Wimbledoncanary 37 Posted January 2 There is evidently a huge chasm between the rhetoric of the football club and what is actually happening on the pitch. Zoe Webber is still stating in match day programs that promotion is ultimate aim this season. Peal back the layers and it’s difficult to back this up. I beg you to find one other championship club who would have kept with Wagner with his two major losing streaks. Personally with the play offs being realistic achievement at the end of last season the end form / mood of the crowd should of seen him go then. But he didn't and we have suffered similar lapses in form and even worse quality in football this season. Whats different ? In the past Norwich have afforded managers time but eventually the crowd turns (Dean Smith , Worthington … even Alex Neil to a degree) and the club hold their hands and twist. But the club haven’t done it this time with two very clear opportunities , why ? I think its not down to not Delia and co but the rhetoric coming from our new american co-owners . Mark Attanisio stated during the AGM his reluctance to sack managers likening the role of manager to that of a ceo company. With some investment made already I believe they are now calling the shots for better or for worse based on this mad behaviour of Wagner still being in a job / style of football. Ben Knapper I believe has his hands tied in sacking manager as this is coming from the top. This is the only reason I can think of why we are still in this position. I like Wagner as a person but football has been awful. I don’t think he is getting the boot anytime soon so all we can do is get behind them team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ken Hairy 4,272 Posted January 2 Is it Wynnies fault? Asking for Nutty.....😏 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real Buh 3,765 Posted January 2 There’s a chain of command and ultimately Delia is responsible for surrendering this club to the likes of the people that have/are currently running this club. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
S_81 1,101 Posted January 2 The protracted departure of Stuart Webber + Knapper getting up to speed + fondness of Wagner in some quarters at the club + an upturn in results but not performances + the January window - have all now combined to mean that unless we are flirting with relegation or on a long losing streak - Wagner now has the season. God forbid if he gets longer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midlands Yellow 4,682 Posted January 2 She wants to stay for two more years but thankfully will leave sooner. Her and the not so attention seeking husband are well past their sell by dates. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bigbrenn 88 Posted January 2 5 minutes ago, Midlands Yellow said: She wants to stay for two more years but thankfully will leave sooner. Her and the not so attention seeking husband are well past their sell by dates. ...will leave sooner? Out if interest, why do you feel that way when she seems determined to doggedly hang on? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Davidlingfield 72 Posted January 2 10 minutes ago, Midlands Yellow said: She wants to stay for two more years but thankfully will leave sooner. Her and the not so attention seeking husband are well past their sell by dates. Why on earth would she leave if not pushed - someone with her lack of talent, lack of vision and lack of emotional intelligence wouldn’t earn a fraction of her current salary anywhere else? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midlands Yellow 4,682 Posted January 2 3 minutes ago, Bigbrenn said: ...will leave sooner? Out if interest, why do you feel that way when she seems determined to doggedly hang on? This season will finish just like the last one, vey disappointingly. Her and hubby have nothing to offer to move this club forward. We’ve took the Yanks money (thank goodness) and as stubborn as she is I can hear the announcement before she turns 83. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim Smith 2,610 Posted January 2 The malaise at the club is all ultimately down to the limbo they have placed us in and their selfish refusal to sell/take on investment at times wren it could have made a real difference. Fans have woken up to the fact we have wasted our chances and can’t compete under them so see it as pointless and are apathetic. That and also allowing the Webbers to destroy the atmosphere at the club and relationship between club and fans. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midlands Yellow 4,682 Posted January 2 5 minutes ago, Davidlingfield said: Why on earth would she leave if not pushed - someone with her lack of talent, lack of vision and lack of emotional intelligence wouldn’t earn a fraction of her current salary anywhere else? They are both 83 next birthday, the pressure of another season’s failure and criticism from the media will definitely be taking its toll. As stubborn as they both are time has caught them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 10,762 Posted January 2 20 minutes ago, Davidlingfield said: Why on earth would she leave if not pushed - someone with her lack of talent, lack of vision and lack of emotional intelligence wouldn’t earn a fraction of her current salary anywhere else? So, what is Delia's salary? P.S the accounts should help you determine. 2 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleCanary 6,384 Posted January 2 3 hours ago, Bigbrenn said: ...will leave sooner? Out if interest, why do you feel that way when she seems determined to doggedly hang on? She recently said the handover might happen faster than the original three years timescale. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soldier on 290 Posted January 2 1 minute ago, PurpleCanary said: She recently said the handover might happen faster than the original three years timescale. Not sure I have seen those quotes . Where are they taken from ?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sonyc 6,144 Posted January 2 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Soldier on said: Not sure I have seen those quotes . Where are they taken from ?? Think on the Desert Island Discs programme last week. Edit: certainly I've heard her mention this..but not 100% sure when. But I did listen to the R4 programme Edited January 2 by sonyc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
essex canary 622 Posted January 2 3 hours ago, hogesar said: So, what is Delia's salary? P.S the accounts should help you determine. If you follow the thread it was a clear reference to Zoe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 10,762 Posted January 2 9 minutes ago, essex canary said: If you follow the thread it was a clear reference to Zoe. Nope, he quoted a post talking about Delia and Michael. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Europe_93 50 Posted January 2 5 hours ago, Wimbledoncanary said: I think its not down to not Delia and co but the rhetoric coming from our new american co-owners . Mark Attanisio stated during the AGM his reluctance to sack managers likening the role of manager to that of a ceo company. With some investment made already I believe they are now calling the shots for better or for worse based on this mad behaviour of Wagner still being in a job / style of football. Ben Knapper I believe has his hands tied in sacking manager as this is coming from the top. I hear you and think this to some extent too, but I would hope that the rhetoric to Knapper is more "take your time and make sure the next appointment is the right appointment". They must see that our current CEO / manager is not delivering. Attansio is quietly influencing the octagenarians, I suspect if he were in sole charge things would be different, but making sure he is not rocking the boat too wildly - it sort of demonstrates he sees this as a long term project. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
essex canary 622 Posted January 2 19 minutes ago, hogesar said: Nope, he quoted a post talking about Delia and Michael. I suspect he was referring to the reference to Zoe in the opening paragraph of the OP though the trail is confusing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soldier on 290 Posted January 2 34 minutes ago, sonyc said: Think on the Desert Island Discs programme last week. Edit: certainly I've heard her mention this..but not 100% sure when. But I did listen to the R4 programme Thanks perhaps purple canary can confirm ? will take a listen when I get a chance . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shefcanary 2,951 Posted January 2 I've said on another thread the problem now is the remaining 2 years of the Smith & Jones / Attanasio concord. The Boardroom meetings must be horrible, people just politely dancing around each other, avoiding upsetting the other. Parma is needed to join the Board and kick ****! 😉 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nuff Said 5,960 Posted January 2 56 minutes ago, essex canary said: If you follow the thread it was a clear reference to Zoe. 46 minutes ago, hogesar said: Nope, he quoted a post talking about Delia and Michael. 25 minutes ago, essex canary said: I suspect he was referring to the reference to Zoe in the opening paragraph of the OP though the trail is confusing. Just curious, how hard is to set up a second account on here now? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sonyc 6,144 Posted January 2 33 minutes ago, Nuff Said said: Just curious, how hard is to set up a second account on here now? Well if you manage to do so please name yourself "Much More to Say" and we will know it's your alter ego😉 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nuff Said 5,960 Posted January 2 50 minutes ago, sonyc said: Well if you manage to do so please name yourself "Much More to Say" and we will know it's your alter ego😉 How about “Just Can’t Say Enough”? I’d have my own song then :- ) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
