Would we financially be better of in League One?

[CrankyCanary 32]

As a theoretical question; I'm more curious than anything. Would we be better off purely from a Financial aspect being a mid table mediocre team in the Champo for say five seasons or League One for the same amount of time?

[essex canary 631]

If we can get the players to play for minimum wage we could make a profit which could be put aside for ground development.

[Canario 268]

Supposedly our fans dont care which division we are in and well sell 20000+ season tickets regardless.

So in theory we could cut our cloth accorsingly, sign a load of national league / league 2 players and make a few quid per season. Not sure what the point would be mind ......

[Midlands Yellow 4,721]

7 hours ago, CrankyCanary said:

As a theoretical question; I'm more curious than anything. Would we be better off purely from a Financial aspect being a mid table mediocre team in the Champo for say five seasons or League One for the same amount of time?

What about the National League North? We could then play Kings Lynn if they don’t get promoted this season. 

Edited April 24, 2023 by Midlands Yellow

[Dean Coneys boots 1,550]

Sad how some fans just keep asking if we would be happier one league lower…the point of sport is to be competitive. 

What we need is not league one football but fair and appropriate investment  for a club of our size as opposed to what we have instead; a harmful self sustaining model which was put in place only because our much loved (and therefore protected) current owners could no longer afford to compete but  didn’t want to hand on the club to those who could. 

We need new owners NOW - the current lot outstayed their welcome by at least 5 years and haven’t actually invested in this club for years. This fact alone is what clips our wings whenever we succeed, via sales of our brightest and best, and leaves us staring down a barrel when we fail. 

[canarydan23 4,831]

9 minutes ago, Dean Coneys boots said:

the point of sport is to be competitive

Yes, but professional football in England isn't a sport anymore. It's a corporate entertainment business. The moment the pockets of your owners become the most influential factor in success is the moment you cannot still legitimately call it sport.

[Dean Coneys boots 1,550]

Just now, canarydan23 said:

Yes, but professional football in England isn't a sport anymore. It's a corporate entertainment business. The moment the pockets of your owners become the most influential factor in success is the moment you cannot still legitimately call it sport.

I agree money is spoiling the game. I agree the system stinks. But it is the one we are in and you have to keep up with it to succeed. However noble it might be to try and buck the trend- it won’t give you 3pts on match day. And the reality is that the our ownership model is outdated- we have a 90s national model of ownership but the era is now global. We have failed to keep up with others hence they will over take us. Where would palace, Brentford, Brighton etc be if they still had their owners and level of funding from two decades ago? 

[canarydan23 4,831]

1 minute ago, Dean Coneys boots said:

I agree money is spoiling the game. I agree the system stinks. But it is the one we are in and you have to keep up with it to succeed. However noble it might be to try and buck the trend- it won’t give you 3pts on match day. And the reality is that the our ownership model is outdated- we have a 90s national model of ownership but the era is now global. We have failed to keep up with others hence they will over take us. Where would palace, Brentford, Brighton etc be if they still had their owners and level of funding from two decades ago? 

I don't disagree with you, just pointing out how utterly ridiculous it is that as a "sport", there is very little a club can do with regards to training, tactics and shrewd transfer business in order to become more competitive, if you don't have a sugar daddy/mummy bankrolling you.

That isn't sport. They should start taking Football reports out of the tabloids and stick them in Forbes.

[Dean Coneys boots 1,550]

I agree with you too! But “why modern football is messed up” is a separate topic to “why are Norwich going backwards?” And it won’t help us to conflate them even if there is overlap. 

I took some heat 6 years ago for saying that Delia’s love for the club was hurting us because she wouldn’t let go. It’s all come home to roost. We are now desperate for takeover and I just hope the Attanasio bid is serious and on the near horizon or we are screwed. 

[cambridgeshire canary 7,940]

Binner

[Capt. Pants 5,160]

Some of our fans couldn't wait to get back to the Championship only to be served some of the worst football seen from a Norwich team in many a year. The league itself is toilet.

I dread to think what League One is like.

If it comes down to NCFC gravitating to that level we will be out of business, never mind profit.

[By Hook or Ian crook 943]

A vast majority of young talent that used to be spread over the football league based on this location is now swallowed up by the big clubs, young players from as far away as Brazil are being flown over by clubs like Man City, Man Utd and Chelsea. Hence why players like Alex Matos here who was on the verge of breaking into the first team are snapped up by Chelsea to avoid any competition through youth development. 
 

so not only is the game controlled by 6 clubs in the Prem financially they are essentially mothballing all other clubs by taking away their best youth prospects before they develop. 

[essex canary 631]

14 minutes ago, By Hook or Ian crook said:

A vast majority of young talent that used to be spread over the football league based on this location is now swallowed up by the big clubs, young players from as far away as Brazil are being flown over by clubs like Man City, Man Utd and Chelsea. Hence why players like Alex Matos here who was on the verge of breaking into the first team are snapped up by Chelsea to avoid any competition through youth development. 
 

so not only is the game controlled by 6 clubs in the Prem financially they are essentially mothballing all other clubs by taking away their best youth prospects before they develop. 

None of those Brazilians at Norwich then? At least most teams with them tend to win matches.

[aBee 176]

1 hour ago, canarydan23 said:

I don't disagree with you, just pointing out how utterly ridiculous it is that as a "sport", there is very little a club can do with regards to training, tactics and shrewd transfer business in order to become more competitive, if you don't have a sugar daddy/mummy bankrolling you.

That isn't sport. They should start taking Football reports out of the tabloids and stick them in Forbes.

That’s not really true. You need to work smarter on a smaller budget but that’s not impossible. The most successful big clubs combine having deep pockets with making good choices and having the right structures and facilities. There are also a lot who have spent heavily to achieve very little. Norwich’s 21-22 wage bill was nearly £30m higher than Brentford’s 22-23 one. You have the money to be competitive, you have the right processes, club strategy (buy undervalued young players, develop and sell for profit) and facilities but have executed them poorly. 

[essex canary 631]

40 minutes ago, aBee said:

That’s not really true. You need to work smarter on a smaller budget but that’s not impossible. The most successful big clubs combine having deep pockets with making good choices and having the right structures and facilities. There are also a lot who have spent heavily to achieve very little. Norwich’s 21-22 wage bill was nearly £30m higher than Brentford’s 22-23 one. You have the money to be competitive, you have the right processes, club strategy (buy undervalued young players, develop and sell for profit) and facilities but have executed them poorly. 

Bang on. Over 8 years between 2013 to 2021, our Turnover was £260 million less than Burnley and our wage bill only £17 million less. Admittedly we did £80 million better on Player Trading. We just spend too much on Wages year on year and don't get sufficient value whilst churning too many players.

Unfortunately though many of our fans are just too blinkered or too devout to the regime.

 

Edited April 24, 2023 by essex canary

[By Hook or Ian crook 943]

2 hours ago, essex canary said:

None of those Brazilians at Norwich then? At least most teams with them tend to win matches.

We bought one who was 22 I believe when we signed Sara. Look at the like of Andreas Pereaira now at Fulham who joined Manchester United academy at the age of 14 I think it was. Not apples for apples. 

[CrankyCanary 32]

On 24/04/2023 at 08:20, cambridgeshire canary said:

Binner

Assuming you aren't joking; I posed the question from a neutral perspective to see what the opinions and general consensus are; hardly makes me Sh*tswich fan now does it?

 

Edited April 25, 2023 by CrankyCanary