Farke was sacked after a win

[cambridgeshire canary 7,778]

What are we thinking the chances are of the same for Wagner?

[JPukks 36]

0%

[lake district canary 4,813]

Shouldn't have happened then, shouldn't happen now. Tomorrow will do.

[RugbyCanary 106]

I don't think so.......the board haven't got the stones for it. Just roll from one disaster to the next. Whole club needs a rebuild but Wagner has a stay of execution unfortunately 

[tea total 83]

None! Its clear to see that the players are playing for him. DW deserves a chance!

 

[Virtual reality 858]

He should still be sacked on Monday based on his performance as Norwich manager over his time here. His record and somewhat baffling tactics are nowhere near the acceptable standard. I fully expect him to remain in his position though 

[lake district canary 4,813]

5 minutes ago, tea total said:

None! Its clear to see that the players are playing for him. DW deserves a chance!

As did Farke.

[Chelm Canary 404]

Is this win not just a stay of execution?

Surely it's over for Wagner. Have many managers turned it around once the fans confidence in them has sunk this low?

[A K Narey 235]

Wagner is not the biggest problem.

[Capt. Pants 4,973]

None.

No way will Delia do that again and Attanasio will support her.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

[Mello Yello 2,553]

Delia gave a pashunut speesh on the pitch after a wine.....or a dozen?

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1 hour ago, lake district canary said:

Shouldn't have happened then, shouldn't happen now. Tomorrow will do.

If you literally mean tomorrow that's just not going to happen. Has there ever been an instance of a manager being sacked the day before a new SD takes over ? Doesn't make sense at all.

[lake district canary 4,813]

Just now, ......and Smith must score. said:

If you literally mean tomorrow that's just not going to happen. Has there ever been an instance of a manager being sacked the day before a new SD takes over ? Doesn't make sense at all.

No, I know it won't happen, I was being facetious.

[Worthy Nigelton 1,295]

2 hours ago, RugbyCanary said:

I don't think so.......the board haven't got the stones for it. Just roll from one disaster to the next. Whole club needs a rebuild but Wagner has a stay of execution unfortunately 

But they did have 'the stones' to sack Farke after an away win in the PL? Our two time Championship winning coach? This is nothing to do with having 'the stones' it's about whether he still has the dressing room or not and whether the club still believe in him. Only those inside the club know that. Time will tell, but if they do believe in him and he hasn't lost the dressing room I hope they show a huge pair of stones to stick with him. 

[Creedence Clearwater Couto 1,611]

3 minutes ago, Worthy Nigelton said:

But they did have 'the stones' to sack Farke after an away win in the PL? Our two time Championship winning coach? This is nothing to do with having 'the stones' it's about whether he still has the dressing room or not and whether the club still believe in him. Only those inside the club know that. Time will tell, but if they do believe in him and he hasn't lost the dressing room I hope they show a huge pair of stones to stick with him. 

I thought it was interesting that Webber picked out Hanley for praise in his leaving letter, and mentioned often seeking advice from him.

I wonder if Hanley did for Farke?? If the same message isn’t coming from the dressing room this time.. perhaps that’s why Wagner is still around?

Edited November 11, 2023 by Creedence Clearwater Couto

[CardiffCanary 163]

2 hours ago, lake district canary said:

As did Farke.

Ldc …

I love you and your positivity 

yarmy 

[Worthy Nigelton 1,295]

2 minutes ago, Creedence Clearwater Couto said:

I thought it was interesting that Webber picked out Hanley for praise in his leaving letter, and mentioned often seeking advice from him.

I wonder if Hanley did for Farke?? If the same message isn’t coming from the dressing room this time.. perhaps that’s why Wagner is still around?

Who knows, maybe. Although I think Farke got scapegoated for Webber's atrocious transfer window, whereas he (Webber) can't keep doing that without acknowledging that he himself is rubbish for buying bad players, and he's never going to do that.

[Capt. Pants 4,973]

In his position I think Knapper will have to come up with a very good reason to sack Wagner right now and by that I mean who is he going to replace him with that can drastically change things? It would be an incredibly brave, or foolish, decision leaving himself totally isolated and effectively having to rebuild the club with little or no support.

I don't think things are that bad at the moment to justify sacking him and replacing him with a caretaker manager. It doesn't look as though he has lost the dressing room yet. The win today gives us breathing space over the bottom 3 that again buys him time - time to get Sargent and Barnes fit.  

A lot we don't know about Knapper yet; is he going to dictate playing style, formation, strengthen the squad in January etc etc? I'm not saying Wagner is here to stay, but this has to be joined up and dealt with strategically.

[Soldier on 287]

23 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said:

In his position I think Knapper will have to come up with a very good reason to sack Wagner right now and by that I mean who is he going to replace him with that can drastically change things? It would be an incredibly brave, or foolish, decision leaving himself totally isolated and effectively having to rebuild the club with little or no support.

I don't think things are that bad at the moment to justify sacking him and replacing him with a caretaker manager. It doesn't look as though he has lost the dressing room yet. The win today gives us breathing space over the bottom 3 that again buys him time - time to get Sargent and Barnes fit.  

A lot we don't know about Knapper yet; is he going to dictate playing style, formation, strengthen the squad in January etc etc? I'm not saying Wagner is here to stay, but this has to be joined up and dealt with strategically.

Still feels like a common sense decision to me. We were still pretty poor Vs an average side .

hopefully knapper (like Webber early on) recognises that we need a manager that can develop a playing style that we can all be proud of and get behind. Wagner’s won’t ever be that.

[Capt. Pants 4,973]

4 minutes ago, Soldier on said:

Still feels like a common sense decision to me. We were still pretty poor Vs an average side .

hopefully knapper (like Webber early on) recognises that we need a manager that can develop a playing style that we can all be proud of and get behind. Wagner’s won’t ever be that.

Difference is Knapper is a rooky SD, well below Webber's level. Perhaps it was a conscious decision by the club not to bring in someone with a wealth of experience and expensive requirements!

Agree about the playing style hopefully and I don't believe Wagner is a long term solution at all and possibly never was (hence his contract).

[Soldier on 287]

7 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said:

Difference is Knapper is a rooky SD, well below Webber's level. Perhaps it was a conscious decision by the club not to bring in someone with a wealth of experience and expensive requirements!

Agree about the playing style hopefully and I don't believe Wagner is a long term solution at all and possibly never was (hence his contract).

Not sure that’s fair Guardian and lots of others said we are lucky to have knapper. He could have stayed at Arsenal and waited around for their gig if he wanted to.

[Capt. Pants 4,973]

Sure, he ticks all/most of the boxes. I just don't think his first job should be to sack the Head Coach. Could be his 2nd job though.

[mrdi 411]

1 hour ago, Capt. Pants said:

Sure, he ticks all/most of the boxes. I just don't think his first job should be to sack the Head Coach. Could be his 2nd job though.

Third. 

First job should be to ban the goal music, the second to tell Sainz to sort that beard out. 

[The Raptor 1,566]

5 hours ago, Chelm Canary said:

Is this win not just a stay of execution?

Surely it's over for Wagner. Have many managers turned it around once the fans confidence in them has sunk this low?

This win is our Mark Robins at man utd moment. Wagner stays. We'll go up via the play offs at the expense of ipswich and spend years up there...

 

It COULD happen! Even after a few beers I need to convince myself though!

[Nuff Said 5,937]

6 hours ago, lake district canary said:

As did Farke.

So because of what was, in your opinion, a previous mistake, the board should make another? Get over it, Farke has gone, it’s in the past. What matters now is the this club and its future.

 

Amd as for deserving a chance, just how long a chance did Farke deserve? He’d already had one and a quarter seasons in the PL and was clearly not working.

Edited November 11, 2023 by Nuff Said
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[Chelm Canary 404]

4 minutes ago, The Raptor said:

This win is our Mark Robins at man utd moment. Wagner stays. We'll go up via the play offs at the expense of ipswich and spend years up there...

 

It COULD happen! Even after a few beers I need to convince myself though!

Let's hope so mate. I would say slow down on the beers though .

My biggest fear is playing Ipswich. I can't hide from that. I think that's at the back of all our minds.

But could we turn them over?

 

 

 

[Dean Coneys boots 1,531]

He needs to go. It gives the new manager enough time to plan for January- not much to play with but some wheeling and dealing could bring in a player to strengthen that midfield. His record is awful and his tactics and subs just bizarre- nice chap but definitely part of the problem not the answer 

[lake district canary 4,813]

12 hours ago, Creedence Clearwater Couto said:

I thought it was interesting that Webber picked out Hanley for praise in his leaving letter, and mentioned often seeking advice from him.

I wonder if Hanley did for Farke?? If the same message isn’t coming from the dressing room this time.. perhaps that’s why Wagner is still around?

I believe this to be the case. Just after the sacking, Webber mentioned consulting senior players about Farke - as if to back his decision to sack him - and I remember thinking at the time - who amongst the senior players would want Farke gone and Hanley was the main one I could think of. There were clearly rumblings behind the scenes - particularly over Gilmour and Cantwell. Imo the treatment of Cantwell was something that some of the players would be looking at and thinking it was unfair - and Gilmour (being the scotland golden child) was left out by Farke too.

it will remain one of the most controversial decisions ever made at our club imo - but having shown that ruthlessness to sack Farke just weeks into a long new contract, especially after a win that demonstrated the players were still playing for him - it does seem strange that Wagner has (so far) survived. 

[TheBaldOne66 768]

15 hours ago, lake district canary said:

As did Farke.

Farke had 4 bloody years for Gods sake! He failed twice in the EPL, he had to go! Even though your love for him knows no bounds it was right time to get rid of him! 

[lake district canary 4,813]

35 minutes ago, TheBaldOne66 said:

Farke had 4 bloody years for Gods sake! He failed twice in the EPL, he had to go! Even though your love for him knows no bounds it was right time to get rid of him! 

Nothing to do with "love". Farke was the reason we got promoted twice. The only reason we couldn't do well twice in the PL was the quality of the players - and both those seasons the odds were stacked against us with covid and key injuries. You watch if Leeds get in the PL - they will be fine there under him and will make a nonsense of "he doesn't know how to manage in the PL". 

Sacking him was the worst decision this club has made.....ever.