Contract Expires!

[Tom NCFC 0]

Who in the summer has got an expiring contract with Norwich? I know Ward, Jarvis and Gallacher have but is there anymore? I really think we should resign Ryan, he''s a good player, it''ll be like letting another Danny Crow leave!

[Saint Canary 0]

[quote user="Tom NCFC"]Who in the summer has got an expiring contract with Norwich? I know Ward, Jarvis and Gallacher have but is there anymore? I really think we should resign Ryan, he''s a good player, it''ll be like letting another Danny Crow leave![/quote]

Yes, had Danny Crow still been here we would have won the league!

[AJ 1,359]

And if we didnt let David Beckham go then we would be world class.....

[Tom NCFC 0]

Danny Crow was a good prospect and he would have been a good addition to our team!

[Saint Canary 0]

[quote user="Tom NCFC"]Danny Crow was a good prospect and he would have been a good addition to our team![/quote]

How would he have been a good addition to our team?  He wouldn''t get in our team because he isn''t good enough.  He has scored 10 goals at a level of two divisions lower!

Would you play him over Earnie or Leon or Johansson or Hux or McVeigh or Jarvis even?

[Christov 3]

I dear say there will be others as well as those who chose to leave/ loan players returning.  This is the problem this club has had for the last few years, it has a revolving door so there are nearly always wholesale changes in the summer where 5-6 players leave so we then have to replace them, therefore never actually adding to the squad.  I live in a dreamword but I would like to see the players that leave this summer replaced with players for the positions we are short on numbers, however if the 2 reserve keepers leave and Greeno as well I can see Worthy bringing in another 3 keepers rather than just the one that we would need.

[Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0]

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[quote user="Tom NCFC"]Danny Crow was a good prospect and he would have been a good addition to our team![/quote]

How would he have been a good addition to our team?  He wouldn''t get in our team because he isn''t good enough.  He has scored 10 goals at a level of two divisions lower!

Would you play him over Earnie or Leon or Johansson or Hux or McVeigh or Jarvis even?

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earlier in the season when Ashton was crying out for a partner or option off the bench I''m sure he could have done a decent job...  I never got a chance to see much of Danny Crow however.  What I have seen of Jarvis I have been impressed with, I doubt he is big and strong enougth in Nigel''s eyes for a tall forward player.....

[Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0]

Ryan and Danny''s Norwich careers

Ryan Jarvis''s NCFC record

2005/2006 1 start 2 subs 1 goal (total 150 minutes on the park) 1 home 2 away

2004/2005 1 start 4 subs 1 goal (total 147 minutes on the park) 1 home 4 away

2003/2004  1 start 13 subs 1 goal (total 188 minutes on the park) 7 home 7 away

2002/2003  2 starts 1 subs 0 goal (total 165 minutes on the park) 1 home 2 away

He has played 650 minutes football for the norwich first team scoring 3 goals along the way.

Danny Crow''s NCFC record

2004/2005 0 starts 4 subs 0 goal (total 45 minutes on the park) 1 home 3 away

 

[Huddy 0]

Simon Charlton is also out of contract. We need to get rid of him, one of the goalies but keep jarvis - give him a chance and keep the other keeper.

[canarychris 0]

so on average Ryan Jarvis plays 2 games a season and scores 1 goal, a strike rate most managers would be pleased with.

Sorry Foghorn but i fail to see your point. I don''t believe 2 games a season represents a run in the team and even if the record was scored 0 would that really relate to ''giving youth a chance''?

[canarychris 0]

sorry, sorry, sorry Foghorn, misread you''re post, please take back my last comments. i can see now that you also wish to see youth given a chance!!!!

[Rudolph Hucker 0]

I know he''s had injury problems but it also seems that Ryan Jarvis stopped developing two years ago and perhaps this is also why he has failed to make the grade.

[still holding out for new heroes 0]

...could it possibly be he''s stopped developing because he doesnt get any games...surely young players develop quicker by learning from playing games rather than running up and down and a bit of time in the gym...typical ktf spin

[Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0]

[quote user="Rudolph Hucker"]I know he''s had injury problems but it also seems that Ryan Jarvis stopped developing two years ago and perhaps this is also why he has failed to make the grade.[/quote]

I dunno - he has hardly played and has 2 goals from what, 2 starts and 4 subs in the last 2 seasons??  one of those being the blinder against Liverpool?? He may never be premiership quality but may yet become a decent player at this level.  Look at akinbiyi??  given a chance he has had a decent caareer at this level.

[Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0]

[quote user="Rudolph Hucker"]I know he''s had injury problems but it also seems that Ryan Jarvis stopped developing two years ago and perhaps this is also why he has failed to make the grade.[/quote]

I dunno - he has hardly played and has 2 goals from what, 2 starts and 4 subs in the last 2 seasons??  one of those being the blinder against Liverpool?? He may never be premiership quality but may yet become a decent player at this level.  Look at akinbiyi??  given a chance he has had a decent caareer at this level.

[Saint Canary 0]

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[quote user="Tom NCFC"]Danny Crow was a good prospect and he would have been a good addition to our team![/quote]

How would he have been a good addition to our team?  He wouldn''t get in our team because he isn''t good enough.  He has scored 10 goals at a level of two divisions lower!

Would you play him over Earnie or Leon or Johansson or Hux or McVeigh or Jarvis even?

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earlier in the season when Ashton was crying out for a partner or option off the bench I''m sure he could have done a decent job...  I never got a chance to see much of Danny Crow however.  What I have seen of Jarvis I have been impressed with, I doubt he is big and strong enougth in Nigel''s eyes for a tall forward player.....

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Thanks for putting up Jarvis'' and Crows City career, it was fascinating reading [:s]

No offence Paul but how are you "sure" he would have done a decent job if by your own admission you didn''t see much of Crowe?  Surely the fact that he is now playing in league two gives you some indication of his ability at present?  Northampton had him on loan last season and didn''t even attempt to sign him on a free transfer.

I will accept that Worthy is hardly focusing on bringing through the youth, however I don''t think there are many, if any players that are good enough right now to warrant the step up.  Jarvis did very little on loan last year yet people seem to think he should be in the team or on the bench, why? 

There is a mentality at the moment that the solution is any player that Worthy is currently not putting in the team.

[Rudolph Hucker 0]

Coney I am a WTF''er not a KTF''er and you may be right about Jarvis, certainly he and others should have at least gone out on loan.

[Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0]

I suppose my point was only that we were Deano was crying out for a decent strike partner when mckenzie got injured.  McVeigh was played then dropped (presumably because the manager doesnt like him) Thorne was put up front which was dire.  it was callng out for another striker, jarvis was injured and god only knows were henderson was (probably being played on the right wing as marney was injured early doors).

Also even when Leon was fit early season, he was not right and playing very poorly, but we had no benchman to bring on to replace him up front, with Thorne being too similar in style to Deano. I have no idea how good crow is but he has done well Peterborough so is at least league 2 standard.  It was the ideal time to give the young striker a chance but the manager instaed of sending him on loan had freeed him and the 300 quid a week option was gone... As was Lisbie was picked up for maybe a year of Crow''s wages for a month of football.

It wouldnt surprise me if crow was not good enough, but Jarvis has shown a lot of class in his few moments on the pitch.  I really do think he just isnt big and strong enough for a tall lad in worthy''s eyes.

I will fish out Ian Henderson''s record - not that it means much as he has been played out of position almost his whole career!!  In fact I struggle to remember him playing up front in a game at Carrow Road...

[DONT REMEMBER YOUR TENURE AS ENGLAND MANAGER 0]

The goal in against Liverpool highlights Ryan Jarvis as a player with vast potential, he seems to lack confidence, but I for one will be gutted if he does not make the grade at this club. He is a quality player who offers so much more than some of the players that have came in. An injury free season and we will see some super football from this player.

[SuperCoolImiii 0]

could it possibly be he''s stopped developing because he doesnt get any games...surely young players develop quicker by learning from playing games rather than running up and down and a bit of time in the gym...

 

or that he is demoralised at seeing numerous neww striking signings and loan players come in when he should be getting his opportunities?

[Saint Canary 0]

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I suppose my point was only that we were Deano was crying out for a decent strike partner when mckenzie got injured.  McVeigh was played then dropped (presumably because the manager doesnt like him) Thorne was put up front which was dire.  it was callng out for another striker, jarvis was injured and god only knows were henderson was (probably being played on the right wing as marney was injured early doors).

Also even when Leon was fit early season, he was not right and playing very poorly, but we had no benchman to bring on to replace him up front, with Thorne being too similar in style to Deano. I have no idea how good crow is but he has done well Peterborough so is at least league 2 standard.  It was the ideal time to give the young striker a chance but the manager instaed of sending him on loan had freeed him and the 300 quid a week option was gone... As was Lisbie was picked up for maybe a year of Crow''s wages for a month of football.

It wouldnt surprise me if crow was not good enough, but Jarvis has shown a lot of class in his few moments on the pitch.  I really do think he just isnt big and strong enough for a tall lad in worthy''s eyes.

I will fish out Ian Henderson''s record - not that it means much as he has been played out of position almost his whole career!!  In fact I struggle to remember him playing up front in a game at Carrow Road...

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I take your point Paul but I just really think he wouldn''t have been good enough.  In all honesty he would have behind Henderson & Jarvis (when fit) in the pecking order and he wanted to play regularly, something he would not have got here.  I think the move to Peterborough was a good one for him and he is taking his chance in that division, he may well prove me wrong but I don''t think we wil ever see Danny Crow scoring 20+ goals in Championship or PL.

I''m glad you made the point about Ashton needing a partner, in this you are right and wrong.  You are right in the sense that when playing a standard two up front system he needed a partner but realistically if we didn''t have the player to be his partner then the tactics/formation should have changed.  Again this is my big problem with Worthy, instead of finding tactics/formations to suit the players available he tries to fit the players in to suit the way he wants to play.  This is where we get the likes of Charlton in midfield, strikers wide right and so on. 

[Kolin Kob 0]

Can we please stop using the phrases ''k*f'' and ''w*''? Its getting dull.

[chicken 0]

[quote user="Saint Canary"][quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"]

I suppose my point was only that we were Deano was crying out for a decent strike partner when mckenzie got injured.  McVeigh was played then dropped (presumably because the manager doesnt like him) Thorne was put up front which was dire.  it was callng out for another striker, jarvis was injured and god only knows were henderson was (probably being played on the right wing as marney was injured early doors).

Also even when Leon was fit early season, he was not right and playing very poorly, but we had no benchman to bring on to replace him up front, with Thorne being too similar in style to Deano. I have no idea how good crow is but he has done well Peterborough so is at least league 2 standard.  It was the ideal time to give the young striker a chance but the manager instaed of sending him on loan had freeed him and the 300 quid a week option was gone... As was Lisbie was picked up for maybe a year of Crow''s wages for a month of football.

It wouldnt surprise me if crow was not good enough, but Jarvis has shown a lot of class in his few moments on the pitch.  I really do think he just isnt big and strong enough for a tall lad in worthy''s eyes.

I will fish out Ian Henderson''s record - not that it means much as he has been played out of position almost his whole career!!  In fact I struggle to remember him playing up front in a game at Carrow Road...

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I take your point Paul but I just really think he wouldn''t have been good enough.  In all honesty he would have behind Henderson & Jarvis (when fit) in the pecking order and he wanted to play regularly, something he would not have got here.  I think the move to Peterborough was a good one for him and he is taking his chance in that division, he may well prove me wrong but I don''t think we wil ever see Danny Crow scoring 20+ goals in Championship or PL.

I''m glad you made the point about Ashton needing a partner, in this you are right and wrong.  You are right in the sense that when playing a standard two up front system he needed a partner but realistically if we didn''t have the player to be his partner then the tactics/formation should have changed.  Again this is my big problem with Worthy, instead of finding tactics/formations to suit the players available he tries to fit the players in to suit the way he wants to play.  This is where we get the likes of Charlton in midfield, strikers wide right and so on. 

[/quote]So the 4-3-3 was a big failure then? I thought it worked well!

[Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0]

[quote user="chicken"]

So the 4-3-3 was a big failure then? I thought it worked well!
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It has worked at times this season but to know greater effect than the 4-4-2 with no real right winger.  A poor quality central midfield  and no decent right side (winger or full back) has been our real problem this season. 

[Saint Canary 0]

[quote user="chicken"][quote user="Saint Canary"][quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"]

I suppose my point was only that we were Deano was crying out for a decent strike partner when mckenzie got injured.  McVeigh was played then dropped (presumably because the manager doesnt like him) Thorne was put up front which was dire.  it was callng out for another striker, jarvis was injured and god only knows were henderson was (probably being played on the right wing as marney was injured early doors).

Also even when Leon was fit early season, he was not right and playing very poorly, but we had no benchman to bring on to replace him up front, with Thorne being too similar in style to Deano. I have no idea how good crow is but he has done well Peterborough so is at least league 2 standard.  It was the ideal time to give the young striker a chance but the manager instaed of sending him on loan had freeed him and the 300 quid a week option was gone... As was Lisbie was picked up for maybe a year of Crow''s wages for a month of football.

It wouldnt surprise me if crow was not good enough, but Jarvis has shown a lot of class in his few moments on the pitch.  I really do think he just isnt big and strong enough for a tall lad in worthy''s eyes.

I will fish out Ian Henderson''s record - not that it means much as he has been played out of position almost his whole career!!  In fact I struggle to remember him playing up front in a game at Carrow Road...

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I take your point Paul but I just really think he wouldn''t have been good enough.  In all honesty he would have behind Henderson & Jarvis (when fit) in the pecking order and he wanted to play regularly, something he would not have got here.  I think the move to Peterborough was a good one for him and he is taking his chance in that division, he may well prove me wrong but I don''t think we wil ever see Danny Crow scoring 20+ goals in Championship or PL.

I''m glad you made the point about Ashton needing a partner, in this you are right and wrong.  You are right in the sense that when playing a standard two up front system he needed a partner but realistically if we didn''t have the player to be his partner then the tactics/formation should have changed.  Again this is my big problem with Worthy, instead of finding tactics/formations to suit the players available he tries to fit the players in to suit the way he wants to play.  This is where we get the likes of Charlton in midfield, strikers wide right and so on. 

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So the 4-3-3 was a big failure then? I thought it worked well!
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I thought it worked well Chicken but in how many games did we actually use that formation?  Not enough for me.  We all to quickly reverted back to a formation where players were used in wide midfield roles when they would have been better deployed elsewhere on the pitch.