Greavsy 2,412 Posted March 20, 2023 https://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/england-international-reveals-learnt-much-wes-hoolahan-285193?utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=onsite_share Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulfotto 631 Posted March 20, 2023 Wes Hoolahan- James Maddison - Emi Buendia. The chain has been broken and it’s the reason it has been ordinary at best for the last two seasons. 5 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Google Bot 3,270 Posted March 20, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Ulfotto said: The chain has been broken and it’s the reason it has been ordinary at best for the last two seasons. Don't forget Huckerby that came before Wes. Remember Roeder talking about 'new heros' when he departed, and we brought Wes in. And indeed the chain is looking a bit loose right now. Trying to think who was there before Hucks now, think it was a jump back to the 90s with Eadie perhaps? Edited March 20, 2023 by Google Bot Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CardiffCanary 128 Posted March 20, 2023 Maybe before hucks would’ve been the worthy years in the championship so mcveigh on the playoff run ?  Before that was the many years of dross in mid table insignificance of championship ( people seem to conveniently forget that when moaning !)  But back to the modern era who is the next maestro I’d love it to be Nunez …. remember madders was farmed out, Wes didn’t do it straight away and even emi took time.  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chicken 2,624 Posted March 20, 2023 16 minutes ago, Ulfotto said: Wes Hoolahan- James Maddison - Emi Buendia. The chain has been broken and it’s the reason it has been ordinary at best for the last two seasons. No chain, Hoolahan overlapped with Maddison, Maddison didn't overlap with Buendia. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulfotto 631 Posted March 20, 2023 I,d argue Huckerby is not quite the same player as the other 3 mentioned. Wes etc.. were players that everything went through in an attacking sense and connected the whole team in an attacking sense. Huckerby was more of a maverick who did it more by himself. In opinion the most Wes like player before Wes was Ian Crook. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow and Green 334 Posted March 21, 2023 3 hours ago, Ulfotto said: I,d argue Huckerby is not quite the same player as the other 3 mentioned. Wes etc.. were players that everything went through in an attacking sense and connected the whole team in an attacking sense. Huckerby was more of a maverick who did it more by himself. In opinion the most Wes like player before Wes was Ian Crook. He's not the same type of player in the technical, ball -playing sense, but he was the spark that made things happen. The rest of the team was solid, whilst he was the one who inspired us to win the league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt. Pants 4,225 Posted March 21, 2023 The chain most definitely has been broken since Emi left in terms of an inspirational midfield player who we need to get the ball to. Perhaps Sara will become that player. And of course they'll need to be underpinned by a quality DM like a Tettey or Skipp. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walcombe canary 69 Posted March 21, 2023 Can we go back to Ian Chippy Crook ? - What a player - Very underrated. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cambridgeshire canary 6,702 Posted March 21, 2023 2 hours ago, Capt. Pants said: The chain most definitely has been broken since Emi left in terms of an inspirational midfield player who we need to get the ball to. Perhaps Sara will become that player. And of course they'll need to be underpinned by a quality DM like a Tettey or Skipp. Provided we don't sell Sara for the first offer that comes in during the next window which given all the interest.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary Jedi 579 Posted March 21, 2023 It extends beyond them. Imagine that Grant Holt was still here and working 1:1 with Idah… We don’t make the most of the amazing experience of certain ex-players Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,334 Posted March 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Canary Jedi said: It extends beyond them. Imagine that Grant Holt was still here and working 1:1 with Idah… We don’t make the most of the amazing experience of certain ex-players Is GH a good coach? I have no idea. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,657 Posted March 21, 2023 I put Wes above all of them in the context of him being worth the price of a match ticket on his own, even when we weren't necessarily playing well he delivered something a bit special. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rock bus 851 Posted March 21, 2023 I still have a hope that Nunez might be the next inline to be the inspirational player. There were signs earlier in the season but went off the boil and seems to be struggling to convince Wagner let alone us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yellowrider120 762 Posted March 21, 2023 3 hours ago, hogesar said: I put Wes above all of them in the context of him being worth the price of a match ticket on his own, even when we weren't necessarily playing well he delivered something a bit special. Totally agree. Always amazed me that some on here were decidedly anti Hoolahan deriding him as a 'show pony', 'not a proper footballer'. I always remember one poster describing him as...........'something out of a circus and not suited to football'!!   The vast majority knew different of course. The boy Madders confirms.  3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canarybubbles 1,915 Posted March 21, 2023 31 minutes ago, yellowrider120 said: Totally agree. Always amazed me that some on here were decidedly anti Hoolahan deriding him as a 'show pony', 'not a proper footballer'. I always remember one poster describing him as...........'something out of a circus and not suited to football'!!   The vast majority knew different of course. The boy Madders confirms.  There has always been, and will probably always be, the classic English supporter who loves the bloodied bandage around the head and hates 'poncey silky Latin skills'. It's what has made English football so fantastically successful over the last fifty years. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert N. LiM 4,326 Posted March 21, 2023 1 hour ago, canarybubbles said: There has always been, and will probably always be, the classic English supporter who loves the bloodied bandage around the head and hates 'poncey silky Latin skills'. It's what has made English football so fantastically successful over the last fifty years. Love that quote, think it's from Don Howe: "Hoddle a luxury? It's the bad players who are a luxury." 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert N. LiM 4,326 Posted March 21, 2023 2 hours ago, yellowrider120 said: Totally agree. Always amazed me that some on here were decidedly anti Hoolahan deriding him as a 'show pony', 'not a proper footballer'. I always remember one poster describing him as...........'something out of a circus and not suited to football'!!   The vast majority knew different of course. The boy Madders confirms.  This is ludicrous, obviously, but it's hard to remember now he came to us as a winger, and it took a bit of time iirc before he was moved into the no10 position where he showed his true genius. I think Ian Crook still shades it, but in certain moods Wes is my favourite Norwich City player. He saw things others didn't, which for me has always been the most exciting thing about being at a live football match: that killer pass you never knew was on. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TeemuVanBasten 3,327 Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) 20 hours ago, Ulfotto said: Wes Hoolahan- James Maddison - Emi Buendia. The chain has been broken and it’s the reason it has been ordinary at best for the last two seasons. And I'd add Huckerby before that. Became it isn't necessarily a number 10 type that we are missing, it is a talisman. We've got no talisman. Edited March 21, 2023 by TeemuVanBasten Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TeemuVanBasten 3,327 Posted March 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Robert N. LiM said: This is ludicrous, obviously, but it's hard to remember now he came to us as a winger, and it took a bit of time iirc before he was moved into the no10 position where he showed his true genius. He also admits that he wasn't the most professional and was a beer drinker and ate the wrong food until Lambert arrived at the club and sorted him out and slimmed him down, then became a model pro. That was a major factor. Another thing we've got to thank Lambert for. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary Jedi 579 Posted March 21, 2023 8 hours ago, wcorkcanary said: Is GH a good coach? I have no idea. Well, maybe not a coach but think of all Grant Holt’s tricks and know-how. Don’t you wish Idah could learn some of this? Maybe a specialist advisor then! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barham Blitz 652 Posted March 21, 2023 10 hours ago, Walcombe canary said: Can we go back to Ian Chippy Crook ? - What a player - Very underrated. My favourite ever Norwich player - at least amongst those I was old enough to see live. Absolute genius with the ball. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrdi 373 Posted March 22, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, Barham Blitz said: My favourite ever Norwich player - at least amongst those I was old enough to see live. Absolute genius with the ball. 100% - it’s easy to falsely elevate former players but Chippy was special. Not only did he have the vision but the ability to fulfill it.  Wes is also up there for me, a very different player of course but the same factors apply.  As other posters say above, I’d argue Emi took the baton from Wes but we’ve had nobody to subsequently take it from Emi. These three were all players you’d be excited to watch and that’s been a missing ingredient in our team over the last couple of seasons. Meh. Edited March 22, 2023 by mrdi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greavsy 2,412 Posted March 22, 2023 13 hours ago, TeemuVanBasten said: then became a model pro Hmm, not sure about that, depending which reports you read. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shefcanary 2,393 Posted March 22, 2023 Perhaps I'm just a bit older than others on here, but, Chippy was good but if he was as good as people seem to remember he would never have stayed at Norwich for so long. There were many games where he was anonymous, probably more so than Wes. Now Martin Peters on the other hand .... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Green Army 237 Posted March 22, 2023 I have high hopes for Jonny Rowe, think he will be a special player. Looks to have all the attributes, just needs to shrug off these injuries and get a sustained run in the team to show us what he is capable off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert N. LiM 4,326 Posted March 22, 2023 2 hours ago, shefcanary said: Perhaps I'm just a bit older than others on here, but, Chippy was good but if he was as good as people seem to remember he would never have stayed at Norwich for so long. There were many games where he was anonymous, probably more so than Wes. That's probably fair: it's a nice part of our memories of footballers that we remember their best moments/games and the more mediocre ones fade into the background. However, I think it's also worth saying that in those days the wage differential wasn't as dramatic as it is now. Sure, he'd have been richer if he'd gone to a bigger club than us, but not life-changingly so. Perhaps he was just happy here, as many seem to be: for much of his Norwich career (certainly his peak) he was playing for one of the best teams in the country, after all. We finished fifth, fourth and third while he was with us. He obviously wasn't as good as Le Tissier, but there's an example of a player who definitely could have gone more or less anywhere he wanted, but chose to stay where he was comfortable. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AJ 1,218 Posted March 23, 2023 On 21/03/2023 at 12:38, hogesar said: I put Wes above all of them in the context of him being worth the price of a match ticket on his own, even when we weren't necessarily playing well he delivered something a bit special. Absolutely this, and it was also the ridiculous reliability that you knew he'd always find one spark of magic to win you the game every single week, akin to Buendia and Maddison mentioned on here. I always remember 2 key games for Wes, coming on at half time to score a hat trick against Sheffield United at home and setting up Holt from off the bench to beat QPR in the prem the following season. Both games where he just completely dominated play after coming on. I'd love us to have someone like that now, maybe it might be Nunes, but he's lacking the consistency just yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barham Blitz 652 Posted March 23, 2023 22 hours ago, shefcanary said: Perhaps I'm just a bit older than others on here, but, Chippy was good but if he was as good as people seem to remember he would never have stayed at Norwich for so long. There were many games where he was anonymous, probably more so than Wes. Now Martin Peters on the other hand ... Too young (just !) to have seen Martin Peters apart from old TV footage but everything I have seen - plus his obviously stellar career - supports your point. As for why he stayed so long, if Wes wasn't exactly the model pro in his younger days I suspect Crook's infamous 30 a day habit possibly limited his appeal at the very highest level 😉. But give him the ball at his feet and he was capable of the sublime and I suppose it is those bits which linger longest in the memory.  1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GodlyOtsemobor 2,292 Posted March 23, 2023 (edited) I think Wes will always be my favorite ncfc player. In some great company with Bellamy, Huckerby and Greeno.  (And two very random additions of Chris Llewellyn and obviously jon otsemobor - I don't know why, I think it's purely cos my best mate couldn't stand either and so I made it my purpose to absolutely love both players 😂) Edited March 23, 2023 by GodlyOtsemobor 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites