Season ticket sales - sell out

[hogesar 9,657]

15 hours ago, Graham Paddons Beard said:

Why do you keep on about the Binners , Midland ? What is it ? I don’t take  much notice of individual posters but you keep cropping up. You even call them Town? 
 

Are you are Binner ? If so , pïss off .

Takes all sorts of course, but to be compelled to post about Binners season ticket sales on our forum is a...odd one.

Probs a binner.

[nutty nigel 7,527]

Football is different things to different folks. I don't really see supporting your team as primarily entertainment. Supporting your local team is community. It's got its own culture. We refer the people we share this with as our 'football family'. Sometimes I think it's more like church than entertainment. You don't go to the pictures and stand and applaud for a minute because someone else who went to the pictures just died. I have even known people who don't really like football avidly supporting Norwich City home and away. They enjoy the tribal aspect I guess.

One of the 'had to be there moments' in recent years was the 1-1 draw against the binners in 2018. Was it entertaining? I don't really remember anything except what happened at the end of the game. So probably not. 

I do think watching football on TV is entertainment. If the game is rubbish you would either watch something else or be distracted by doing something else whilst it's on.

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1 hour ago, nutty nigel said:

Football is different things to different folks. I don't really see supporting your team as primarily entertainment. Supporting your local team is community. It's got its own culture. We refer the people we share this with as our 'football family'. Sometimes I think it's more like church than entertainment. You don't go to the pictures and stand and applaud for a minute because someone else who went to the pictures just died. I have even known people who don't really like football avidly supporting Norwich City home and away. They enjoy the tribal aspect I guess.

One of the 'had to be there moments' in recent years was the 1-1 draw against the binners in 2018. Was it entertaining? I don't really remember anything except what happened at the end of the game. So probably not. 

I do think watching football on TV is entertainment. If the game is rubbish you would either watch something else or be distracted by doing something else whilst it's on.

You make a fair point but this made me laugh. Nice analogy 😆

[......and Smith must score. 1,339]

3 hours ago, chicken said:

Nope. Not agreeing to disagree.

3 hours ago, chicken said:

Nope. Not agreeing to disagree.

Sport exists without spectators, it's just not professional.

Leisure isn't an industry as such, it's just a word given to what people do in their own time. Walking, stamp collecting, boating... non-competitive sports, where people are not competing with others and their goal is socialising/fitness etc.

Like I said before, this 'entertainment industry' label is reletively new, and dare I say it, a Sky/broadcaster spin/buzz word term.

With the theatre or cinema, your argument is pretty poor. It is far more predictable and formulaic. The main factor is the delivery of the actors.

Competitive sport is different. Any one of the matchday squad has the oppertunity to be the leading 'actor' - but it isn't just down to them.

They are directly competing with a different set of players who's job it is to constantly prevent them from performing. That's before head coaches with tactics and injuries etc.

The 'entertainment' comes from the thrill of every game being different, watching those battles on the pitch hoping that your side will triumph.

There are three outcomes in footy: win, lose, draw. You know that going to the game.

As I've said, I've seen us play better than the opposition and lose by a goal. I've seen the reverse of that. I've seen a 3-0 win become boring where a draw has been scintilating from start to finish.

Sport simply can never be purely 'entertainment' because ultimately, the players are paid to win, and not to deliver entertainment. Just aske Stoke and Burnley fans.

With the theatre or cinema, your argument is pretty poor. It is far more predictable and formulaic. The main factor is the delivery of the actors.

Competitive sport is different. Any one of the matchday squad has the oppertunity to be the leading 'actor' - but it isn't just down to them.

They are directly competing with a different set of players who's job it is to constantly prevent them from performing. That's before head coaches with tactics and injuries etc.

The 'entertainment' comes from the thrill of every game being different, watching those battles on the pitch hoping that your side will triumph.

There are three outcomes in footy: win, lose, draw. You know that going to the game.

As I've said, I've seen us play better than the opposition and lose by a goal. I've seen the reverse of that. I've seen a 3-0 win become boring where a draw has been scintilating from start to finish.

Sport simply can never be purely 'entertainment' because ultimately, the players are paid to win, and not to deliver entertainment. Just aske Stoke and Burnley fans.

We're never going to agree but everything on here that's not factual is just an opinion so there's no right or wrong. You think attending a professional sport fixture shouldn't be classed as entertainment in the general sense but I do.

This thread has been fairly evenly split on the subject which I'd hope you'd agree is how forums should work.

 

 

 

Edited May 28, 2023 by ......and Smith must score.

[Midlands Yellow 3,970]

18 minutes ago, ......and Smith must score. said:

We're never going to agree but everything on here that's not factual is just an opinion so there's no right or wrong. You think attending a professional sport fixture shouldn't be classed as entertainment in the general sense but I do.

This thread has been fairly evenly split on the subject which I'd hope you'd agree is how forums should work.

 

 

 

Quite correct. 

[chicken 2,624]

8 hours ago, ......and Smith must score. said:

We're never going to agree but everything on here that's not factual is just an opinion so there's no right or wrong. You think attending a professional sport fixture shouldn't be classed as entertainment in the general sense but I do.

This thread has been fairly evenly split on the subject which I'd hope you'd agree is how forums should work.

Nope.

"Entertainment Industry" isn't just some random combination of words. If you look it up you'll find it is used to describe "show business" or:

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Again, it isn't just opinion. If I want to go to the theatre. I have a look on the website and see what's on. I can go for anything from a play, to musical, to comedy. See here:

Now, what does the info button have install for us?

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So when you buy a ticket, you know you are going to get a comedy show. I very much doubt another comedian is going to go up on stage, physically battle him for the same space whilst also trying to win more cheers and claps etc.

The same can be said of movies which all have trailers about the content as well as blurbs to go with them. You are literally buying the experience you want. If you liked period dramas you wouldn't look up a Marvel Movie and say "Oh yes, that's the next best thing since Downton Abbey."

It is really important to differentiate, the overlap comes with television because that IS part of the entertainment industry. Though in their view it will be how they present the sporting events as much as what happens in them, as they have next to no control over that other than to dress it up with drama and exaggerated commentary. Don't believe me? Watch some old footage and consider why the older commentators were far less excitable about it.

Now you, personally, might buy a ticket and expect to be entertained. That in of itself doesn't make it fit the definition of the "entertainment industry". You can't redefine it.

There are just too many variables in sport to be able to go and expect to be entertained in the same way as most actual entertainment industry areas because usually critics etc are given advanced viewings ahead of general release at which point they will tell you how good whatever it is actually is. 

Another example of cinema, TV listings are not really any different:


And on most occasions, you don't go to a gig unless you have listened to some of the bands/artists music. And again, there are not rival bands jumping on stage to fight for the same space at the same time to win the concert or whatever.

It just doesn't fit.

Again, the entertainment industry is entirely focused on entertaining people. Football isn't. The premier league is worth so much money it actually makes what fans feel about the football irrelevant. Something a lot of people missed about the pandemic and football playing on without fans. It hits clubs of our size, but the dent it made to the likes of Man City etc is incredibly minimal. They don't actually need fans in the ground to be financially sound at this point.

Take viewers away from TV, listeners from Radio, bums on seats in cinemas and theatres and fans away from gigs and they simply cease to exist. You take fans away from a pro football club and you have an amateur league team. Which is where it all started.

It might be opinion, but it has a spine of supporting evidence. Where as yours is 100% opinion based upon a lack of results and a poor finishing position. That's fine. It doesn't make it part of the entertainment industry though.

Edited May 28, 2023 by chicken

[dylanisabaddog 4,903]

About 50 years ago Stoke City bored Highbury to death in a 0-0 draw. The press mentioned the lack of entertainment in the conference after the game and the Stoke manager told them "if you want entertainment, go to the circus". 

[Robert N. LiM 4,312]

Sport is way better than entertainment. 

[Mello Yello 2,289]

10 hours ago, chicken said:

Nope.

"Entertainment Industry" isn't just some random combination of words. If you look it up you'll find it is used to describe "show business" or:

Again, it isn't just opinion. If I want to go to the theatre. I have a look on the website and see what's on. I can go for anything from a play, to musical, to comedy. See here:

Now, what does the info button have install for us?

So when you buy a ticket, you know you are going to get a comedy show. I very much doubt another comedian is going to go up on stage, physically battle him for the same space whilst also trying to win more cheers and claps etc.

The same can be said of movies which all have trailers about the content as well as blurbs to go with them. You are literally buying the experience you want. If you liked period dramas you wouldn't look up a Marvel Movie and say "Oh yes, that's the next best thing since Downton Abbey."

It is really important to differentiate, the overlap comes with television because that IS part of the entertainment industry. Though in their view it will be how they present the sporting events as much as what happens in them, as they have next to no control over that other than to dress it up with drama and exaggerated commentary. Don't believe me? Watch some old footage and consider why the older commentators were far less excitable about it.

Now you, personally, might buy a ticket and expect to be entertained. That in of itself doesn't make it fit the definition of the "entertainment industry". You can't redefine it.

There are just too many variables in sport to be able to go and expect to be entertained in the same way as most actual entertainment industry areas because usually critics etc are given advanced viewings ahead of general release at which point they will tell you how good whatever it is actually is. 

Another example of cinema, TV listings are not really any different:


And on most occasions, you don't go to a gig unless you have listened to some of the bands/artists music. And again, there are not rival bands jumping on stage to fight for the same space at the same time to win the concert or whatever.

It just doesn't fit.

Again, the entertainment industry is entirely focused on entertaining people. Football isn't. The premier league is worth so much money it actually makes what fans feel about the football irrelevant. Something a lot of people missed about the pandemic and football playing on without fans. It hits clubs of our size, but the dent it made to the likes of Man City etc is incredibly minimal. They don't actually need fans in the ground to be financially sound at this point.

Take viewers away from TV, listeners from Radio, bums on seats in cinemas and theatres and fans away from gigs and they simply cease to exist. You take fans away from a pro football club and you have an amateur league team. Which is where it all started.

It might be opinion, but it has a spine of supporting evidence. Where as yours is 100% opinion based upon a lack of results and a poor finishing position. That's fine. It doesn't make it part of the entertainment industry though.

...Even though it's a Bank Holiday I just really can't be hearsed to read all that.....

[chicken 2,624]

47 minutes ago, Mello Yello said:

...Even though it's a Bank Holiday I just really can't be hearsed to read all that.....

Shame -  not.

Recovered yet?

[nutty nigel 7,527]

It seems like some are supporters while others are the audience.

Each to their own.

 

[TIL 1010 4,737]

1 hour ago, nutty nigel said:

It seems like some are supporters while others are the audience.

Each to their own.

 

It wasn't that long ago that the club referred to you by your customer number before changing it to supporter.

[hogesar 9,657]

Isn't the main difference simply that entertainment industries are generally predictable?

Now, some might argue this season was predictable to some...but generally speaking the entire lure of football is how unpredictable it is, surely?

[Dr Greenthumb 746]

5 minutes ago, hogesar said:

Isn't the main difference simply that entertainment industries are generally predictable?

Now, some might argue this season was predictable to some...but generally speaking the entire lure of football is how unpredictable it is, surely?

Unless we are in a game against the top 6 and a VAR decision hangs in the balance. Very predictable which way it’s going!

[nutty nigel 7,527]

44 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

It wasn't that long ago that the club referred to you by your customer number before changing it to supporter.

They can refer to me by whatever they like it won't change me being a supporter...

I've never met the Pope though...

Edited May 29, 2023 by nutty nigel
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[Mello Yello 2,289]

2 hours ago, chicken said:

Shame -  not.

Recovered yet?

Recovered from what?.....I think you're confusing me with someone else me ole clucker mucker....Read who writes what before stickin' your beak in....

Oh, I haven't imbibed this Bank Holiday.....I have my responsibilities.....

[shefcanary 2,392]

My favourite live band were The Fall. Was it entertainment? 🤔 Closer to sport really, you never knew what you were going to see, or how the star player was going to perform or even if he'd put in an appearance. Then there was the tinkering he'd do onstafe, changing amps settings on the fly. And until the last few years, the line up was always changing. You knew you'd hear a new song but would the quality be as good as previous ones? But no matter if you saw a disaster, you'd still go to a gig the next tour because on their night, The Fall sound was something that was truly amazing, justnlike when Norwich click into gear there is very little in life to match it! 

I don't think this clarifies much, but my motivation to seeing The Fall was very little different for my reason to watch Norwich! Entertainment is in the eyes (and ears) of the beholder! 😄 

But, boy I really miss not being able to see The Fall. Enjoy Norwich every match you get to! 

Edited May 29, 2023 by shefcanary

[chicken 2,624]

22 hours ago, Mello Yello said:

Recovered from what?.....I think you're confusing me with someone else me ole clucker mucker....Read who writes what before stickin' your beak in....

Oh, I haven't imbibed this Bank Holiday.....I have my responsibilities.....

A beak is for sticking in... 

[Mello Yello 2,289]

6 minutes ago, chicken said:

A beak is for sticking in... 

A stick is for beating...

[Greavsy 2,412]

4 hours ago, Mello Yello said:

A stick is for beating...

Isn't that the drum? 

[Mello Yello 2,289]

14 hours ago, Greavsy said:

Isn't that the drum? 

Drum's just until half-time if we're getting whupped....

[chicken 2,624]

7 hours ago, Mello Yello said:

Drum's just until half-time if we're getting whupped....

We can't be "whupped" next season - they didn't end up getting relegated.