think it’s slightly odd that a party polling at close to 1/5 of voters and and whose stance on immigration numbers is shared by a vast majority of the electorate seemingly had not a single person who supported them in the audience?

This will simply give him more airtime and more than likely more support. It’s right to hold the parties to account (and Reforms economic manifesto doesn’t stand up to the slightest scrutiny) but QT is supposed to represent a cross section of society and that is clearly not that case 

[Herman 10,960]

Maybe he's just not as popular as some people think he is. His online presence and support, especially on twitter, is largely bots and paid for shills. The newspapers aren't on his side or giving him an easy ride this time and QT audiences, which have been skewed in favour of the right for a very long time, are not buying into his "blame immigrants" schtick this time. Hopefully people have finally seen the light.🤞

[dylanisabaddog 5,792]

21 minutes ago, Fen Canary said:

I won’t be voting for Farage as I’m not a fan of his Thatcherite economic ideology, but do you not think it’s slightly odd that a party polling at close to 1/5 of voters and and whose stance on immigration numbers is shared by a vast majority of the electorate seemingly had not a single person who supported them in the audience?

This will simply give him more airtime and more than likely more support. It’s right to hold the parties to account (and Reforms economic manifesto doesn’t stand up to the slightest scrutiny) but QT is supposed to represent a cross section of society and that is clearly not that case 

15% may be close to 1/5th of voters to you but it's actually less than 1/8th.

People who appear on QT have to volunteer to be there. The obvious answers to why they're not there are - 

They didn't volunteer, perhaps because they're slightly ashamed. 

They don't like being in an environment with people who can manage whole sentences. 

 

I'm sorry if this sounds slightly superior but I've just been canvassing for a week. I challenge you to do the same and not reach the same conclusion. The people I have met who have said they're voting Reform are not the brightest light bulbs in the pack. Most of them are too dim to even be in the pack. 

[Fen Canary 1,388]

5 minutes ago, Herman said:

Maybe he's just not as popular as some people think he is. His online presence and support, especially on twitter, is largely bots and paid for shills. The newspapers aren't on his side or giving him an easy ride this time and QT audiences, which have been skewed in favour of the right for a very long time, are not buying into his "blame immigrants" schtick this time. Hopefully people have finally seen the light.🤞

Maybe not, but if he’s polling between 15-20% (much more than the Lib Dems or Greens) you’d expect the audience to vaguely represent those numbers but they clearly didn’t.

As I say this merely plays into his anti establishment narrative so he’ll be delighted with how it went 

[Fen Canary 1,388]

4 minutes ago, dylanisabaddog said:

15% may be close to 1/5th of voters to you but it's actually less than 1/8th.

People who appear on QT have to volunteer to be there. The obvious answers to why they're not there are - 

They didn't volunteer, perhaps because they're slightly ashamed. 

They don't like being in an environment with people who can manage whole sentences. 

 

I'm sorry if this sounds slightly superior but I've just been canvassing for a week. I challenge you to do the same and not reach the same conclusion. The people I have met who have said they're voting Reform are not the brightest light bulbs in the pack. Most of them are too dim to even be in the pack. 

You’re right, that does sound superior. Am I right in assuming you simply dismissed their concerns out of hand? Rather than listen to these people you simply told them they were wrong and carried on until you met some who were more like minded? 

[KiwiScot 1,660]

1 hour ago, dylanisabaddog said:

15% may be close to 1/5th of voters to you but it's actually less than 1/8th.

People who appear on QT have to volunteer to be there. The obvious answers to why they're not there are - 

They didn't volunteer, perhaps because they're slightly ashamed. 

They don't like being in an environment with people who can manage whole sentences. 

 

I'm sorry if this sounds slightly superior but I've just been canvassing for a week. I challenge you to do the same and not reach the same conclusion. The people I have met who have said they're voting Reform are not the brightest light bulbs in the pack. Most of them are too dim to even be in the pack. 

Not to stir the pot that much, but you've just come on a public forum and said you're canvassing for a candidate for parliment and calling their electorate stupid?

Edited June 29 by KiwiScot

[A Load of Squit 6,054]

12 hours ago, Herman said:

No.

Both actors.

[horsefly 5,164]

1 hour ago, Fen Canary said:

I won’t be voting for Farage as I’m not a fan of his Thatcherite economic ideology, but do you not think it’s slightly odd that a party polling at close to 1/5 of voters and and whose stance on immigration numbers is shared by a vast majority of the electorate seemingly had not a single person who supported them in the audience?

This will simply give him more airtime and more than likely more support. It’s right to hold the parties to account (and Reforms economic manifesto doesn’t stand up to the slightest scrutiny) but QT is supposed to represent a cross section of society and that is clearly not that case 

It was no different for Sunak and Starmer on their appearances on BQT. They too were faced with a barrage of hostile audience questions. That's rather the point of the show.

[Aggy 931]

1 hour ago, dylanisabaddog said:

 

They didn't volunteer, perhaps because they're slightly ashamed. 

 

Of course they are. You see it on here - so ashamed of their views that they skirt around things without actually saying them, and wriggle around in whatabouttery and faux outrage when they get called out. 

 

[Barbe bleu 990]

2 hours ago, Herman said:

Barbe is upset because Farage is being scrutinised by us. 

No, wrong, wrong, wrong.

Farage has a special type of attention paid to him, and it feeds him and its movement.

I said this to you very plainly and very clearly last year during bankgate.    All the likes of 'Otto English' are doing with their online mockery is giving him attention and publicity and it won't end well. They are simply encouraging, i said, a guy who has retired from politics to return and giving him the support he needs to do that.   Guess what? one I'm a celebrity and a milkshake or two later, i've been proved right.

I saw that QT.  The best question of all was the one where he was asked how he would fund his spending.   The worst was the take down one which simply gave him a forum to present him and his party as a victim and to explain away some pretty horrific videos that most of us had taken at face value before then.

 

 

 

 

Edited June 29 by Barbe bleu

[Herman 10,960]

You're blaming the yokels for gawking at the monster. Start having a word with the Dr.Frankenstein's who created this mess. The idiots at the BBC, ITV and other media sites that helped him live purely because he was good for ratings. Now they are holding him to account for once and you still don't like it.

[sonyc 6,077]

20 minutes ago, Barbe bleu said:

No, wrong, wrong, wrong.

Farage has a special type of attention paid to him, and it feeds him and its movement.

I said this to you very plainly and very clearly last year during bankgate.    All the likes of 'Otto English' are doing with their online mockery is giving him attention and publicity and it won't end well. They are simply encouraging, i said, a guy who has retired from politics to return and giving him the support he needs to do that.   Guess what? one I'm a celebrity and a milkshake or two later, i've been proved right.

I saw that QT.  The best question of all was the one where he was asked how he would fund his spending.   The worst was the take down one which simply gave him a forum to present him and his party as a victim and to explain away some pretty horrific videos that most of us had taken at face value before then.

 

 

 

 

Farage just needs a small amount of oxygen. He appears an incredibly resistant politician and rolls with the punches like a seasoned boxer. I agree that he gets far too much media attention but that's his schtick. He is another actor like Johnson. Like certain posters on the football side, responses to their antithetical posts just enables them and legitimises them. 

I fear he will be elected and he is going to be a significant disruptor in UK politics for years to come. We've had Brexit split the country and yet maybe it is going to get a whole lot worse. All at at time when far right parties are on the rise in many parts of Europe and beyond. A long while ago I posted that I wondered if history broadly repeats itself in cycles (I used the term enantiodromia) and we've had a 100 year return of a major pandemic, arguably we in the midst of the roaring twenties again. Cities in the 1920s were on their knees post WW1 and so many of ours are struggling (different causes). Will we suffer a depression ahead?  Will there be a market crash again?

I realise some of my comments are poetic licence but you'll get my overall drift.

Farage is an unsettling presence.

It's interesting to observe. Worrying though underneath it all.

Edited June 29 by sonyc

[Fen Canary 1,388]

1 hour ago, horsefly said:

It was no different for Sunak and Starmer on their appearances on BQT. They too were faced with a barrage of hostile audience questions. That's rather the point of the show.

It is, but they also had some supporters amongst the audience for balance. There didn’t appear to be any of that for Farage which plays nicely into his narrative about not getting fair treatment from the likes of the BBC.

If people start thinking that institutions aren’t playing fairly in regards to political parties around elections that to me is a much more dangerous proposition than Farage spouting off about the boats. If people lose faith and believe that their views will be shut down then that’s when genuine bad actors start to gain influence as we’re seeing on the continent

[littleyellowbirdie 3,047]

13 hours ago, horsefly said:

Read the post halfwit. Its subject matter is the events of NEXT WEEK. Even an idiot like you is probably aware that something relevant to the general election is happening NEXT WEEK, i.e. the general election 🤣

‘The Pinkun General Election Thread?’

 Which part of the General election is in the US exactly? Like I said, you’re proof that memorising knowledge from books is no substitute for intelligence.

Edited June 29 by littleyellowbirdie