Pinkun General Election thread (ID required)

[littleyellowbirdie 3,047]

1 minute ago, horsefly said:

Hahahahahahaha! You've never changed your views on anything, no matter how utterly insane they are, and despite what ANYONE has said on this forum in exasperated response.

Calm down, dear. Any minute you're going to start saying 'oh dear', 'bizarrre', 'ignorant' etc.

[horsefly 5,164]

Just now, littleyellowbirdie said:

 

It's a very unpleasant insect with a nasty bit. Sums you up perfectly.

It just gets better, which "bit" is nasty? 🤣🤣🤣 (And you can't even be bothered to google the literary reference to stop yourself looking dumb). Keep it up!

[horsefly 5,164]

2 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

Calm down, dear. Any minute you're going to start saying 'oh dear', 'bizarrre', 'ignorant' etc.

Oh look! A little yellow bird 

[littleyellowbirdie 3,047]

1 minute ago, horsefly said:

It just gets better, which "bit" is nasty? 🤣🤣🤣 (And you can't even be bothered to google the literary reference to stop yourself looking dumb). Keep it up!

Ignorant? You're the one who apparently has no idea that a horsefly is a particularly large fly with a nasty bite and an affinity for manure.

[horsefly 5,164]

3 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

Ignorant? You're the one who apparently has no idea that a horsefly is a particularly large fly with a nasty bite and an affinity for manure.

Thanks so much!!! Willingly compounding your ignorance is truly hilarious, I  haven't laughed so much in ages. I suppose, however, it is a bit mean of me to expect that you might have any kind of familiarity with classical literature.

Edited June 26 by horsefly

[littleyellowbirdie 3,047]

12 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Oh look! A little yellow bird 

Cor, I wonder what littleyellowbirdie might refer to on a Canaries forum?

One thing I'll say for you. You're clearly very well-read with a formidable memory. If it was coupled with the tiniest modicum of intelligence you'd go far.

Edited June 26 by littleyellowbirdie

[dylanisabaddog 5,792]

22 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Hahahahahahaha! You've never changed your views on anything, no matter how utterly insane they are, and despite what ANYONE has said on this forum in exasperated response.

As I said in another thread, LYB takes his name from an unpleasant forces song about smashing a yellow bird's head with a hammer. How delightful. He's no more a Norwich fan than Mark Attanasio. 

Do yourself a favour and click the ignore button. 

[littleyellowbirdie 3,047]

28 minutes ago, dylanisabaddog said:

As I said in another thread, LYB takes his name from an unpleasant forces song about smashing a yellow bird's head with a hammer. How delightful. He's no more a Norwich fan than Mark Attanasio. 

Do yourself a favour and click the ignore button. 

Loser.

[canarydan23 4,639]

2 hours ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

Just heard that one of the people under investigation for political betting won on a bet placed in April: a total of £100 was won.

I hope for the gambling watchdog's sake there are some more significant bets than this that they're investigating; if not then they've interfered in the election .

Lol.

Well in that case let them get away with it. Ridiculous. 

If anything it makes these utter morons even more idiotic for risking so much for such little return. They'd still be trough-snuffling self-serving s(um, but if there was a chance of a decent holiday out of it then I'd see the idea behind it.

[Yellow Fever 4,329]

All this fiasco tells me is that betting is a morally corrosive process.

The small token flutter is fine - lottery, grand national but we really do need to get the wall to wall advertising of betting out of sport and off our TVs. There are far too many who get into problems with it or think its now normal. 

Not popular with some but I suspect a few Tories wish they'd never got involved or had had more backbone and a moral compass.

Its the very definition of fools and their money!

Edited June 26 by Yellow Fever

[Naturalcynic 817]

1 hour ago, dylanisabaddog said:

As I said in another thread, LYB takes his name from an unpleasant forces song about smashing a yellow bird's head with a hammer. How delightful. He's no more a Norwich fan than Mark Attanasio. 

Do yourself a favour and click the ignore button. 

Sadly that would be the standard reaction these days from many on the left.  Block any views you don’t like and build the walls even higher in your little echo chamber.

[dylanisabaddog 5,792]

15 minutes ago, Naturalcynic said:

Sadly that would be the standard reaction these days from many on the left.  Block any views you don’t like and build the walls even higher in your little echo chamber.

Whilst I don't agree with your politics I have no problem with you because you don't make unpleasant personal comments and you don't send other posters extremely offensive private messages. 

Edited June 26 by dylanisabaddog

[king canary 8,406]

10 hours ago, Fen Canary said:

Then you should either use short term work visas for the duration of the picking that doesn’t lead to residency or bite the bullet and let prices rise to their true market value. The current Ponzi scheme of simply importing ever more people to live here is ludicrous 

I don't remember saying I thought it was a good system. What I'm saying is that politicians need to be more upfront about the trade offs that come with policies.

I actually believe that bringing net migration down is a sensible goal- as someone on twitter said recently, the figures are at record levels right now, if it isn't acceptable to want to bring that down now, then when?

But...we need to be more honest about the trade offs that come with it.

One way to reduce net migration is to restrict the number of student visas. But in order to do that, without wrecking the UK HE sector, you'll either need to raise tuition fees or spend more public money on subsidising universities. 

We also want to reduce the reliance on foreign workers in certain key areas like the NHS or social care. Fine, but you then need to invest in training and incentives for people in the UK to want to do these jobs and that costs money, which means higher taxes OR further private involvement in the NHS. Voters though seem to want to be told that we can have all the nice things we want without any trade offs and our politicians of all stripes are happy to support this delusion. 

[horsefly 5,164]

How much Russian interference in the UK election is happening? This statistic from Sky News suggests a huge amount 

Not only is the Reform UK Ltd figure massively disproportionate to the other parties, it is also wildly out of proportion to every single poll of voter intentions. The figures won't come as a surprise to anyone who uses Twitter/X. The site has been plagued for at least a year with Russian po*rn bots of putative single women seeking love and companionship. All of a sudden those have completely disappeared to be instantly replaced by an infestation of supposed Reform UK Ltd posters declaring they will be voting for Farage (interestingly those are mostly women too). Pure coincidence? I think not. It might have helped preserve the integrity of our electoral process had Boris Johnson not refused to release the report into Russian interference in UK politics. Can't think why he was so resistant to that.

 

Edited June 26 by horsefly

[TheGunnShow 7,095]

5 hours ago, horsefly said:

And you're too dumb and ill-read to know what the moniker "horsefly" refers to. Well done for confirming your ignorance 🤣

Now get busy with those expletive laden personal messages, I need a good laugh.

Gotta admit, my first thought was of a gadfly from Sophie's World (or indeed Socrates).

[Naturalcynic 817]

7 minutes ago, TheGunnShow said:

Gotta admit, my first thought was of a gadfly from Sophie's World (or indeed Socrates).

No, I automatically thought of an annoying, noisy, bloodsucking insect with a nasty bite.

[TheGunnShow 7,095]

1 minute ago, Naturalcynic said:

No, I automatically thought of an annoying, noisy, bloodsucking insect with a nasty bite.

Luis Suarez?

[littleyellowbirdie 3,047]

3 hours ago, dylanisabaddog said:

Whilst I don't agree with your politics I have no problem with you because you don't make unpleasant personal comments and you don't send other posters extremely offensive private messages. 

When have I ever sent you personal remarks? This from the person posting about smashing people over the head. Watch what stones you throw from that glass house of yours.

Edited June 26 by littleyellowbirdie

[yellow hammer 108]

@Herman

Hey Herman, I see your Leftie luvvie David Tennant telling a Black woman to 'Shut Up'  Given your love of violence against those of a different political persuasion, shouldn't you be demanding Tennant smacks her in the mouth?

[Herman 10,959]

8 minutes ago, yellow hammer said:

@Herman

Hey Herman, I see your Leftie luvvie David Tennant telling a Black woman to 'Shut Up'  Given your love of violence against those of a different political persuasion, shouldn't you be demanding Tennant smacks her in the mouth?

He's not telling her to shut up because she's black nor because she's a woman. It's because she's a hate filled gob****e that is well out of her depth. I hope that explains it for you, 👍

[Daz Sparks 1,539]

6 hours ago, horsefly said:

Starmer was the son of a toolmaker (mother a nurse). His family certainly were working class by any possible account of his childhood. He attended a state school, which later became a private school while he was already a pupil ( I assume not even you would suggest he should have been thrown out because his parents couldn't afford the fees). The UK legal system in which every person accused of a crime has a right to legal representation is absolutely fundamental to our democracy. Accordingly, defence barristers are required by law to represent any case to which they are independently assigned; they are not allowed to pick and choose who they wish to represent. To suggest that barristers can or should choose who they represent shows extraordinary ignorance of the relationship between the rule of law and democracy. To further claim that defence barristers serving this difficult but fundamentally important role are "slimeballs" or "selling the UK down the river" is not only extraordinarily ignorant, but also an appalling and disgraceful thing to say. Starmer's 5-year tenure as DPP (you couldn't even get that right) was considered across all political parties to have been extremely successful, which was why it was a Tory government that rewarded him with a knighthood for his service.

You may or may not be "far-right" in your political views (evidence on this site seems to provide plenty of evidence that you are). What isn't in doubt is that your particular post denigrating Starmer is appallingly ignorant, filled with lies, and nothing more than the childish abuse of a playground bully.

Thanks for writing this HF, I was going to reply myself, but now you have with the above,  I don't need to. You have amply expressed and more what I was going write, and in your own inimitable manner, makes it better than I can do anyway. 

 

[Yellow Fever 4,329]

2 hours ago, king canary said:

I don't remember saying I thought it was a good system. What I'm saying is that politicians need to be more upfront about the trade offs that come with policies.

I actually believe that bringing net migration down is a sensible goal- as someone on twitter said recently, the figures are at record levels right now, if it isn't acceptable to want to bring that down now, then when?

But...we need to be more honest about the trade offs that come with it.

One way to reduce net migration is to restrict the number of student visas. But in order to do that, without wrecking the UK HE sector, you'll either need to raise tuition fees or spend more public money on subsidising universities. 

We also want to reduce the reliance on foreign workers in certain key areas like the NHS or social care. Fine, but you then need to invest in training and incentives for people in the UK to want to do these jobs and that costs money, which means higher taxes OR further private involvement in the NHS. Voters though seem to want to be told that we can have all the nice things we want without any trade offs and our politicians of all stripes are happy to support this delusion. 

I think you're living in hope about any informed rational debate on this. It was tried before (2016). There was even a post on here a few weeks ago complaining we had lost the useful Polish plumbers (gone home) and now had culturally dissimilar peoples (with dependents). Oddly I could of commented at the time that was EXACTLY what the Leave wanted - peoples from all over the world (after chasing out those local Europeans). I guess they didn't as ever think things through.

We all know we actually have skills shortage in many fields - I even saw it noted that we couldn't actually build 300,000 new homes a year even if we wanted to to as we don't have the workforce.

Anyway - I muse that perhaps we should send all 'Leavers' to one of Johnson's imaginary forty new hospitals with imaginary British doctors and nurses but concentrate all the real ones to areas that are rational and see the value of immigrants.

[littleyellowbirdie 3,047]

5 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

 

We all know we actually have skills shortage in many fields - I even saw it noted that we couldn't actually build 300,000 new homes a year even if we wanted to to as we don't have the workforce.

 

Which in part is down to decades of neglect regarding training the domestic population, leaving them to be long term unemployed, to the detriment of society as a whole.

 To Labour’s credit, they finally seem to get this.

[horsefly 5,164]

2 hours ago, TheGunnShow said:

Gotta admit, my first thought was of a gadfly from Sophie's World (or indeed Socrates).

Spot on Gunny! Originally from Plato's The Apology, the description Socrates uses to describe his (for some) irritating habit of "stinging" people out of lazy complacent thinking.

[TheGunnShow 7,095]

8 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Spot on Gunny! Originally from Plato's The Apology, the description Socrates uses to describe his (for some) irritating habit of "stinging" people out of lazy complacent thinking.

As I said though, I read it in Sophie's World and not directly from the source. Incidentally, instead of all that bloody Shakespeare, I'd actually say Sophie's World should be a book considered for compulsory reading at GCSE English just as it's an ideal primer for most canons of Western philosophical thought, whilst all being wrapped up in an engaging little story.

I did really find myself enjoying the Kierkegaard section until he went all religious though.

[horsefly 5,164]

8 minutes ago, TheGunnShow said:

As I said though, I read it in Sophie's World and not directly from the source. Incidentally, instead of all that bloody Shakespeare, I'd actually say Sophie's World should be a book considered for compulsory reading at GCSE English just as it's an ideal primer for most canons of Western philosophical thought, whilst all being wrapped up in an engaging little story.

I did really find myself enjoying the Kierkegaard section until he went all religious though.

Indeed! It would be a great choice. I remain bemused at how little we teach children about the cultural heritage that has defined Western civilisation. We want the young to be empowered in defence of democracy and free thinking yet teach them virtually nothing about the great thinkers who made those arguments and fought for those ideals in the first place.

Edited June 26 by horsefly

[A Load of Squit 6,054]

2 hours ago, Herman said:

He's not telling her to shut up because she's black nor because she's a woman. It's because she's a hate filled gob****e that is well out of her depth. I hope that explains it for you, 👍

Here's the full text for @Yellowhammer

Mr Tennant is “one of the LGBTQ+ community’s most fierce allies and supporters”, according to the British LGBT Awards, and “often does red-carpet interviews while wearing pins associated with the community, with one particular Doctor Who-themed Tardis badge, designed in the colours of the Trans Pride flag, helping to raise thousands of pounds for charities”.

He said in his acceptance speech: “If I’m honest I’m a little depressed by the fact that acknowledging that everyone has the right to be who they want to be and live their life how they want to live it as long as they’re not hurting anyone else should merit any kind of special award or special mention – because it’s common sense, isn’t it?

“It is human decency. We shouldn’t live in a world where that is worth remarking on.

“However, until we wake up and Kemi Badenoch doesn’t exist any more – I don’t wish ill of her, I just wish her to shut up – whilst we do live in this world, I am honoured to receive this.

“I am thrilled to be here and to be a part of this night. Pride is very important in our house, it’s a family affair, we have skin in the game, so this event tonight thrills me.

“It gives me hope, it gives me fire, it gives me energy and deep joy, and even if I feel I don’t really deserve this, I’m very pleased and very proud to be receiving it.”

 

[Naturalcynic 817]

3 hours ago, Herman said:

He's not telling her to shut up because she's black nor because she's a woman. It's because she's a hate filled gob****e that is well out of her depth. I hope that explains it for you, 👍

Hate-filled gob****e?  After Tennant suggested that things would be better if she didn’t exist any more and that she should shut up, simply because she has a different view to him on what is very clearly a highly contentious subject?  I think the hate lies with him and you, not Badenoch.

[A Load of Squit 6,054]

7 minutes ago, Naturalcynic said:

Hate-filled gob****e?  After Tennant suggested that things would be better if she didn’t exist any more and that she should shut up, simply because she has a different view to him on what is very clearly a highly contentious subject?  I think the hate lies with him and you, not Badenoch.

It's always funny when you RWNJ's use selective quotes.

[Herman 10,959]

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