PLEASE! WILL YOU GET A GRIP!

[Rudolph Hucker 0]

It is time for the vitriolic to get a grip.

Nothing new can be said other than to attempt to out extreme what has been said before and to revert to bad taste; which in itself will demoralise the author and readers as much as the subject.

Frenetic posting of the same themes eventually becomes tiresome and alienating.

The irony is: those of you who protest loudest are, by your own accounts, ongoing season ticket holders so give the Club no financial concern whilst acquiescing to mediocrity, derision and an unsavoury matchday experience.

There is still an opportunity here for supporters to take the moral high ground. Points have been made and publicly acknowledged in various ways through the statement by Delia and Michael to the pitchside histrionics of Nigel Worthington.

Furthermore, splits are developing and unhealthy divisions are arising between supporters. It will not be long before blame at absenteeism from matches becomes attributed to the atmosphere and protests as much as at the quality of football. If that happens, and I rather suspect this is what the Club are aiming for then the protesters are at risk of losing their credibility and mandate.

I have not pointed the finger at anyone in this post as this is unhelpful and I hope any responders resist the temptation to do so too. My suggestion would be that NCISA issue a statement post the meeting with NCFC that they stand by their decision regarding Nigel Worthington and explaining why. NCISA should go on to say they deplore any personal, verbal or written comments against individuals within the Club and ask supporters to suspend their protest marches as the point has been made.

I would urge those of you who post against personalities to take a step back and ask yourself whether you have allowed your remarks to go beyond reasonable bounds. If you are unsure what these are then stop posting, do something else for a few days and then try again. Rather like buying something on a whim a cooling off period can tell you if it is really what you want or just a heat of the moment thing.

As for the Worthy Out website, again, keep it within taste, retain your credibility but be there as a monitoring pressure group so the Club knows they are being judged.

Have any of you ever seen rioting? The rioters tend to destroy their own communities, own facilities, own things as do disaffected vandals. Do not destroy your own Club, rise above it, set the tone, make a statement, demand respect through your good conduct and stick to your opinions.

As for me, I have not renewed because I do not feel like doing so. I have neither blind faith nor malice and accept everyone has their reasons for doing likewise or otherwise. I cannot, however, see any reason for this descent into degrading diatribe.

Please! Please! Get a grip!

[LinkNR9 0]

Rudolph -  I feel this is a patronising and condesending post and one which surprises me from a poster of your high standing. Yes, I have seen rioting for real, and to compare it to our Club''s current situation is profane. 

I believe that it is not your place to suggest how we, as individuals, should express our feelings. I suggest that you ask yourself why there are such huge divisions amongst supporters. You talk about "an unsavoury matchday experience". Plenty of people have endured such an unsavoury experience, having forked out hundreds of pounds to go to Luton, Crystal Palace, QPR, Reading, Millwall, etc., etc. Delia''s statement today set out how the Board had heard what was being said - sadly, it appears that they are not LISTENING - there is a world of difference. Feelings are running very high - based on passion for the Club''s situation - but the mere fact that there is such a schism amongst the supporters speaks volumes. Can you remember such a divide during your time as a fan here?

It should be understood that the Worthy Outers are, just like those who disagree with them, in this for the long ride. The protests and disatisfaction will not go away, despite the implorings and tactics of those who are not in agreement.   

 

[Rudolph Hucker 0]

Link,

I in no way intended to patronise anyone and pointed to no individual posters. I thought I acknowledged peoples range of views.

The riot and vandalism analogy was intended to show how people in frustration often turn in against themselves and their own, it is destructive and happens to various degrees. Animals will self mutilate in stressful situations, people will act in similar ways hence posts such as those wanting to see City lose matches to raise the ante.

Supporters who pay voluntarily to attend a match are entitled to their expectations but should know it guarantees nothing except an entitlement to a point of view, there is certainly no entitlement to sympathy.

The scism between supporters will carry it''s own momentum and deepen unless individuals speak up and say ''enough!'' A step back to review the situation needs to be taken and yes, I have seen it before during the Chase era and it cost the Club a great deal of patronage which took years to revive.

What has to be asked here is: do the means justify the end. Many of us want Worthington replaced but do not see supporter to supporter in-fighting and derision towards the team as worth the end result as this is ultimately more harmful to the Club than a bad manager.

I intended to step in between the polarised views and to bring a different perspective to this arguement. I also sought to make suggestions as opposed to just throwing out comments and intended to show honesty about my own situation as I am not setting myself above anyone else.

Perhaps my post did genuinely seem partonising and condescending, however, it is difficult to say anything at the moment which is not misconstrued.

[Paul Aldrich 0]

Rudolph, superb post and and put far more eloquently than my earlier posting exchange with Citizen Foghorn, I really do believe the best way foward is to call a "truce", if things improve on the pitch on a consistent basis we are all winners, if they do not then the club will not be able to point the finger at the fans.

[0peteddMMyyyy0Falseen-USTrue 0]

If things improve on the pitch, only been waiting most of last and all this season, if you could convince me things will improve, I and most of the diillusioned would be placated.  But we know it will not improve underc current stewardship. 

[Oso Butch 0]

BUT, if the phrase ''things improving on the pitch'' simply means week after week of dire, tedious football - even if we do grind out some wins (to quote somebody well known to us...) - is that really what want?  I don''t think so. 

Because, even if that approach were to achieve promotion again (a somewhat forlorn hope, as things stand) we know that, under the same ''leadership'', we would be doomed to immediate relegation again. 

We''ve got to aim for better than that and, IMHO, that means a change at the top - now.  In other words, a new man with a new backroom team, new ideas, a different management style and a more effective style of play.   

We see it being achieved all around us in this division and elsewhere, and with far more limited resources than NW has had at his disposal.  Why can''t we have some of it?  [8o|] 

I believe the Stowmarket Two see Worthy as ''trying his best'' (and he probably is) and they respect him for that, but IMO it''s blinding them to the shocking results being achieved (21 wins in 75 league games) and the impact this is having on fan/Board relationships.

[gazzathegreat 0]

Rudolph, the sorry state our club is in is of course very sad, painful and we all want the best for our club, most of all ...

I am sure we just want to have a nice day out, socialising with friends and family, going to watch a match when our team all want to win, can play reasonably entertaining football so we can go home at the end of the match happy....

It''s not happening at the moment - we all know that the dire stuff being served up is crap and should not be entertained by any football supporter, let alone us, loyal NCFC fans used to much better, and for many of us, brought up on attacking football played on the floor, it''s sort of sticking in the throat a bit to be honest!

The protesters all of course have slightly different agendas for protesting.  No two people have the same opinion.  Mine is that we should be (given our club resources) playing much better than this, alas the powers that be seem to be content to wait for the good times to return.  I doubt they will under this manager. 

I have taken time out from this messageboard for reasons other than the infighting... but it doesn''t help.  I love football debates and have made many friends from meeting Pink Un people.  The current situation at the club divides us as we probably knew it would. 

Alas times are bad and feelings are running high.  I have today read many posts on this site and others and wonder if the board really do understand just how desperately sad most of us are, and that a lot of us are not the sort of people who accept things as they are, but want to push for change.  I hate confrontation, but I also hate to watch the sort of football we are expected to watch just now.  What do we do, sit and hope that things get better?  And if so, for how long? 

 

[Paul Aldrich 0]

I am not saying that performances will improve if there is a "truce", neither am I saying that I agree that the atmosphere at CR is why we are in 10th place ( we have won when its been like a morgue and lost/drawn when there has been a "wall of noise"). What I am saying is that if there is a "truce" and performances do not improve, the protests/atmosphere thing will be one less excuse for the club to trot out. From a personal point of view an "improvement in performances" will be some decent footy, not struggling to despatch mediocre teams and better results away from home, particularly against "half decent" opposition. If we do the sensible thing and take the moral high ground now and things do not improve then by all means arrange some sort of protest before/after (not during) the final game, continue protesting come what may and risk eroding the support of people like myself......

[T07 0]

[quote user="Rudolph Hucker"]

The scism between supporters will carry it''s own momentum and deepen unless individuals speak up and say ''enough!'' A step back to review the situation needs to be taken and yes, I have seen it before during the Chase era and it cost the Club a great deal of patronage which took years to revive.

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Who are you to say ''Enough'' and at what point? One judged by you to be an acceptable point in the demo?

Stop it. You DEFINE patronising.

We generally "step back" 6 days a week, I''ve "Stepped back" every close season.

Since the day Worthington took over we have failed to play attractive football with any conisitancy at all. This isn''t just a knee  jerk reaction to a few bad results or even this entire season. Its been coming from a long way back, only those who were blinded by fortunate results at whatever price where too slow to see where we were headed

[Rudolph Hucker 0]

I guess the patronised thing is a subjective matter.

At risk of being patronising I think a persons susceptibility to being patronised depends on their ability for whatever reason to properly read and comprehend what the poster has actually written.

Some of you simply patronise yourselves.

Get a grip!

[First Wizard 0]

[quote user="Rudolph Hucker"]

I guess the patronised thing is a subjective matter.

At risk of being patronising I think a persons susceptibility to being patronised depends on their ability for whatever reason to properly read and comprehend what the poster has actually written.

Some of you simply patronise yourselves.

Get a grip!

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A classic Rudolph lesson in how to win friends and impress posters!.

I''m impressed.

[Rudolph Hucker 0]

Win friends and impress posters?

Who are friends 1st Wizard? People who agree with you?

It is clear that moderation is derided by the frenzied, however, is it not beginning to become clear that the more radical opponents of Worthington are beginning to isolate themselves through their methods. They are potentially the best aids to Worthington and the Board as supporters in general, whatever their opinions, will wish to avoid association with them.

I can see it, can''t you?

[beelsie 0]

I would like to point out that in my opinion.  That the disatisfaction is not actually about Worthy out it is a complete rejection of the squads inability over at least two seasons to play football as it should be played, no spirit when we go behind, inability to take initiative, and inability to take a game by the scruff of the neck. Neither is it that we have not achieved top spot in the championship. It is the lack of quality in the foot ball produced. The exception in my opinion was the game at Sheffield United a counter attacking game that had almost all those attributes mentioned earlier in this paragraph. The same manager was in charge; strange, were the tactics his or was the team doing it their way, who gets the credit/or blame.  There has''nt been a repeat performance, and it does''nt look like there will be!!!!  But in my estimation the protest is decidedly a frustration mark as opposed to a Question mark?????

[Rudolph Hucker 0]

I am pleased to note that most posters seem to have ''got a grip'' over the last week.

Is this the post match lull, the calm before the storm?

Have the frenzied run out of things to say or are we all back on a more even keel?

The next step is to abandon any more street protests ahead of the Sheffield match as surely beating Colin''s bunch is singularly something to aspire to and nothing needs to distract the team.

How about a fans statement taking the initiative with this, thus taking the moral high ground.

You can still keep your aims but don''t let the means justify the ends.

[Rudolph Hucker 0]

Oh Dear! Too slow. Old Kipper has skipped in and delivered the next blow. Any statements of reconciliation now will look like obsequience.

NCSIA this was your responsibility and you did not take the opportunity to seize the day. The protest was made, the point was made, the responses were made and you just sat on your hands when the Board delayed you.

[Silver Canary 0]

Typical KTF rubblish! Are only chance is to get rid of Worthy. People like you are stopping Norwich from progressing. Worthy out

[Rudolph Hucker 0]

Silver Canary missed the point

Typical KTF rubblish! Are only chance is to get rid of Worthy. People like you are stopping Norwich from progressing. Worthy out

LOL

[T07 0]

[quote user="Rudolph Hucker"]

 

At risk of being patronising I think a persons susceptibility to being patronised depends on their ability for whatever reason to properly read and comprehend what the poster has actually written.

 

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You are imposing your personal levels of tolerance to form a criteria to which you suggest we should behave.I find the manner in which you put forward your point of view and your assumption that others fail to grasp it, to be extremely patronising..............

[Rudolph Hucker 0]

The thing is TO7 that the mood of posters and the statement of the worthyout website clearly back my original point.

The situation has moved on, my original post was clearly ahead of it''s time and although you felt patronised unless you want to protest on Saturday with Silver Canary (perhaps you could go for a swim together first then start out from the car park of the same) I suggest you stop flogging that dead former high horse and move on.

[Evil Monkey 52]

Hi Rudolph.

At the risk of sounding unpopular (not that I actually give a monkeys), I entirely agree with your original post and saw nothing patronising in it, purely an appeal for calm!

I think some of the responses have justified your points about some posters getting out of hand with their responses.

As I pointed out on another thread, when our fans are united and behind the team, we''re awesome! So let''s get noisy on Saturday!

[Rudolph Hucker 0]

Thanks Evil Monkey,

The patronising responses I added to my original post were intentional so that some people could learn to recognise the difference.

[T07 0]

[quote user="Evil Monkey"]

Hi Rudolph.

At the risk of sounding unpopular (not that I actually give a

monkeys), I entirely agree with your original post and saw nothing

patronising in it, purely an appeal for calm!

I think some of the responses have justified your points about some posters getting out of hand with their responses.

As I pointed out on another thread, when our fans are united and behind the team, we''re awesome! So let''s get noisy on Saturday!

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Its not apopularity contest Evil, you have your opinion. Rudolf on the

other hand indicated a desire for others to act according to his

standards, implying that anything less was the road ruin.

And Rudolph I''m sorry, your last post didn''t make any sense to me.

Again voice your opinion but dont do it from a self built moral

platform that you should be supporting for your own ideals, not

preaching from

[Rudolph Hucker 0]

In the interests of the old entente cordiale TO7 you can consider yourself to have had the last word.

Love

Rudolph.