Centre backs

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3 hours ago, RobJames said:

Jose is left footed. Not sure about the returning loanees.

The thought must be they are being lined up for the following season, when both Duffy and Hanley are out of contract.

The question is whether they are best served by being sat on the bench, or out on another loan. A comment above states that Warner is looking good. Maybe he will stay and, like Omo, get his chance and keep it.

However the first team is NOT a place to develop. You are picked when you are ready. Albeit however good a player is at Colney the prove is on the pitch in a league match. 'Needs must' put Gibbs and Fisher in the squad. I suggest the latter needs a loan, as moving from non league to the Championship is a big leap.

I don't think it is too great a leap to move to RB/LB from a central place in defence. Likewise, I think Godfrey started there, or even right midfield. R Martin swapped as well, so maybe one of these CBs could cover for Stacey.

Plenty of options, whereas we only have Begga Hall at LB. There must be someone special lined up as we let both Gino and McCallum go. Whoever it is (them?) it won't be another aged stop gap.

The olde Duffer has TWO years left on his contract unfortunately!

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Just now, yellowrider120 said:

The olde Duffer has TWO years left on his contract unfortunately!

Crazy isn’t it! Probably the highest paid here too!

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54 minutes ago, Indy said:

Crazy isn’t it! Probably the highest paid here too!

Now that Gibson is gone, I doubt there are many/any on higher wages than Duffy and Barnes. Short-termism at its finest, and to think that Webber criticised the previous regime for lumbering us with Naismith on a long, expensive contract when he was of little use.

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5 hours ago, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said:

Now that Gibson is gone, I doubt there are many/any on higher wages than Duffy and Barnes. Short-termism at its finest, and to think that Webber criticised the previous regime for lumbering us with Naismith on a long, expensive contract when he was of little use.

Indeed, it’s almost full circle, Webber came, criticising the previous regime fir wasting the money, leaving us with a poor squad and debt, he changed it, made a big difference, set up correct and the self destructed in eerily the same manner as the previous regime! Now we find ourselves practically in the same boat! At least we have a swimming pool and semi new owners!

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1 hour ago, Indy said:

Indeed, it’s almost full circle, Webber came, criticising the previous regime fir wasting the money, leaving us with a poor squad and debt, he changed it, made a big difference, set up correct and the self destructed in eerily the same manner as the previous regime! Now we find ourselves practically in the same boat! At least we have a swimming pool and semi new owners!

Indeed. We do have better infrastructure now and we had a fun ride, but ultimately, Webber left us in an incredibly similar position on the place to the one he found us in. We had just missed out on the playoffs in our first season after relegation, with an ageing, high-earning squad that needed a refresh. 

It all started when he hired Smith, because that was the moment where Webber panicked and completely ripped up the plan which had worked for four years by going for short-term fixes. He then just acted like a gambler in a betting shop who had the lost the month's rent money and needed it back before the wife found out; he just chased his losses with more short-term fixes until we were left with Shane Duffy earning big wages on a three-year contract when he was completely unsuitable for so many different reasons.

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On 21/05/2024 at 23:33, jaberry2 said:

Im inclined to think we sell Rowe and try and retain Sargeant/Sara, albeit I imagine Rowe and Sargeant will go which should accumulate circa £30m, in which the new manager hopefully has to reinvest, alongside some hopefully new cash from the new owners. Hopefully we use this money to invest in some defenders etc

Hopefully.

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15 hours ago, RobJames said:

Jose is left footed. Not sure about the returning loanees.

The thought must be they are being lined up for the following season, when both Duffy and Hanley are out of contract.

The question is whether they are best served by being sat on the bench, or out on another loan. A comment above states that Warner is looking good. Maybe he will stay and, like Omo, get his chance and keep it.

However the first team is NOT a place to develop. You are picked when you are ready. Albeit however good a player is at Colney the prove is on the pitch in a league match. 'Needs must' put Gibbs and Fisher in the squad. I suggest the latter needs a loan, as moving from non league to the Championship is a big leap.

I don't think it is too great a leap to move to RB/LB from a central place in defence. Likewise, I think Godfrey started there, or even right midfield. R Martin swapped as well, so maybe one of these CBs could cover for Stacey.

Plenty of options, whereas we only have Begga Hall at LB. There must be someone special lined up as we let both Gino and McCallum go. Whoever it is (them?) it won't be another aged stop gap.

Guilherme Montóia is a LB - aged 20 & halfway through his 2-year contract.

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4 hours ago, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said:

Indeed. We do have better infrastructure now and we had a fun ride, but ultimately, Webber left us in an incredibly similar position on the place to the one he found us in. We had just missed out on the playoffs in our first season after relegation, with an ageing, high-earning squad that needed a refresh. 

It all started when he hired Smith, because that was the moment where Webber panicked and completely ripped up the plan which had worked for four years by going for short-term fixes. He then just acted like a gambler in a betting shop who had the lost the month's rent money and needed it back before the wife found out; he just chased his losses with more short-term fixes until we were left with Shane Duffy earning big wages on a three-year contract when he was completely unsuitable for so many different reasons.

Great post. Its hard not to look at the Smith hire as a pivotal moment for the club and Webber where everything went wrong. Webber's entire mantra of 'ignore the noise' went out the window as he listened intently to the noise and reacted badly to said noise. It was about as knee-jerk a decision as you get. From then on he was basically at the mercy of the noise he swore he'd always ignore as it became too noisy.

Noise. 

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And Duffy is horrendous and needs to go this summer. Dreadful signing.

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On 22/05/2024 at 10:02, Google Bot said:

All professional footballers must have the ability of basic control and passing ability at the level they're playing or they shouldn't even be a part of the squad, let alone getting paid 10's of thousands a week and countless hours of free coaching.

People become too focused on the player in possession, but in truth it's the players off the ball that make the difference.  If you want a ball playing backline then as a coach you have to make sure that there's targets that are easy to play to.

This was a lot of Ben Gibson's problem in that he would stand over the ball too long trying to do something clever and would put himself in trouble.  Just get people moving off the ball and don't stall, otherwise it won't work whatever.

He just tried to find anybody in an invisible midfield . It was the teams problem and not his .

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On 21/05/2024 at 15:37, RobJames said:

With Jonathan Tomkinson, Jaden Warner, Brad Hills, Emmanuel Adegboyega and fullback (?) Louis Shipley back with us, are we covered with only Hanlley and Duffy using McLean and Lungi as cover ? Not retaining Batth and Gibson suggests one ot two of the above will be stepping up.

At the moment Hanley is an unknown quantity, given the injury, and Duffy is not getting any younger. Could we go into the season with just the one recogonised senior CB ?  

However, no more aged tetainers as per last season. Both Hanley and Duffy are out of contract in 2025 so another year out on loan for some of the above till then. Just need to find a LB or two.

 

Not necessarily. We have a new manager that believes in youth, maybe Hanley and Duffy will be back up

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On 22/05/2024 at 10:35, BigFish said:

Firstly, I think you are mistaken here @Harry53, he has two years to run on his contract.

 

Secondly if the José Córdoba rumour is correct we are looking to add numbers here.

 

Yes I realised that after I posted,  but I thought I saw that he was going. These long contracts for over 30's were not a good idea. 

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5 hours ago, Worthy Nigelton said:

From then on he was basically at the mercy of the noise he swore he'd always ignore as it became too noisy.

Agree. I guess the only question is how many of us contributed to that noise. My memory is that the summer 21 transfer incomings went down very well, and that there were plenty of Farke-outers on here. Being almost entirely ignorant of footballers who don't play for NCFC, I had no view on the signings, but I was pretty relaxed about the sacking of DF: it felt inevitable. Not quite sure why I thought we'd do any better than him.

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22 hours ago, RobJames said:

BOGGOFF

Sign Duffy, get Barnes for free

I can't think either are going to improve, and I doubt they will be the sort of players Throwup will be seeing as part of the first choice.

Barnes is a luxury to have at a 10. There must be better,  younger, and more effective players than him we can play behind our 9. He is not our future at his age and needs to warm the bench next season. 

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33 minutes ago, Harry53 said:

Yes I realised that after I posted,  but I thought I saw that he was going. These long contracts for over 30's were not a good idea. 

A different Duffy left 🙂 

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Dael Fry from Boro being linked. Him with Cordoba and Hills, Adegboyaga in reserve. That'll do for me.

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8 hours ago, Harry53 said:

Not necessarily. We have a new manager that believes in youth, maybe Hanley and Duffy will be back up

Let’s hope so.    I doubt very much either Hanley or Duffy will get much game time next season.   Neither are that good anyway!  Looks like we’re trying to sign Cordoba (a CB) already.    Hopefully two of those youngsters will get opportunities.    

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I agree Duffy and Hanley are both slow and caught out by the faster more nimble forwards but they are both decent at championship level and good defenders against the bigger strikers. Don't forget they are both still international players so are not as bad as some on here portray. Either alongside a good young ball playing centre back with Kenny just in front will do me for next season.

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Both good almost old fashioned stoppers, strong both physically and in the air.  Both will be attractive to plentybpf champs team. However their limitations are mobility and thier passing ability which fall far short of what's needed for a promotion seeking aide. One of them is perfect for squad depth but ideally would want better.

Right now I would always start duffy ahead of hanley but could swap view if hanleys recovery improves dramatically over the summer.  His performances since his return are a pale shadow of the player he has been for us.

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On 21/05/2024 at 22:28, TheGunnShow said:

Their version of the 1812 Overture may be the funniest musical rendition ever performed. I mean, they even found someone who could play the cannon badly.

Sure, I suppose the Battle of Moscow was fought with the Russians and the French absolutely stoned up the wazoo, so never could it have been more authentically - and horrifically - portrayed.

Just genius 

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19 hours ago, ged in the onion bag said:

Let’s hope so.    I doubt very much either Hanley or Duffy will get much game time next season.   Neither are that good anyway!  Looks like we’re trying to sign Cordoba (a CB) already.    Hopefully two of those youngsters will get opportunities.    

And now looks agreed 👌😁