There is a deep malaise at the club and it starts at the top

[Jim Smith 2,455]

Webber has done an abysmal job over the last couple of years. He did an awful one in the first prem season under Farke too. He has to take a large share of the blame for the state we find our first team squad in. It doesn’t help he appears only answerable to his wife on whom the jury also remains out in terms of ability to steer a happy ship.

But I feel it also goes deeper than that. The fanbase is devoid of hope having seen through the “self funding” model and realised just how many opportunities we have wasted to truly grow the club and leave our local rivals trailing. As it is there is a good chance they will be back in the same division next season and they will be the ones with the momentum. Meanwhile our owners even manage to make a takeover a sort of death by 1000 cuts by dragging it out as we screw up a chance to go back up. Really feel we need meaningful change at the very highest level to reignite the fanbase. 

 

[TIL 1010 5,064]

Can't argue with any of that.

[Beetley Yellow 57]

Too many influential people at the Club are too comfortable. Mediocrity is becoming accepted in many areas. A ‘90%’ commitment attitude tends to result in such.

[hogesar 10,304]

Nah, this OTT stuff was said before Farkes second season and even some games into it.

Pre-season, 5 or 6 signings changing the look of the first team and we will all be excited again.

I'll add, Jim claiming our owners are responsible for the timeframe of the Americans getting on board is, presumably, him making things up.

Edited April 1, 2023 by hogesar

[By Hook or Ian crook 937]

5 minutes ago, Jim Smith said:

Webber has done an abysmal job over the last couple of years. He did an awful one in the first prem season under Farke too. He has to take a large share of the blame for the state we find our first team squad in. It doesn’t help he appears only answerable to his wife on whom the jury also remains out in terms of ability to steer a happy ship.

But I feel it also goes deeper than that. The fanbase is devoid of hope having seen through the “self funding” model and realised just how many opportunities we have wasted to truly grow the club and leave our local rivals trailing. As it is there is a good chance they will be back in the same division next season and they will be the ones with the momentum. Meanwhile our owners even manage to make a takeover a sort of death by 1000 cuts by dragging it out as we screw up a chance to go back up. Really feel we need meaningful change at the very highest level to reignite the fanbase. 

 

Lots of this is spot on. Should we not get a full take over in the summer we are in massive financial trouble. We will probably end up in mid table mediocrity for the next decade like we had done prior to Worthy or Lambert. 

[Capt. Pants 4,732]

6 minutes ago, By Hook or Ian crook said:

Lots of this is spot on. Should we not get a full take over in the summer we are in massive financial trouble. We will probably end up in mid table mediocrity for the next decade like we had done prior to Worthy or Lambert. 

I think it's pretty crucial we know where we're at come the next transfer window. I haven't a clue tbh. Club is in limbo.

[By Hook or Ian crook 937]

Just now, Capt. Pants said:

I think it's pretty crucial we know where we're at come the next transfer window. I haven't a clue tbh. Club is in limbo.

Someone on the match thread just posted about the clubs accounts from the release of the 2022 papers. It’s not good reading. We will be heavily reliant on player sales to keep the club afloat in the summer if we are not taken over. 

[norfolkngood 1,169]

3 minutes ago, By Hook or Ian crook said:

Someone on the match thread just posted about the clubs accounts from the release of the 2022 papers. It’s not good reading. We will be heavily reliant on player sales to keep the club afloat in the summer if we are not taken over. 

Well if that is True and i know nothing about the clubs Finances Webber should be sacked tonight 

A self funding club should be exactly that until someone borrows or spends to much 

i also do not know much about the Americans  but they must be worried handing Webber the cheque book 

 

[nutty nigel 7,785]

Attanasio out.

[essex canary 580]

3 minutes ago, norfolkngood said:

Well if that is True and i know nothing about the clubs Finances Webber should be sacked tonight 

A self funding club should be exactly that until someone borrows or spends to much 

i also do not know much about the Americans  but they must be worried handing Webber the cheque book 

 

Given our wage bill last season was £118 million as against £68 million for Brentford and £18 million for Luton. you called it. Sack Webber and his missus tonight.

[TIL 1010 5,064]

2 minutes ago, essex canary said:

Sack Webber and his missus tonight.

Can't believe i am with you on this but yep get it done.

[Soldier on 245]

2 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

Can't believe i am with you on this but yep get it done.

Understand the criticism of Webber but what has his Mrs done wrong or is it guilty by association ??!!

[nutty nigel 7,785]

Who makes the call to sack Webber? 

[norfolkngood 1,169]

3 minutes ago, nutty nigel said:

Who makes the call to sack Webber? 

His wife ! that would be a fun drive home 

[TIL 1010 5,064]

4 minutes ago, Soldier on said:

Understand the criticism of Webber but what has his Mrs done wrong or is it guilty by association ??!!

They both run and control the club inside and out.Nothing more needs to be said surely taking into account where we are at right now ?

[nutty nigel 7,785]

Thing is...

Who owns most shares? 

[mannings bandy legs 432]

38 minutes ago, hogesar said:

Nah, this OTT stuff was said before Farkes second season and even some games into it.

Pre-season, 5 or 6 signings changing the look of the first team and we will all be excited again.

I'll add, Jim claiming our owners are responsible for the timeframe of the Americans getting on board is, presumably, him making things up.

So where are these six signings coming from,and who and what is paying for them. We are constantly being told there are no funds do this unless we sell. We have possibly one or two players which would fetch a fee.Neither if which would be fee that would enable us to enhance this team to a level that's required.We are f#c#ed.

[mrD66M 147]

Webber's best achievement is not the 2 Championship titles. It's that he raised the profile of the club esp. in terms of infrastructure to make it a more saleable asset.

Would we get Attanasio - or any other potential investor that is more or less in tune with the club ethos, not just purely in it for the money but with a wholesome view to football as a business - without SW?

Why are people judged "bad fans" for not wanting promotion right now, only because they realise the squad needs a rebuild?

[PockthorpePete 331]

54 minutes ago, Jim Smith said:

Webber has done an abysmal job over the last couple of years. He did an awful one in the first prem season under Farke too. He has to take a large share of the blame for the state we find our first team squad in. It doesn’t help he appears only answerable to his wife on whom the jury also remains out in terms of ability to steer a happy ship.

But I feel it also goes deeper than that. The fanbase is devoid of hope having seen through the “self funding” model and realised just how many opportunities we have wasted to truly grow the club and leave our local rivals trailing. As it is there is a good chance they will be back in the same division next season and they will be the ones with the momentum. Meanwhile our owners even manage to make a takeover a sort of death by 1000 cuts by dragging it out as we screw up a chance to go back up. Really feel we need meaningful change at the very highest level to reignite the fanbase. 

 

Your self funding guff rather overlooks that Luton and Millwall have succeeded better than we have on a far lower budget. So it is not about how the club raises its money. More it is about how that money is spent. We have made too many bad signings from abroad. This could be down to incompetent scouts in those areas. But ultimately the buck stops with Webber.

[Capt. Pants 4,732]

Attanasio out, Arabs in. Wait that will never happen...

[Mengo 831]

25 minutes ago, nutty nigel said:

Who makes the call to sack Webber? 

Is Wynnie the CEO 😜

[NFN FC 1,142]

37 minutes ago, essex canary said:

Given our wage bill last season was £118 million as against £68 million for Brentford and £18 million for Luton. you called it. Sack Webber and his missus tonight.

Where has this info come from? 

[NFN FC 1,142]

5 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said:

Attanasio out, Arabs in. Wait that will never happen...

Good. 

[Capt. Pants 4,732]

1 minute ago, NFN FC said:

Good. 

Who knows what the future holds. Once Attanasio takes control he could sell to anyone.

[NFN FC 1,142]

2 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said:

Who knows what the future holds. Once Attanasio takes control he could sell to anyone.

Same could be said of anyone really. If they do sell to some unscrupulous person/people fine, but at that point, I'll no longer be a fan

[Kingston Yellow 244]

38 minutes ago, Soldier on said:

Understand the criticism of Webber but what has his Mrs done wrong or is it guilty by association ??!!

Are you really this stupid?

[littleyellowbirdie 3,000]

33 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

They both run and control the club inside and out.Nothing more needs to be said surely taking into account where we are at right now ?

I think you're thinking of the CEO model; the whole point of our model is the responsibility is more distributed among a number of people.

[Jim Smith 2,455]

24 minutes ago, mrD66M said:

Webber's best achievement is not the 2 Championship titles. It's that he raised the profile of the club esp. in terms of infrastructure to make it a more saleable asset.

Would we get Attanasio - or any other potential investor that is more or less in tune with the club ethos, not just purely in it for the money but with a wholesome view to football as a business - without SW?

Why are people judged "bad fans" for not wanting promotion right now, only because they realise the squad needs a rebuild?

Yes we would. In fact we’ve probably turned away people wealthier than MA

[PockthorpePete 331]

 

43 minutes ago, essex canary said:

Given our wage bill last season was £118 million as against £68 million for Brentford and £18 million for Luton. you called it. Sack Webber and his missus tonight.

I think not

[mrD66M 147]

14 minutes ago, Jim Smith said:

Yes we would. In fact we’ve probably turned away people wealthier than MA

If money is the only thing that matters then I suspect NCFC is the wrong club.