*** Official Summer 2024 Transfer Rumour Thread ***

[Nuff Said 5,931]

7 hours ago, Trevor Hockey's Beard said:

It's a lovely image, but the reality is that if players met our fans first we'd never manage to sign anyone.

If it was assistant directors it would be even worse.

[pitypart 2]

https://www.tipsbladet.dk/nyhed/superliga/afsloering-fck-koeber-stortalentet-waylon-renecke

Waylon Renecke off to FC Copenhagen for a fee of less than £130.000. Intended for the U19 squad initially. Turning down a contract offer from Norwich. 

[Ulfotto 793]

On 31/08/2024 at 17:43, wr4sb said:

https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/41058354/chelsea-cancel-sister-club-transfer-scrutiny-fears-source 

Weren't we linked to him?

Think they'll be more and more of these type of things as club owners own more than one team. 

Always surprised me how Watford got away with some of their loans etc a few years back.

Its amazing they think could get away with it. But then again given they already got away with this

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/apr/19/chelseas-765m-hotel-deals-raise-questions-over-psr-compliance

Interesting to Norwich they now value Matos at 10 million quid and also tried to sell him to themselves at Strasbourg.

But then Man City did managed to sign Savinho from Troyes who they also own.

[JPukks 36]

This seems a strange move.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cze52y18zrro

[Feedthewolf 5,885]

2 hours ago, pitypart said:

https://www.tipsbladet.dk/nyhed/superliga/afsloering-fck-koeber-stortalentet-waylon-renecke

Waylon Renecke off to FC Copenhagen for a fee of less than £130.000. Intended for the U19 squad initially. Turning down a contract offer from Norwich. 

Thanks for this. I'm interested to know under what circumstances a player can move after the transfer deadline – does anyone know? I know loans used to be available after the deadline, but I don't think that's the case any longer. There were also certain countries where the deadline happened later; one presumes that Denmark must be one of those?

For anyone who's interested, here's the (rather shonky) Google translation of the article:

FC Copenhagen has strengthened itself with the great talent Waylon Renecke.

The tip sheet can reveal that the 18-year-old centre-back has been bought by Championship club Norwich on a three-year contract.

According to Tipsbladet's sources in the English club, the player has traveled to Denmark, and the agreement has fallen into place in a deal where FC Copenhagen pays under one million kroner for him. 

An impending transfer to FC Copenhagen came to light on Friday evening, when the media plbold wrote that FC Copenhagen wanted to trade in Norwich and get Waylon Renecke to Copenhagen.

According to Tipsbladet's information, the teenager was a valued player in Norwich, but has now been convinced of the project in FC Copenhagen, where he will be part of the U19 squad, but the fact is also that the Superliga team has said goodbye to Denis Vavro, while Gabriel Pereira has a possible two-month suspension hanging over his head.

If it is implemented, Jacob Neestrup will have just two centre-backs in Kevin Diks and Munashe Garananga at his disposal.

Waylon Renecke, who is a left-footed centre-back, has trained a lot with the first team of the English club and has been part of Norwich's Championship squad for the matches several times, and therefore it is not inconceivable that he could be a guard for the Superliga team, should the need arise.

According to Tipsbladet's information, he had a large contract offer from Norwich, but Waylon Renecke has chosen FC Copenhagen.

He has previously represented England at youth national team level, but since last summer has turned out for South Africa's U17 national team.

In the next three years, he will get the chance to prove himself in FC Copenhagen.

[Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 4,580]

4 minutes ago, Feedthewolf said:

Thanks for this. I'm interested to know under what circumstances a player can move after the transfer deadline – does anyone know? I know loans used to be available after the deadline, but I don't think that's the case any longer. There were also certain countries where the deadline happened later; one presumes that Denmark must be one of those?

It's still open in Denmark until tonight.

https://europeanleagues.com/transfer-windows/

DCB is now going to start panicking for the next 16 days because Sarge might sign for Partizan Belgrade.

[Feedthewolf 5,885]

15 minutes ago, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said:

It's still open in Denmark until tonight.

https://europeanleagues.com/transfer-windows/

DCB is now going to start panicking for the next 16 days because Sarge might sign for Partizan Belgrade.

This is useful:

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/transferfenster

A list of all the countries where the window is still open. Obviously this is only for outgoing transfers, we can't bring anyone else in now.

I wonder whether Thorup might be trying to find Hanley a nice place to end his career, given his omission from the squad on Saturday? Netherlands, Denmark, Portugal and Saudi Arabia all close today, Croatia closes on Thursday, Belgium and Poland close on Friday, Switzerland and Qatar next Monday, Greece on the 11th, Turkey on the 13th, then the Emirates on October 1st. I think they're the only realistic markets we might be able to rehome any of our players to.

[shefcanary 2,939]

2 minutes ago, Feedthewolf said:

This is useful:

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/transferfenster

A list of all the countries where the window is still open. Obviously this is only for outgoing transfers, we can't bring anyone else in now.

I wonder whether Thorup might be trying to find Hanley a nice place to end his career, given his omission from the squad on Saturday? Netherlands, Denmark, Portugal and Saudi Arabia all close today, Croatia closes on Thursday, Belgium and Poland close on Friday, Switzerland and Qatar next Monday, Greece on the 11th, Turkey on the 13th, then the Emirates on October 1st. I think they're the only realistic markets we might be able to rehome any of our players to.

More likely Hanley will get a move to the MLS come the run in to their next season in January's window, when he's free to sign up with overseas club?

[Feedthewolf 5,885]

Just now, shefcanary said:

More likely Hanley will get a move to the MLS come the run in to their next season in January's window, when he's free to sign up with overseas club?

That's a possibility, for sure. Just wondering whether Thorup is trying to expedite his exit so he's not hanging around in a grump and not playing football for the next four months...

[Feedthewolf 5,885]

Another thing to consider is whether there are any free agents out there who might bulk our squad up a bit. Two in particular stand out to me:

Steven Alzate, who was released by Brighton over the summer, and Robert Skov, who was released by Hoffenheim. Alzate is 25, a Colombian international (although was born in England so would qualify as home-grown) and a left-footed central midfielder who can play as a DM too.

Skov is a bit older at 28, but as a Danish international could be a target for Thorup. He's a left-sided winger who can also play as a wing-back, so could possibly offer squad strength to cover Chrisene and Gordon.

Just a couple of shots in the dark, but thought I'd put them out there!

[Bethnal Yellow and Green 2,424]

19 minutes ago, Feedthewolf said:

This is useful:

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/transferfenster

A list of all the countries where the window is still open. Obviously this is only for outgoing transfers, we can't bring anyone else in now.

I wonder whether Thorup might be trying to find Hanley a nice place to end his career, given his omission from the squad on Saturday? Netherlands, Denmark, Portugal and Saudi Arabia all close today, Croatia closes on Thursday, Belgium and Poland close on Friday, Switzerland and Qatar next Monday, Greece on the 11th, Turkey on the 13th, then the Emirates on October 1st. I think they're the only realistic markets we might be able to rehome any of our players to.

Hanley was out with a minor injury according to Thorup, sounded like they had given him an injection so he could play against Palace. Think they will keep him as a dressing room leader and appearances off the bench.

Where they might be looking at European leagues is for a move for Jonathan Tomkinson who doesn't seem to have got the move he was supposed to on Friday, the fact he and Warner are both still around seems odd considering they are probably 6th and 7th choice now. Can't see what either of them gain from more U21 football.

 

[wr4sb 66]

In the after match presser he said Hanley had an ankle problem hence why he wasn't there. 

[Feedthewolf 5,885]

Thanks for that folks, I missed the line about Hanley.

[chicken 3,071]

21 minutes ago, Feedthewolf said:

Another thing to consider is whether there are any free agents out there who might bulk our squad up a bit. Two in particular stand out to me:

Steven Alzate, who was released by Brighton over the summer, and Robert Skov, who was released by Hoffenheim. Alzate is 25, a Colombian international (although was born in England so would qualify as home-grown) and a left-footed central midfielder who can play as a DM too.

Skov is a bit older at 28, but as a Danish international could be a target for Thorup. He's a left-sided winger who can also play as a wing-back, so could possibly offer squad strength to cover Chrisene and Gordon.

Just a couple of shots in the dark, but thought I'd put them out there!

I could be wrong, but is being born in England is actually enough is it? Don't you have to be registered at a club for three seasons before you turn 21 too? Eg; you could be born here, move abroad at 6ths, return when you are 20 and still be classed as not homegrown?

Daft I know...

[Feedthewolf 5,885]

1 minute ago, chicken said:

I could be wrong, but is being born in England is actually enough is it? Don't you have to be registered at a club for three seasons before you turn 21 too? Eg; you could be born here, move abroad at 6ths, return when you are 20 and still be classed as not homegrown?

Daft I know...

Yep, you're right... although his entire youth career was at Leyton Orient and then Brighton, so he's definitely home-grown.

[Ulfotto 793]

I was wondering if we have any wingers who are left footed since Rowe has left. With this being modern football it is specifically a left footed winger to play on the right wing.

[LaUnionCanary 147]

If you are born in uk you can claim citizenship.

[Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 4,580]

2 hours ago, chicken said:

I could be wrong, but is being born in England is actually enough is it? Don't you have to be registered at a club for three seasons before you turn 21 too? Eg; you could be born here, move abroad at 6ths, return when you are 20 and still be classed as not homegrown?

Daft I know...

Homegrown is spending at least three years in an association between the ages of 15 and 21. That's why some non-British players, such as Tim Krul, count.

As mentioned above, Alzate was born and raised in England, and he spent the full six years contracted to an English club. 

Edited September 2 by Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man

[Bethnal Yellow and Green 2,424]

11 minutes ago, LaUnionCanary said:

If you are born in uk you can claim citizenship.

Only if one of your parents is a British citizen, or you lived in the UK until you were 10 years old.

But as others have mentioned, the passport you hold has no relation to whether you classify as 'homegrown' or not. 

[shefcanary 2,939]

Is it only me, or is the coincidence of Renecke ending up at a Danish team very familiar to Thorup / Riddersholm a sign of some quid pro quo going on? A little, you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours? It just seems too much a leap for a young player who was practically close to joining the 1st team squad (albeit several players ahead of him), going to an overseas club. I'm not saying anything shady going on, but some form of "co-operation" to help both clubs out of "resource difficulties" and / or financial restrictions? 

[Bethnal Yellow and Green 2,424]

3 minutes ago, shefcanary said:

Is it only me, or is the coincidence of Renecke ending up at a Danish team very familiar to Thorup / Riddersholm a sign of some quid pro quo going on? A little, you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours? It just seems too much a leap for a young player who was practically close to joining the 1st team squad (albeit several players ahead of him), going to an overseas club. I'm not saying anything shady going on, but some form of "co-operation" to help both clubs out of "resource difficulties" and / or financial restrictions? 

It is only you. 😀

I don't see why they would be helping out Copenhagen, when Norwich have signed a player from Brondby and taken a coach from Nordsjaelland. Copenhagen or Norwich are under no resource difficulties, and the transfer of a youth player for a small fee certainly isn't going to make any difference even if they were.

I think Renecke going there is just an example of Copenhagen's policy of signing good young players and the fact they are a team in the country where Thorup is from is a coincidence. There is a bit of a pathway of young African players going to Denmark and this is just another example of it.

[Ken Hairy 4,272]

4 hours ago, Feedthewolf said:

Thanks for this. I'm interested to know under what circumstances a player can move after the transfer deadline – does anyone know? I know loans used to be available after the deadline, but I don't think that's the case any longer. There were also certain countries where the deadline happened later; one presumes that Denmark must be one of those?

For anyone who's interested, here's the (rather shonky) Google translation of the article:

FC Copenhagen has strengthened itself with the great talent Waylon Renecke.

The tip sheet can reveal that the 18-year-old centre-back has been bought by Championship club Norwich on a three-year contract.

According to Tipsbladet's sources in the English club, the player has traveled to Denmark, and the agreement has fallen into place in a deal where FC Copenhagen pays under one million kroner for him. 

An impending transfer to FC Copenhagen came to light on Friday evening, when the media plbold wrote that FC Copenhagen wanted to trade in Norwich and get Waylon Renecke to Copenhagen.

According to Tipsbladet's information, the teenager was a valued player in Norwich, but has now been convinced of the project in FC Copenhagen, where he will be part of the U19 squad, but the fact is also that the Superliga team has said goodbye to Denis Vavro, while Gabriel Pereira has a possible two-month suspension hanging over his head.

If it is implemented, Jacob Neestrup will have just two centre-backs in Kevin Diks and Munashe Garananga at his disposal.

Waylon Renecke, who is a left-footed centre-back, has trained a lot with the first team of the English club and has been part of Norwich's Championship squad for the matches several times, and therefore it is not inconceivable that he could be a guard for the Superliga team, should the need arise.

According to Tipsbladet's information, he had a large contract offer from Norwich, but Waylon Renecke has chosen FC Copenhagen.

He has previously represented England at youth national team level, but since last summer has turned out for South Africa's U17 national team.

In the next three years, he will get the chance to prove himself in FC Copenhagen.

As long as the window is open in the country they're moving to then it makes no difference the window status of the departing country.

Basically windows only really effect incoming transfer deals to that country. 

EDIT: and yet again I've answered it before checking whether it had actually been clarified in the posts after your one, I've really got to stop doing that 🤣

Edited September 2 by Ken Hairy

[Feedthewolf 5,885]

6 hours ago, pitypart said:

https://www.tipsbladet.dk/nyhed/superliga/afsloering-fck-koeber-stortalentet-waylon-renecke

Waylon Renecke off to FC Copenhagen for a fee of less than £130.000. Intended for the U19 squad initially. Turning down a contract offer from Norwich. 

Now confirmed on official site.

https://www.canaries.co.uk/content/renecke-completes-permanent-move-to-fc-copenhagen

[Bristol Canary 146]

Real shame that. Had high hopes for Renecke and I’m sure the club would have earmarked him for the LB/CB hybrid role upon the return of Doyle at the end of the season. Looks like he had all the tools to do that.

[Carrow89 166]

3 hours ago, Bristol Canary said:

Real shame that. Had high hopes for Renecke and I’m sure the club would have earmarked him for the LB/CB hybrid role upon the return of Doyle at the end of the season. Looks like he had all the tools to do that.

I suspect Emmanuel Adegboyega would have been ahead of him, given that he is first choice CB at SPL club Dundee Utd.There's also Warne and Tomkinson to consider.

Edited September 2 by Carrow89

[Carrow89 166]

7 hours ago, Feedthewolf said:

Another thing to consider is whether there are any free agents out there who might bulk our squad up a bit. Two in particular stand out to me:

Steven Alzate, who was released by Brighton over the summer, and Robert Skov, who was released by Hoffenheim. Alzate is 25, a Colombian international (although was born in England so would qualify as home-grown) and a left-footed central midfielder who can play as a DM too.

Skov is a bit older at 28, but as a Danish international could be a target for Thorup. He's a left-sided winger who can also play as a wing-back, so could possibly offer squad strength to cover Chrisene and Gordon.

Just a couple of shots in the dark, but thought I'd put them out there!

The squad doesn't need bulking out, and the two you suggest would probably cost more in wages than all the young players signed. Besides, we are trying to get away from older players - the 28-year-old.

The noticeable thing about this influx of youth is that they have all pretty much had first team experience. Something previous signings haven't had. How often have we signed some promising rising star from the lower leagues only for him to drift away and not be heard of again ?

I doubt Gordon (Liverpool) is here to idle about in the U21sand I would expect Bridge (Boro), Forbes (Dundee Utd) and Gee (Chelsea) to be making the bench with Miles there about, and Forsyth has already staked a claim. There's also Fassnacht, Barnes and Sorensen to return, so I would suggest we are pretty well stocked.

 

[Feedthewolf 5,885]

10 hours ago, Carrow89 said:

The squad doesn't need bulking out, and the two you suggest would probably cost more in wages than all the young players signed. Besides, we are trying to get away from older players - the 28-year-old.

The noticeable thing about this influx of youth is that they have all pretty much had first team experience. Something previous signings haven't had. How often have we signed some promising rising star from the lower leagues only for him to drift away and not be heard of again ?

I doubt Gordon (Liverpool) is here to idle about in the U21sand I would expect Bridge (Boro), Forbes (Dundee Utd) and Gee (Chelsea) to be making the bench with Miles there about, and Forsyth has already staked a claim. There's also Fassnacht, Barnes and Sorensen to return, so I would suggest we are pretty well stocked.

You make a pretty good case here, especially regarding Skov. I still think Alzate would be a shrewd addition though... we currently have McLean, Nunez, Forson, Gibbs and Slimane competing for the three midfield slots, and Forson can also play in the wider positions.

It was just a conversation-starter really, but this is a valid counter-argument to 'go with what we've got'. I thought Gee was predominantly a central defender, though? And I'm not sure whether Bridge and Forbes are necessarily likely to be part of the first-team squad, this season at least.

[TheGunnShow 7,358]

44 minutes ago, Feedthewolf said:

You make a pretty good case here, especially regarding Skov. I still think Alzate would be a shrewd addition though... we currently have McLean, Nunez, Forson, Gibbs and Slimane competing for the three midfield slots, and Forson can also play in the wider positions.

It was just a conversation-starter really, but this is a valid counter-argument to 'go with what we've got'. I thought Gee was predominantly a central defender, though? And I'm not sure whether Bridge and Forbes are necessarily likely to be part of the first-team squad, this season at least.

Think Gee's a bit Ben Godfrey-esque in that he's also played centre/defensive midfield. Think Forson's going to land up like Sara on first viewings, namely most effective in that channel off the centre and particularly dangerous when he can get his head up and hit channel passes and through balls - in Sara's case it was on the right cutting in, but Sara looks to carry much more goal threat than Forson will.

Want to see more of that Slimane - Schwartau combination, personally. There's even part of me thinking "Sorensen - Slimane - Schwartau" together - I'd think having three Danish speakers communicating amongst themselves at attacking set pieces, all of them six-foot plus, could cause some entertaining havoc.

Edited September 3 by TheGunnShow

[Carrow89 166]

6 hours ago, Feedthewolf said:

You make a pretty good case here, especially regarding Skov. I still think Alzate would be a shrewd addition though... we currently have McLean, Nunez, Forson, Gibbs and Slimane competing for the three midfield slots, and Forson can also play in the wider positions.

It was just a conversation-starter really, but this is a valid counter-argument to 'go with what we've got'. I thought Gee was predominantly a central defender, though? And I'm not sure whether Bridge and Forbes are necessarily likely to be part of the first-team squad, this season at least.

The thing is once the game starts positions become flexible, determined by where the ball is.  Of course players will be covering certain areas but you will see Sargeant back defending (CDM) and Doyle attacking. The myth about needing a striker has shown to be hollow. Get the ball in the box and whoever is there can put it way, or not. In recent games it has been Sainz.

Saturday's game was a breath of fresh air. Gone was the stagnant 'Hoffball ' (Hoof ball), the negative tactics of tippity tap. Whether Knapper has had a word, or just the blindingly obvious reality that it was a disaster caused the change, is not known. But to see the team break swiftly, attack in a fast, positive fashion was to see play that went against everything Hoff had been constraining the players with. No pi ssing about at the back. Gunn rolling the ball to the feet when the opposition was still in the penalty box was a revelation. Players running forward with the ball rather than stopping and passing back.

Another notable difference was the approach to danger in our penalty area. No more the idiotic 'pretty triangles' to move the ball up field. Gone. Just launch it. Yep the opposition will probably collect the ball.... on the half way line well away from danger

Possession as previously seen serves little purpose bar giving the opposition time to regroup and mark up. Our second v Blackburn highlighted what attacking football can do. Hit them hard and quick. Which is what we saw Saturday. Coventry had no real answer in the final quarter of the game. We piled forward as if it was us losing

So where does this leave the young signings ?  The opportunity to progress into the first team squad, the bench or even a place in the starting 11 I would say.  Over what period will have to be seen, but I would suggest we have made some astute signings alongside them. A disinterested Kamara (£5m?) v the young Danish lad or Forson (£2m & 4m). Idah v Crmac. The latter certainly looks sharper and is 4 years younger than Idah.

If 'Hoff ball' is dead then I can see a genuine promotion push. Duffy has been another revelation (I admit I wrote him and Onel off). Look for the commitment in training, that's what counts. A never say die approach is what was behind Lamberts success. Installing a belief in themselves comes from allowing players to play as they know best. And keeping that belief going is just as important as developing players ability/skill.

Over to you Hoff.

[shefcanary 2,939]

3 minutes ago, Carrow89 said:

The thing is once the game starts positions become flexible, determined by where the ball is.  Of course players will be covering certain areas but you will see Sargeant back defending (CDM) and Doyle attacking. The myth about needing a striker has shown to be hollow. Get the ball in the box and whoever is there can put it way, or not. In recent games it has been Sainz.

Saturday's game was a breath of fresh air. Gone was the stagnant 'Hoffball ' (Hoof ball), the negative tactics of tippity tap. Whether Knapper has had a word, or just the blindingly obvious reality that it was a disaster caused the change, is not known. But to see the team break swiftly, attack in a fast, positive fashion was to see play that went against everything Hoff had been constraining the players with. No pi ssing about at the back. Gunn rolling the ball to the feet when the opposition was still in the penalty box was a revelation. Players running forward with the ball rather than stopping and passing back.

Another notable difference was the approach to danger in our penalty area. No more the idiotic 'pretty triangles' to move the ball up field. Gone. Just launch it. Yep the opposition will probably collect the ball.... on the half way line well away from danger

Possession as previously seen serves little purpose bar giving the opposition time to regroup and mark up. Our second v Blackburn highlighted what attacking football can do. Hit them hard and quick. Which is what we saw Saturday. Coventry had no real answer in the final quarter of the game. We piled forward as if it was us losing

So where does this leave the young signings ?  The opportunity to progress into the first team squad, the bench or even a place in the starting 11 I would say.  Over what period will have to be seen, but I would suggest we have made some astute signings alongside them. A disinterested Kamara (£5m?) v the young Danish lad or Forson (£2m & 4m). Idah v Crmac. The latter certainly looks sharper and is 4 years younger than Idah.

If 'Hoff ball' is dead then I can see a genuine promotion push. Duffy has been another revelation (I admit I wrote him and Onel off). Look for the commitment in training, that's what counts. A never say die approach is what was behind Lamberts success. Installing a belief in themselves comes from allowing players to play as they know best. And keeping that belief going is just as important as developing players ability/skill.

Over to you Hoff.

Hmmm, I saw it completely different. Hoffball was alive and kicking. The triangles at the back were still there, just that we were "braver" in doing so. The more the players get what Hoffball means, the better they deliver. I agree mixing it up occasionally can help, but there was very little of that on Saturday.

Either you are on a fishing expedition, or you were watching an entirely different match.