Fresh Mindset Required

[Big Vince 318]

So there we have it. Forest spent £200 million and are staying up. Villa spent money to stay up. Fulham have spent money. And that's well short of Man C and Chelsea. Why are Norwich still trying to brainwash their supporters into believing that embracing money is not the way forward? Webber making out that writing cheques is a bad thing to be doing. I bet Webber was dying for Forest to be relegated so that his and Delia's story rang true. Just like they were dying for Villa to get relegated in their first season back. 

Why do Delia and Webber talk the club down? It was a common thread throughout his interview that Norwich is small and that everyone should accept it, yet he then goes on to contradict himself by saying the biggest clubs in the world are coming to look at the Norwich academy. If the club is doing big things at Colney, why is that not translating into a bigger mentality about what it can do against the big boys on the pitch? Why is there this defeatism as soon as EPL promotion is achieved? I don't get why Webber is trying to build the club on the one hand and then talks it down on the other hand by saying it is just a stepping stone for South American players. Also saying Aarons has outgrown the club. Nonsense. The boy is not even very good. Can't defend and final ball at the other end is useless. Webber then mockingly says the club has only won 7 trophies in the top two divisions in its history. You can tell he supports someone else.

These Socialists and their henchmen and women all need to go so that new life can be breathed into the club, starting with a can-do mentality. Mr Chase got the club punching above its weight because he believed it could be done. Likewise Sir Arthur and Watling before him. The Socialists have never done that at any time in the past 27 years. Mr Chase will always be a much more significant figure in the history of this club.

Edited May 20, 2023 by Big Vince

[Branston Pickle 3,638]

Lol

[essex canary 492]

@Big Vince

it is more relevant to ask why we can't use more modest sums of money well like Brentford or many of the teams that finished above us this season. Otherwise a sensible post.

[Well b back 3,190]

If everyone spent £200 million each season then 3 teams that spent £200 million would be relegated. 
FPP should be implemented properly and every team forced to live within its means. 

[BroadstairsR 2,138]

Little old Norwich.

We know our place.

Get used to it BV.

Yes, predictably, the likes of Brentford are mentioned, but I don't suppose they entered the Premier League season with the mentality that they would be relegated before a ball had even been kicked.

(Keep politics out of it though. Nothing to do with socialism.)

Regarding investment, only the powers that be can eliminate the influence that big, often unsavoury money has on the English game. They will have no interest in doing anything of any real significance as long as they have such a strong product, with worldwide appeal, on their hands.  

Delia might not like it, but that's the way it is. We might find it unpalatable, but that's the way it is, and it seems destined not to change in the foreseeable. It defies gravity in that the bubble flies forever higher rather promising to burst (I'm no scientist.)

The finances within the game make no sense at all even when viewed from the perspective of junior school arithmetic.

Any club attempting a Canute like stand against it, in one form or the other, is destined to fail and crumbs like a more even distribution of money to the lower leagues are just sticking plaster which  perpetuate the norm.

If you don't like the rules then get out of the race. Join the also-rans in the lower leagues. Nobody will care or even bother to notice, except the support, and they will soon either get accustomed to accepting the ordinary, or go elsewhere.

Edited May 21, 2023 by BroadstairsR

[PurpleCanary 5,554]

Oh the unintentional irony of Big Vince yet again referencing back decades to an era that bears no relation to present-day football as he rails against being stuck in the past and demands a new mindset...🤩

[Top corner 225]

Socialists & their Henchmen....dear oh dear 

[komakino 272]

1 hour ago, BroadstairsR said:

Little old Norwich.

We know our place.

Get used to it BV.

Yes, predictably, the likes of Brentford are mentioned, but I don't suppose they entered the Premier League season with the mentality that they would be relegated before a ball had even been kicked.

(Keep politics out of it though. Nothing to do with socialism.)

Regarding investment, only the powers that be can eliminate the influence that big, often unsavoury money has on the English game. They will have no interest in doing anything of any real significance as long as they have such a strong product, with worldwide appeal, on their hands.  

Delia might not like it, but that's the way it is. We might find it unpalatable, but that's the way it is, and it seems destined not to change in the foreseeable. It defies gravity in that the bubble flies forever higher rather promising to burst (I'm no scientist.)

The finances within the game make no sense at all even when viewed from the perspective of junior school arithmetic.

Any club attempting a Canute like stand against it, in one form or the other, is destined to fail and crumbs like a more even distribution of money to the lower leagues are just sticking plaster which  perpetuate the norm.

If you don't like the rules then get out of the race. Join the also-rans in the lower leagues. Nobody will care or even bother to notice, except the support, and they will soon either get accustomed to accepting the ordinary, or go elsewhere.

Good post. 

Delia's stance is swimming against the tide, for not months, years but decades. And the club has and is suffering as a result. Though many others would disagree, she has put herself before the club. But she is an opportunist and has played a blinder.

My very few sympathies with Webber is that he has so little money to play with. The pressure is on him to somehow find enough raw talent to nurture and sell on to keep the utterly ridiculous and delusional self-funding model alive is huge. But he makes the point that the Season Tickets keep selling out, so in statistical terms, the natives are happy. For now. 

Norwich City can be stubborn, perverse, contradictory. A 'family club' that insults (some) of its fans, a club that claims it wants EPL football, but have majority shareholders that have previously gone on the record on several occasions to criticise it. You never bite the had that feeds you. When we have got there, we show little desire to stay there and back to the comfort zone of the Championship. 

The club will never play the game, let alone the modern game, so make the most of what we do because it is unlikely to get much better. 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Top corner said:

Socialists & their Henchmen....dear oh dear 

Henchpersons?.....

[kingsway 94]

Agree with some points of the original post, certainly a change of personnel and mindset is required!

 

Norwich City have for eternity been tagged with the "little ole Norwich" label which fans have been brainwashed into believing. I still maintain the club will never reach its full potential until Carrow Road holds 35-40,000 which would enable the club to get regular 30,000+ crowds somthing they'd do if in the top flight. This is why David Mcnally was good for the club cause he ignored this mindset.

 

As it stands at present Delia Smith and Wynn Jones are too old for their ownership of the club, they haven't got the energy or funds to move the club on. They have been good servants but a major blackmark against them has been their closed door, not a chance in hell policy of batting away anyone interested in invested then making out no one will invest in Norwich City. Suffice to say they should should pass the batton over to more capable owners and be made  Life presidents and keep their seats in the front of the Directors box.

 

Stuart Webber has done good things for the club but has failed badly in  the last two seasons with poor signings and managerial appointments so now has gone stale and needs a fresh challenge elsewhere. He came to the club as an ambitious career enhancer who openly admitted he saw his time at Norwich as a stepping stone to bigger and better clubs. Now after two poor seasons the stepping stone no longer exists so he is happy pick up his wage, readjust his ambitions while treading water in an organisation where his wife is a Board member and seemingly hes not challenged by any hierarchy and the supporters distain towards him is ignored.

 

Likewise the club has for a long time had a thing about signing half hearted powderpuff players who aren't physical enough. Without pace, ability to tackle and a desire to "force the issue" suceeding will be hard at Premier and Championship level.

 

And finally it has to be made clear that chucking money at something isn't always the answer as we've seen with Brentford, Brighton, Luton and Coventry this season and Norwich City have historically done better when they have signed cheap players who have produced - The likes of Pukki, Grant Holt, Russell Marton and Hoolahan spring to mind in modern times.

 

Things have to alter cause at present the club are sleepwalking into a turgid relegation battle next season.

 

 

[lake district canary 4,531]

14 minutes ago, kingsway said:

Agree with some points of the original post, certainly a change of personnel and mindset is required!

 

Norwich City have for eternity been tagged with the "little ole Norwich" label which fans have been brainwashed into believing. I still maintain the club will never reach its full potential until Carrow Road holds 35-40,000 which would enable the club to get regular 30,000+ crowds somthing they'd do if in the top flight. This is why David Mcnally was good for the club cause he ignored this mindset.

 

As it stands at present Delia Smith and Wynn Jones are too old for their ownership of the club, they haven't got the energy or funds to move the club on. They have been good servants but a major blackmark against them has been their closed door, not a chance in hell policy of batting away anyone interested in invested then making out no one will invest in Norwich City. Suffice to say they should should pass the batton over to more capable owners and be made  Life presidents and keep their seats in the front of the Directors box.

 

Stuart Webber has done good things for the club but has failed badly in  the last two seasons with poor signings and managerial appointments so now has gone stale and needs a fresh challenge elsewhere. He came to the club as an ambitious career enhancer who openly admitted he saw his time at Norwich as a stepping stone to bigger and better clubs. Now after two poor seasons the stepping stone no longer exists so he is happy pick up his wage, readjust his ambitions while treading water in an organisation where his wife is a Board member and seemingly hes not challenged by any hierarchy and the supporters distain towards him is ignored.

 

Likewise the club has for a long time had a thing about signing half hearted powderpuff players who aren't physical enough. Without pace, ability to tackle and a desire to "force the issue" suceeding will be hard at Premier and Championship level.

 

And finally it has to be made clear that chucking money at something isn't always the answer as we've seen with Brentford, Brighton, Luton and Coventry this season and Norwich City have historically done better when they have signed cheap players who have produced - The likes of Pukki, Grant Holt, Russell Marton and Hoolahan spring to mind in modern times.

Grant Holt wasn't that cheap. £400k doesn't look much now, but then - and with our finances so bad at the time - it was a  big investment.....and what a good one it was!

[kingsway 94]

2 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

Grant Holt wasn't that cheap. £400k doesn't look much now, but then - and with our finances so bad at the time - it was a  big investment.....and what a good one it was!

I suppose at the time when in league 1 and with finances severely strained it wasn't cheap but when compared to quite a few less than value for money signings we've made that cost £3M + then it certainly was cheap!

 

Interesting footprint on the Grant Holt signing - A friend rightly suggested that had we not been relegated the club wouldn't have even considered signing Holt who at the time was something of a lower league journeyman who didn't set the world alight when at "big" clubs in Forest and Wednesday! - Then again look at the success of Luton this season, a team of journeymen who I can only name Carlton Morris. - Shows what having the right mentality and team spirit can do!

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3 hours ago, kingsway said:

I suppose at the time when in league 1 and with finances severely strained it wasn't cheap but when compared to quite a few less than value for money signings we've made that cost £3M + then it certainly was cheap!

 

Interesting footprint on the Grant Holt signing - A friend rightly suggested that had we not been relegated the club wouldn't have even considered signing Holt who at the time was something of a lower league journeyman who didn't set the world alight when at "big" clubs in Forest and Wednesday! - Then again look at the success of Luton this season, a team of journeymen who I can only name Carlton Morris. - Shows what having the right mentality and team spirit can do!

Luke freeman, sonny bradley, pelly ruddock to name a few more…

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10 hours ago, lake district canary said:

Grant Holt wasn't that cheap. £400k doesn't look much now, but then - and with our finances so bad at the time - it was a  big investment.....and what a good one it was!

I think Holt actually cost us £750k, but like you've said although that looks an absolute bargain as now a striker of his quality would probably cost about £20m, considering we were a 3rd tier club on the brink of administration back then it was almost all our funds

[Big Vince 318]

17 hours ago, HazzaJet said:

I think Holt actually cost us £750k, but like you've said although that looks an absolute bargain as now a striker of his quality would probably cost about £20m, considering we were a 3rd tier club on the brink of administration back then it was almost all our funds

Holt cost £500,000 and the transfer was enabled by a loan from Micky Foulger.