Hardhouse44 289 Posted October 23, 2023 The club’s remit as I understand it is to be a regular top 6 side. Or top 26 as they has said before. However there’s no proof to back that up. Who out of the current available squad would walk in to a starting line up of a top six side at present. Sara I’m sure could probably Rowe on his early form and maybe Gunn would interest one or two of the top six but who else. Duffy and Gibson. I don’t think any of the teams would want either above what they have. Batth, well we’ve not seen him yet but Sunderland are a top six side currently and they didn’t want him. Giannoulis and Stacey. Both decent attacking fullbacks. Defensively lacking and neither have anything that would transfer up to the premiership if promoted. I’m doubtful if any top six side would see them as an improvements. Sainz who knows, not sure we will know under Wagner as he seem vert reluctant to play him. Mclean, Hernandez, Nunez, Forshaw Gibbs hmmmm. All mid to lower table championship quality. Fassnacth don’t make me laugh! Idah and Hwang. Don’t think there’s a single championship side that would take either of them above what we have. As for the currently unavailable Sargent and Barnes. It obvious Sarge is a good championship level striker. I say he’d interest a few. Barnes, no chance, to old to slow to few goals. Any others I’ve failed to mention please feel free to point out if they would walk in to a top six side. But if I’ve not bothered to mention them I doubt they would. So there we have it Sara and Rowe, maybe Gunny and Sarge but they wouldn’t just waltz in. Their rest, just fodder. In conclusion the manager is poor and makes very poor substitutions but the squad is equally as poor and until we have strong, decisive leadership from a board committed to growth and improvement this club will flounder in the ašre end of the championship or worse for years! 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cambridgeshire canary 7,798 Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) Correction for you; Sunderland loved and wanted to keep Batth their player of the season but he demanded wages that were too high for them. Edited October 23, 2023 by cambridgeshire canary 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulfotto 798 Posted October 23, 2023 McLean was wanted by Leeds in the summer. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BroadstairsR 2,273 Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said: Correction for you; Sunderland loved and wanted to keep Batth their player of the season but he demanded wages that were too high for them. If that is actually true, and I have no reason to doubt it considering he was clearly popular at Sunderland, then it is quite clear that he got the wages he demanded from City. This implies that they are quite high due to the fact that not even Sunderland, no minnows for sure, failed to adhere to them. Yet, he remains on the bench whilst we keep faith with the pairing that continually fails to inspire confidence and once even contributed to a defensive display that let in six goals against a team who currently sit 21st. in the league. Meanwhile the manager who has presided over one win in eight games and seems generally clueless waxes lyrical about the earlier than expected return of Grant Hanley therefore implying that Bahht could soon be relegated further down the list of starters. There is so much that can be said about all this total nonsense, but quite frankly words fail me apart from stating that the curtains should have been brought down on this Webber/Wagner pantomime long before now. Edited October 23, 2023 by BroadstairsR 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardhouse44 289 Posted October 23, 2023 1 hour ago, cambridgeshire canary said: Correction for you; Sunderland loved and wanted to keep Batth their player of the season but he demanded wages that were too high for them. Say who. And even so we’re talking wages higher than they believed he was worth. Or they’d have paid it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Feedthewolf 5,885 Posted October 23, 2023 The thread title is a bit misleading... how is it 'lies' that we aspire to be a top six side? I'm sure we do aspire to be a top six side, and at the moment we're only two points off that. I don't deny that our current momentum seems to be pulling us in the other direction, and personally I'm not convinced by either Wagner or the 'grizzled veterans' transfer policy, but the title of this thread just doesn't seem to match the content. Also a bit strange to say Wagner seems 'very reluctant' to play Sainz when he's been out injured since half way through pre-season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 10,762 Posted October 23, 2023 32 minutes ago, Hardhouse44 said: Say who. And even so we’re talking wages higher than they believed he was worth. Or they’d have paid it! Sunderland fans were very keen to keep and by all accounts Sunderland claim a contract offer was there for him. McLean was wanted by Leeds and we rejected their bids. Stacey is proven at Championship level including promotion. Arguably Gini is too. Nunez was attracting interest from Brighton, although that one is speculation in that I've not seen any confirmation. So essentially when fully fit the spine of our team, I'd argue the starting eleven as a whole, is top 6 material and our results with a full strength side back that up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Making Plans 957 Posted October 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, hogesar said: So essentially when fully fit the spine of our team, I'd argue the starting eleven as a whole, is top 6 material and our results with a full strength side back that up. Really? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,902 Posted October 23, 2023 This is deja vu for Boro at home in October. Let's hope the reult is deja vu too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
By Hook or Ian crook 943 Posted October 23, 2023 I aspire to take Claudia Schiefer out in a date doesn’t mean it will happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Google Bot 3,931 Posted October 23, 2023 13 minutes ago, By Hook or Ian crook said: I aspire to take Claudia Schiefer out in a date doesn’t mean it will happen. If you hollowed it out and found a device to shrink you both, it may be possible? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bert 236 Posted October 23, 2023 We have Directors that are mediocre they can only operate with mediocrity , they appoint mediocre people who perform with mediocrity and they sign players that are mediocre the results on the pitch are at best mediocre It’s hardly surprising we are where we are Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardhouse44 289 Posted October 23, 2023 1 hour ago, hogesar said: Sunderland fans were very keen to keep and by all accounts Sunderland claim a contract offer was there for him. McLean was wanted by Leeds and we rejected their bids. Stacey is proven at Championship level including promotion. Arguably Gini is too. Nunez was attracting interest from Brighton, although that one is speculation in that I've not seen any confirmation. So essentially when fully fit the spine of our team, I'd argue the starting eleven as a whole, is top 6 material and our results with a full strength side back that up. You and your kin are like flat earth believers. Despite the unquestionable evidence you choose to believe something different and whenever that belief is challenged you make up something to fit. Mclean bid? Says who. The club. The club that buries bad news with a contract extension to an injured player. Nunez interesting Brighton. That’s Brighton who are seventh in the Premier league, who finished sixth last year. Interested in a player who can’t get a regular start in our team! Stacey and Gini are ok but top Championship players. Nah. I believe stats show Stacey didn’t make a single tackle against Leeds. Oh and Sunderland who made an offer but Batth wanted to sit on our bench for more money I guess. Sorry but I don’t believe in a flat earth and I don’t believe anything the club and it’s spin doctors current spew out! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleCanary 6,384 Posted October 23, 2023 1 hour ago, hogesar said: Sunderland fans were very keen to keep and by all accounts Sunderland claim a contract offer was there for him. McLean was wanted by Leeds and we rejected their bids. Stacey is proven at Championship level including promotion. Arguably Gini is too. Nunez was attracting interest from Brighton, although that one is speculation in that I've not seen any confirmation. So essentially when fully fit the spine of our team, I'd argue the starting eleven as a whole, is top 6 material and our results with a full strength side back that up. If we’d had one out of Sargent or Barnes fit all the way through we would be in the top six now.The loss of both seems to have had a destabilising effect on our tactics. We can no longer defend from the front, which puts added pressure on midfield and by extension then on the defence. That said, Wagner could have changed the tactics accordingly, but the constraining factor there is that Idah is either just not that good or permanently unlucky, or both, and Hwang is either just not the kind of player we need as a replacement or still coming to terms with English football, or both. Either way, we currently don’t have available a top-six level striker. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paddycanary 579 Posted October 23, 2023 1 hour ago, By Hook or Ian crook said: I aspire to take Claudia Schiefer out in a date doesn’t mean it will happen. Gangland style? Seems harsh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulfotto 798 Posted October 23, 2023 Can I just point out we are 2 points from the top 26. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 10,762 Posted October 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Hardhouse44 said: You and your kin are like flat earth believers. Despite the unquestionable evidence you choose to believe something different and whenever that belief is challenged you make up something to fit. Mclean bid? Says who. The club. The club that buries bad news with a contract extension to an injured player. Nunez interesting Brighton. That’s Brighton who are seventh in the Premier league, who finished sixth last year. Interested in a player who can’t get a regular start in our team! Stacey and Gini are ok but top Championship players. Nah. I believe stats show Stacey didn’t make a single tackle against Leeds. Oh and Sunderland who made an offer but Batth wanted to sit on our bench for more money I guess. Sorry but I don’t believe in a flat earth and I don’t believe anything the club and it’s spin doctors current spew out! Why would the club make up a bid about Mclean from Leeds? And why would Leeds let that bid stand? And why would the player let that bid stand? And why would a non-existent bid result in us offering the player another contract when already in term? You really do sound like a flat earth believer. Please don't let me know about your thoughts on 9/11 and Covid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 10,762 Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) 39 minutes ago, PurpleCanary said: If we’d had one out of Sargent or Barnes fit all the way through we would be in the top six now.The loss of both seems to have had a destabilising effect on our tactics. We can no longer defend from the front, which puts added pressure on midfield and by extension then on the defence. That said, Wagner could have changed the tactics accordingly, but the constraining factor there is that Idah is either just not that good or permanently unlucky, or both, and Hwang is either just not the kind of player we need as a replacement or still coming to terms with English football, or both. Either way, we currently don’t have available a top-six level striker. Yes, Wagner should have adjusted by now in all honesty but the evidence which @Hardhouse44 is so committed too actually demonstrably proves the opposite point he's making - if everyone's fit we are a top 6 team. The problem, as always in the division, is we are far from the only club who can make that claim. Edited October 23, 2023 by hogesar Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardhouse44 289 Posted October 23, 2023 1 hour ago, hogesar said: Yes, Wagner should have adjusted by now in all honesty but the evidence which @Hardhouse44 is so committed too actually demonstrably proves the opposite point he's making - if everyone's fit we are a top 6 team. The problem, as always in the division, is we are far from the only club who can make that claim. But how often is everyone’s first team all fit. Oh I forgot we’re the only team that gets injuries! And if everyone’s team is always fully fit and we’re FAR from the only team who can make that claim the how many are you claiming can. Only six teams can be in the top six! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sufyellow 250 Posted October 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Bert said: We have Directors that are mediocre they can only operate with mediocrity , they appoint mediocre people who perform with mediocrity and they sign players that are mediocre the results on the pitch are at best mediocre It’s hardly surprising we are where we are We once had an above mediocre manager though. You would never believe what happened to him. . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
