cambridgeshire canary 7,797 Posted October 31, 2023 Of course I'm not happy with the current situation and think its time for Delia to retire too but.. Could you imagine Delia begging us all to pay her money her money to prevent the club from being wound up? https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/sheffield-wednesday-dejphon-chansiri-fans-hmrc-wages-4391378 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt. Pants 5,005 Posted October 31, 2023 Sending round a 'begging bowl' would never happen at our club... 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
littleyellowbirdie 3,138 Posted October 31, 2023 12 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said: Of course I'm not happy with the current situation and think its time for Delia to retire too but.. Could you imagine Delia begging us all to pay her money her money to prevent the club from being wound up? https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/sheffield-wednesday-dejphon-chansiri-fans-hmrc-wages-4391378 Dejphon Chansiri has a net worth of about 720 million dollars apparently. He's claiming personal cash flow issues, but it looks rather like a pointed dig at the fan base for describing him as a 'custodian'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheBaldOne66 768 Posted October 31, 2023 28 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said: Of course I'm not happy with the current situation and think its time for Delia to retire too but.. Could you imagine Delia begging us all to pay her money her money to prevent the club from being wound up? https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/sheffield-wednesday-dejphon-chansiri-fans-hmrc-wages-4391378 Is this any different to what they asked fans to do with the training ground? Remember Huckerby, how a local businessman, also a fan, stumped up the money so we could sign him! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 5,246 Posted October 31, 2023 47 minutes ago, TheBaldOne66 said: Is this any different to what they asked fans to do with the training ground? Remember Huckerby, how a local businessman, also a fan, stumped up the money so we could sign him! You forgot to mention the share issue to cover the ITV Digital shortfall. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deptford Yellow 295 Posted October 31, 2023 Personally I think people who wish Delia to be gone should ‘be careful what they wish for’ 6 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary Wundaboy 1,423 Posted October 31, 2023 People have short memories, it wasn’t that long ago that the club were pleading poverty and asking the fans to pony up money for core facilities and overdue infrastructure improvements. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midlands Yellow 4,682 Posted October 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, Deptford Yellow said: Personally I think people who wish Delia to be gone should ‘be careful what they wish for’ What was the alternative, letting Tom takeover as planned? That would end up well. If Micky and Delia have run the club so well why I have been near the brink on more than occasion. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
essex canary 622 Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said: You forgot to mention the share issue to cover the ITV Digital shortfall. Indeed. Why should us ITV Digital bailout contributors be flattered by the ridiculous paperwork produced trying to extricate NCFC whilst paying huge rewards to the likes of the Webbers. Ditto the Season Ticket supporter surrender of 2009 which turned into a similar sum relegation bonus for McNally 5 years later. Chansiri is coming across rude and ridiculous. That said he is prioritising his lowest earners that doesn't seem to be an NCFC trait and has promised his supporters interest whereas we only pay that to American multimillionaire. Edited October 31, 2023 by essex canary Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 5,246 Posted October 31, 2023 1 minute ago, essex canary said: Indeed. Why should us ITV Digital bailout contributors be flattered by the ridiculous paperwork produced trying to extricate NCFC whilst paying huge rewards to the likes of the Webbers. Ditto the Season Ticket supporter surrender of 2009 which turned into a similar sum relegation bonus for McNally 5 years later. Chansiri is coming across rude and ridiculous. That said he is prioritising his lowest earners that doesn't seem to be an NCFC trait. I suppose the collapse of ITV Digital could be blamed for you holding a few shares ? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,902 Posted October 31, 2023 Maybe Wynnie’s worse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleCanary 6,378 Posted October 31, 2023 34 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said: You forgot to mention the share issue to cover the ITV Digital shortfall. Which provided fans with shares with a resale value. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 5,246 Posted October 31, 2023 1 minute ago, PurpleCanary said: Which provided fans with shares with a resale value. So does that mean you can sell them if you become unhappy with the Club ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleCanary 6,378 Posted October 31, 2023 6 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said: So does that mean you can sell them if you become unhappy with the Club ? Absolutely. Judging by your posts you very much fit into that category and I am sure the Canaries Trust would be very happy to buy your holding...😎 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 5,246 Posted October 31, 2023 6 minutes ago, PurpleCanary said: Absolutely. Judging by your posts you very much fit into that category and I am sure the Canaries Trust would be very happy to buy your holding...😎 Assuming they have the money of course. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleCanary 6,378 Posted October 31, 2023 22 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said: Assuming they have the money of course. I think we do.😍 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Badger 2,745 Posted October 31, 2023 2 hours ago, TheBaldOne66 said: Is this any different to what they asked fans to do with the training ground? Remember Huckerby, how a local businessman, also a fan, stumped up the money so we could sign him! 1 hour ago, Canary Wundaboy said: People have short memories, it wasn’t that long ago that the club were pleading poverty and asking the fans to pony up money for core facilities and overdue infrastructure improvements. If you can't tell the difference between being offered the chance to invest in capital development and being asked to invest to pay the tax bill and wages, I'd suggest that you are very careful when making investments!😁 2 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary Wundaboy 1,423 Posted October 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Badger said: If you can't tell the difference between being offered the chance to invest in capital development and being asked to invest to pay the tax bill and wages, I'd suggest that you are very careful when making investments!😁 I would consider both to be expected costs of running a football club. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Badger 2,745 Posted October 31, 2023 Just now, Canary Wundaboy said: I would consider both to be expected costs of running a football club. Which reinforces the point I made above. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Vince 423 Posted October 31, 2023 I strongly disagree. Not only are there no owners worse than Delia, but she ranks highly as one of the worst people of all time, including Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Saddam, Pol Pot, Pinochet, Idi Amin, Milosovic, Chemical Ali, etc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Commonsense 802 Posted October 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Canary Wundaboy said: I would consider both to be expected costs of running a football club. They are, but capital investment almost always involves a loan at all levels. The training ground gave fans the opportunity to invest if they wished, and it paid them back. It seems to me to have been a sensible way of raising funds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Commonsense 802 Posted October 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, Big Vince said: I strongly disagree. Not only are there no owners worse than Delia, but she ranks highly as one of the worst people of all time, including Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Saddam, Pol Pot, Pinochet, Idi Amin, Milosovic, Chemical Ali, etc Although slightly better than anybody who thinks of themselves as ‘Big’ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 5,246 Posted October 31, 2023 13 minutes ago, PurpleCanary said: I think we do.😍 You keep thinking that as i suggest you do not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
essex canary 622 Posted October 31, 2023 12 minutes ago, PurpleCanary said: I think we do.😍 Are you saying that the Canaries Trust has the money to buy back shares at the same real terms value as 2002. I doubt it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Badger 2,745 Posted October 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, Commonsense said: They are, but capital investment almost always involves a loan at all levels. The training ground gave fans the opportunity to invest if they wished, and it paid them back. It seems to me to have been a sensible way of raising funds. I think my suggestion was a little more pointed - he seems to think that it would be sensible to invest in a company that is seeking money to pay the wages and the tax bill - which suggests that he really shouldn't make anything but the simplest financial investments! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Raptor 1,573 Posted October 31, 2023 9 hours ago, Big Vince said: I strongly disagree. Not only are there no owners worse than Delia, but she ranks highly as one of the worst people of all time, including Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Saddam, Pol Pot, Pinochet, Idi Amin, Milosovic, Chemical Ali, etc You forgot Coldplay 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cambridgeshire canary 7,797 Posted October 31, 2023 49 minutes ago, The Raptor said: You forgot Coldplay Can we add people who don't return their shopping trolleys and just leave them in the middle of the car park to that list? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
essex canary 622 Posted October 31, 2023 10 hours ago, Commonsense said: They are, but capital investment almost always involves a loan at all levels. The training ground gave fans the opportunity to invest if they wished, and it paid them back. It seems to me to have been a sensible way of raising funds. Clearly finance for Capital Investment is logical. By the same token though was it advisable to issue shares to cover the ITV Digital shortfall? They haven't paid the fans back and the shareholders funds took the hit for the bond interest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Davidlingfield 72 Posted October 31, 2023 12 hours ago, cambridgeshire canary said: Of course I'm not happy with the current situation and think its time for Delia to retire too but.. Could you imagine Delia begging us all to pay her money her money to prevent the club from being wound up? https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/sheffield-wednesday-dejphon-chansiri-fans-hmrc-wages-4391378 Actually - what Chansiri is doing is pretty similar to what we have had to do. We have turned to a random American to fund our cash flow shortfall (with a protracted takeover period and god knows what afterwards thrown in). Chansiri has turned to fans instead, but the principle is the same. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sufyellow 250 Posted October 31, 2023 12 hours ago, Capt. Pants said: Sending round a 'begging bowl' would never happen at our club... Only if you get relegated to league one and want to buy holt Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
