Dickson-peters

[daz 137]

Leaves by mutual consent... Another promising youngster let go 🤔

[Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 4,615]

He's 21 and has failed to make an impact in his loans at League One, League Two and now National League level. 

If this is supposed to be a stick to beat the club with, I think we're clutching at straws now.

[Wings of a Sparrow 1,708]

4 minutes ago, daz said:

Leaves by mutual consent... Another promising youngster let go 🤔

Promising? Based on what?

[Mason 47 1,924]

3 minutes ago, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said:

He's 21 and has failed to make an impact in his loans at League One, League Two and now National League level. 

If this is supposed to be a stick to beat the club with, I think we're clutching at straws now.

Straws are vaguely stick-shaped, we can make it work 

[cambridgeshire canary 7,797]

6 minutes ago, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said:

He's 21 and has failed to make an impact in his loans at League One, League Two and now National League level. 

If this is supposed to be a stick to beat the club with, I think we're clutching at straws now.

If leauge one is his level dare I say we might need him next season then?🙃

[TheGunnShow 7,377]

2 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

If leauge one is his level dare I say we might need him next season then?🙃

That's the thing, it isn't and we won't.

[Fuzzar 1,861]

A shame for him and us he didn't prove to be as good as we'd hoped.

[By Hook or Ian crook 943]

Will keep an eye on what he does next and where he goes. Wish him luck 

[hogesar 10,762]

17 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

If leauge one is his level dare I say we might need him next season then?🙃

No-one said League One was his level.

Not every young footballer is promising.

[pete 371]

Not sure he received much encouragement from management.  Here for a long time and never tried at first team level he may have been a success now we'll never now.  

[Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 4,615]

26 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

If leauge one is his level dare I say we might need him next season then?🙃

He failed to make an impact at Gillingham in League One.

He then failed to make an impact at Grimsby in League Two.

This season, he failed to make an impact at Woking in the National League.

At this moment in time, I think we can safely say League One is not his level.

[Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 4,615]

7 minutes ago, pete said:

Not sure he received much encouragement from management.  Here for a long time and never tried at first team level he may have been a success now we'll never now.  

See my post above. If he had no impact in League One, then League Two and now the National League, I don't think the management made a mistake by not giving him a chance in the Championship.

[Walcombe canary 82]

Good Luck to T D P where ever he plays / ends up

[TheGunnShow 7,377]

1 minute ago, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said:

See my post above. If he had no impact in League One, then League Two and now the National League, I don't think the management made a mistake by not giving him a chance in the Championship.

Exactly. The whole damned point of loans is to work out what kind of standard they are batting at when the loan is made. To use two recent-ish examples, Cantwell and Godfrey did very well indeed in their loans, hence why they came back and made their break with us.

Gives them experience at a lower level, and we can gauge where they're at. By definition, if a player's not torn up trees in League One, League Two AND then the National League, he's probably going to fall a very long way short in the Champs.

[Thirsty Lizard 3,215]

I've seen Dickson-Peters play a number of times for the U18s, U21s and U23s. He had a decent goal scoring record at this level and he looked a really good prospect when he was younger (remember he was once included in the Guardian's list of 100 most promising youngsters and was supposedly wanted by Man City). 

Truth is that although he's decent enough technically he just seems to lack that explosive strength and speed off the mark which is so important in the modern game - think Jonathon Rowe and Idam Idah - especially when you're a forward. 

Wish the lad good luck for the future and will be interested to see where his career goes from here. 

[cambridgeshire canary 7,797]

1 hour ago, TheGunnShow said:

Exactly. The whole damned point of loans is to work out what kind of standard they are batting at when the loan is made. To use two recent-ish examples, Cantwell and Godfrey did very well indeed in their loans, hence why they came back and made their break with us.

Gives them experience at a lower level, and we can gauge where they're at. By definition, if a player's not torn up trees in League One, League Two AND then the National League, he's probably going to fall a very long way short in the Champs.

"Gives them experience at a lower level, and we can gauge where they're at"

 

Which is something we should have done with Idah years ago

[Inch High aka Inchy.. 417]

2 hours ago, pete said:

Not sure he received much encouragement from management.  Here for a long time and never tried at first team level he may have been a success now we'll never now.  

What on earth are you talking about? He was never good enough to be tried at first team level.

[......and Smith must score. 1,596]

2 hours ago, pete said:

Not sure he received much encouragement from management.  Here for a long time and never tried at first team level he may have been a success now we'll never now.  

We knew anyway. If he can’t cut the mustard on loan at lower level clubs he won’t do it here. It’s just a fact of football life.

[shefcanary 2,951]

He may yet prove to be a late developer, but where this club is at the present we cannot afford to carry people on the basis of what may be. We currently have 62 signed professionals (albeit 12 of them out on loan) which for a middling Chumps side is probably 15 too many financially. Either we start challenging for promotion again or we cut our cloth accordingly and invest in players who can do a decent job right here right now. I'd prefer it if we were the former given our Cat 1 Academy status, there is the immediate challenge for Knapper. 

[Commonsense 802]

5 hours ago, pete said:

Not sure he received much encouragement from management.  Here for a long time and never tried at first team level he may have been a success now we'll never now.  

Have you actually read the thread. He hasn’t been a success at any of the loan clubs. Why would we try him at first team level?

[Graham Paddons Beard 2,789]

Would be churlish not to wish them both all the best 

[mannings bandy legs 439]

18 hours ago, Thirsty Lizard said:

I've seen Dickson-Peters play a number of times for the U18s, U21s and U23s. He had a decent goal scoring record at this level and he looked a really good prospect when he was younger (remember he was once included in the Guardian's list of 100 most promising youngsters and was supposedly wanted by Man City). 

Truth is that although he's decent enough technically he just seems to lack that explosive strength and speed off the mark which is so important in the modern game - think Jonathon Rowe and Idam Idah - especially when you're a forward. 

Wish the lad good luck for the future and will be interested to see where his career goes from here. 

The one thing Idah does NOT have,is explosive strength!!!!!

[norfolkngood 1,174]

20 hours ago, hogesar said:

No-one said League One was his level.

Not every young footballer is promising.

Very Very few make it ,

if you think most of our successful players from youth level have been poached from other clubs ,

i think personally thats is the way to go  more success rate of them becoming a player 

[Rottingdean canary 138]

It's certainly the case with strikers that very few of the young ones end up making it with us.  I guess it's always extra-appealing to think that we have a great up-and-coming striker in our ranks - Paul Clayton in the 80's and Chris Llewellyn in the 90's both come to mind - but they don't manage to have the careers we and they hope for.  Dickson-Peters always seemed to be the one thought most likely to break through in recent years but he didn't get as close as Tyrese Omotoye in the end.  Abu Kamara  is doing well at Portsmouth it seems but is being played out wide - but may well be in the first team picture for us next year if he continues to develop - he had a great understanding with Rowe in the Academy teams so would be great if they could bring that to the first team.

Of course, it's sometimes one step back and then two forward - so some of these players who leave for lower leagues may end up doing well - eg Carlton Morris and Harry Toffolo.  I was just thinking how wonderful it is that three of our Youth Cup winning team are plying their trade in the EPL.. Jacob Murphy frequently does well when chosen as a starter for Newcastle; Morris is probably the first name on the team sheet for Luton; and Toffolo apparently did very well for Forest in their last game and always equips himself well when I catch snippets of the matches he plays in.  Well done lads!

[Serinus Canaria Domestica 57]

2 minutes ago, Rottingdean canary said:

It's certainly the case with strikers that very few of the young ones end up making it with us.  I guess it's always extra-appealing to think that we have a great up-and-coming striker in our ranks - Paul Clayton in the 80's and Chris Llewellyn in the 90's both come to mind - but they don't manage to have the careers we and they hope for.  Dickson-Peters always seemed to be the one thought most likely to break through in recent years but he didn't get as close as Tyrese Omotoye in the end.  Abu Kamara  is doing well at Portsmouth it seems but is being played out wide - but may well be in the first team picture for us next year if he continues to develop - he had a great understanding with Rowe in the Academy teams so would be great if they could bring that to the first team.

Of course, it's sometimes one step back and then two forward - so some of these players who leave for lower leagues may end up doing well - eg Carlton Morris and Harry Toffolo.  I was just thinking how wonderful it is that three of our Youth Cup winning team are plying their trade in the EPL.. Jacob Murphy frequently does well when chosen as a starter for Newcastle; Morris is probably the first name on the team sheet for Luton; and Toffolo apparently did very well for Forest in their last game and always equips himself well when I catch snippets of the matches he plays in.  Well done lads!

Would be interesting to compare the number of Chelsea players, who lost both legs to Neil Adams’ team, now playing at the top level. 

[Nuff Said 5,960]

22 hours ago, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said:

See my post above. If he had no impact in League One, then League Two and now the National League, I don't think the management made a mistake by not giving him a chance in the Championship.

Yeah, but if he’d been encouraged, who knows what he could have done. Whereas we know the management team will just have been lobbing him a football muttering “kick it then son”, and then wandering off to watch Homes Under the Hammer while he played keepy uppy until sneaking off for a burger and an afternoon of FIFA.

[Yobocop 1,444]

2 hours ago, mannings bandy legs said:

The one thing Idah does NOT have,is explosive strength!!!!!

I wouldn't say he's lacking in that department his main issues are positioning and finishing 

[Thirsty Lizard 3,215]

3 hours ago, mannings bandy legs said:

The one thing Idah does NOT have,is explosive strength!!!!!

He absolutely does if you compare him to Tom Dickson-Peters. (Sorry if that upsets you).

[shefcanary 2,951]

42 minutes ago, Rottingdean canary said:

It's certainly the case with strikers that very few of the young ones end up making it with us.  I guess it's always extra-appealing to think that we have a great up-and-coming striker in our ranks - Paul Clayton in the 80's and Chris Llewellyn in the 90's both come to mind - but they don't manage to have the careers we and they hope for.  Dickson-Peters always seemed to be the one thought most likely to break through in recent years but he didn't get as close as Tyrese Omotoye in the end.  Abu Kamara  is doing well at Portsmouth it seems but is being played out wide - but may well be in the first team picture for us next year if he continues to develop - he had a great understanding with Rowe in the Academy teams so would be great if they could bring that to the first team.

Of course, it's sometimes one step back and then two forward - so some of these players who leave for lower leagues may end up doing well - eg Carlton Morris and Harry Toffolo.  I was just thinking how wonderful it is that three of our Youth Cup winning team are plying their trade in the EPL.. Jacob Murphy frequently does well when chosen as a starter for Newcastle; Morris is probably the first name on the team sheet for Luton; and Toffolo apparently did very well for Forest in their last game and always equips himself well when I catch snippets of the matches he plays in.  Well done lads!

Cameron McGeehan from that Youth Cup win has had to drop down to League 2, but seems pivotal in Colchester's recent revival. Ben Killip is plying his trade at Barnsley, with Joss Murphy now seemingly back in the frame at Oxford; that means half that team are still plying their trades in the EPL / EFL, although as you state, their careers have not been straightforward.

[Graham Paddons Beard 2,789]

47 minutes ago, Thirsty Lizard said:

He absolutely does if you compare him to Tom Dickson-Peters. (Sorry if that upsets you).

Idah does have explosive pace . He doesn’t use it properly and doesn’t appear to me to read a game . I’ve heard from a pro coach that Idah has been too used to being bigger and stronger than his opponent in his early years . As Idah climbed the football pyramid he found defenders as big as he was and his number one competitive attribute is lost. He no longer scores goals because he is bigger than his opponent as he used to.
 

So he now has to work on his starting position which isn’t great. 

I think there is a player there but he needs to develop his ability to be in the right place. Pukki in his pomp had it - great players find and create space. 
Strikers can develop later as they become wiser in finding those spaces and creating easier passes for their team mates. 

 

Edited November 9, 2023 by Graham Paddons Beard