WHAT PROTESTERS SHOULD DO NEXT!

[Rudolph Hucker 0]

I would not personally take part in a street protest but as street protests go the one at the Stoke game was well conducted.

Under Robert Chase protests were constantly ignored and got out of hand. Under this Boards stewardship apart from Mr. Skippers Chase era throwback speech the protest was acknowledged, maybe not to everyone''s satisfaction and some still look for the down side in everything, but acknowledged it was.

Sensibly the organisers too have acknowledged this and called a halt. I think truce is the wrong word because that implies some sort of agreement; but, a cessation of hostilities has been employed. The result is: the organisers have the credibility to go for it again, they simply need to point to a material breach of the Clubs stated position as a listening Club or in Nigel Worthingtons ongoing Management quality.

I think Worthington and the players know they are on trial. The Board, and however nice they try to effect their personas they do have some large ego''s, will not have enjoyed being put in their recent position and Worthington will know he is in competition for their affections with the supporters and that ultimately the Manager always loses.

What NCISA should have done is: clarified in simple terms what the Club''s position is on areas of concern and not just have accepted stock and slightly to wholly ambiguous answers. For example: ''Norwich City is committed to the development of youth and will review it''s salary scales for young professionals (Rossi Jarvis) and their access to competitive football either through the first team, on loan or through release.''

The last example is off the top of my head and would need additional refinement but surely as paying customer supporters are entitled to know how the Club intends to manage it''s own developed players.

A similar clarification on loan signing against squad size is also relevant. How many season tickets does it take to sign a loanee who hardly plays for the Club? This is lost money and is a sign of managerial ineptitude. This Club used to be a tightly run ship, nowadays it seems to be financially irresponsible and it''s cash income is not reflected in it''s league position. Can you imagine Worthy explaining some of his loan signings to Sir. Alan Sugar? What terrible business.

So now is the time for the campaigners to nail some colours to the mast and state their expectations. They will need to point to clear and sound reasons should they continue with the protests and now is the time to set out their stall.

 

[Fat Barman 0]

I wanted to bump this back up the board. I was hoping to see some interesting responses to Rude Old''s points, unfortunately it didn''t capture anyone elses interest first time around. This is what we could discuss instead of name-calling.

[A Load of Squit 6,260]

They''ve allowed the club to pat them on the head and say ''down boy, sit!'', the next thing is to roll on thier backs and let the club rub thier tummies!

 

[First Wizard 0]

[quote user="Rudolph Hucker"]

I would not personally take part in a street protest but as street protests go the one at the Stoke game was well conducted.

Under Robert Chase protests were constantly ignored and got out of hand. Under this Boards stewardship apart from Mr. Skippers Chase era throwback speech the protest was acknowledged, maybe not to everyone''s satisfaction and some still look for the down side in everything, but acknowledged it was.

Sensibly the organisers too have acknowledged this and called a halt. I think truce is the wrong word because that implies some sort of agreement; but, a cessation of hostilities has been employed. The result is: the organisers have the credibility to go for it again, they simply need to point to a material breach of the Clubs stated position as a listening Club or in Nigel Worthingtons ongoing Management quality.

I think Worthington and the players know they are on trial. The Board, and however nice they try to effect their personas they do have some large ego''s, will not have enjoyed being put in their recent position and Worthington will know he is in competition for their affections with the supporters and that ultimately the Manager always loses.

What NCISA should have done is: clarified in simple terms what the Club''s position is on areas of concern and not just have accepted stock and slightly to wholly ambiguous answers. For example: ''Norwich City is committed to the development of youth and will review it''s salary scales for young professionals (Rossi Jarvis) and their access to competitive football either through the first team, on loan or through release.''

The last example is off the top of my head and would need additional refinement but surely as paying customer supporters are entitled to know how the Club intends to manage it''s own developed players.

A similar clarification on loan signing against squad size is also relevant. How many season tickets does it take to sign a loanee who hardly plays for the Club? This is lost money and is a sign of managerial ineptitude. This Club used to be a tightly run ship, nowadays it seems to be financially irresponsible and it''s cash income is not reflected in it''s league position. Can you imagine Worthy explaining some of his loan signings to Sir. Alan Sugar? What terrible business.

So now is the time for the campaigners to nail some colours to the mast and state their expectations. They will need to point to clear and sound reasons should they continue with the protests and now is the time to set out their stall.

 

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I assume you haven''t taken part in the demo''s Ru, if that''s the case then YOU HAVE NO RIGHT to give any advise to them.

If I''m wrong and you ARE an active demostrator, then I of course apologise to you.

[Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0]

[quote user="A load of squit"]

They''ve allowed the club to pat them on the head and say ''down boy, sit!'', the next thing is to roll on thier backs and let the club rub thier tummies!

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All it will take is a defeat....  But why do you care squit, your happy with 11th...... Season over in february...  2.75 million wasted...

[T07 0]

[quote user="1st Wizard"]

I assume you haven''t taken part in the demo''s Ru, if that''s the case then YOU HAVE NO RIGHT to give any advise to them.

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He has every right to an opinion, as long as he doesn''t try to impose that opinion on others as he has done previously.

The problem the club have is that they cannot speak the truth, which is

that at the current time there is no alternative. There are no

available candidates worth considering. Therefore by default,

Worthington is "the best man for the job", they just leave out the ''at

the momnet'' bit.

I dont think its hard to read between the lines. This way they win

whatever happens. Worthy turns it around - they were right.He doesn''t

and A.N.Other becomes available - then they were right to wait.

Nobody is available who

a) is good enough

b) wants the job

Get it?

[The Original Yellow Fever 0]

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn

[still holding out for new heroes 0]

I guess the problem is the more detail as supporters we try and drill down into in terms of questions to the board the easier in a way it is for them to come up with stock answers.

For Example, why is an ageing left back prefered in midfield to a talented youngster - the board can easily say this is a football decision that the coaching staff are in a far better position to address than supporters....we know thats bull, but its a difficult argument to counter.

[Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0]

[quote user="T07"]
Nobody is available who

a) is good enough
b) wants the job

[/quote]

utter crap mate....   yeah  Worthy is the best manager available.....  are you kidding, his managerial record is appalling!!  he has lost more games than he has won overall!!  Even Gary Megson has a better record!!  His record is worse than Alan Pardew ,Mick Mccarthy, Neil Warnock and Joe Royle!!!  all the people he had a go at on winning the first division title... 

Add to that the fact he likes his teams to play hoofball!!  Where does all this worthy being irreplaceable nonsense coming from!!

HIS MANAGERIAL RECORD IS POOR!!

[chicken 0]

[quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"]

[quote user="T07"]Nobody is available who a) is good enoughb) wants the job[/quote]

utter crap mate....   yeah  Worthy is the best manager available.....  are you kidding, his managerial record is appalling!!  he has lost more games than he has won overall!!  Even Gary Megson has a better record!!  His record is worse than Alan Pardew ,Mick Mccarthy, Neil Warnock and Joe Royle!!!  all the people he had a go at on winning the first division title... 

Add to that the fact he likes his teams to play hoofball!!  Where does all this worthy being irreplaceable nonsense coming from!!

HIS MANAGERIAL RECORD IS POOR!!

[/quote]Please stop this repetative and somewhat floored argument!Please also don''t tell other people that what they have is "crap" when to be fair most have listened to your opinions thought exactly the same thing but thoughtfully held back from actually typing it. This is the entire reason why many of the protestors may not exactly be the aggressors in situations but certainly are not aiding their position.The "we want Worthington out - and what anybody says to the contrary is rubbish" attitude is not democratic and holds no place in our fair country.His managerial record whilst at Norwich has been displayed on this board and has been widely agreed that the worse it could be described at is average. I don''t think you will find that Gary Megson does have that much of a better record if you look at the same period in time - obviously you cant compare careers because Megson has been going longer in management than Worthington I belive.Alan Pardew is good yes no one has ever argued that Worthington is better. Warnock, interesting. What has he achieved for all of his success? Not very much. Oh he may have made the play offs and the play off finals on a frequent basis but can you really say that he has been successful considering the players he has and has managed to keep at Brammal Lane? Jagielka, Tonge etc. I would think that Worthington could get us automatic promotion with that lot.I don''t think he does like our teams to play hoofball - but that again is only guessing as to what he likes and does not like and I am afraid is a very bad argument to base any grounds to have him sacked on.As I have said before - if the outers wanted to be more realistic the argument they should put forward which I believe is more accurate is that the "buzz" that the team had for the two or three seasons before and including the promotion season seems to have dispersed. It may have been the harsh reality of the premiership money game or it may be because after a set period of time the manager has to re-invent his style to get that buzz back - shake things up and bring back the passion.Now again unfortunately there is no strong evidence to suggest he hasnt tried this but what is for sure the team do not play with the same belief and desire in their football as they once did although it has to be agreed that the team has changed a lot in the last two or three seasons, especially this one.I like WTFer and will go with that because I can''t believe the words coming out of some peoples mouths who seem to want to be listened to but then say things that just incurage people to ignore them for their arrogance and appalling use of launguage.Somebody else on this post complained about lies and that the board does nothing but lie. Yeah I believe in the Roswell incident too and that it was the guy on the grassy knoll that killed JFK not Lee Harvey Oswald!!!! Norwich has a conspiracy - please come up with some hard facts before you accuse anyone of falsifying any information. Again many people believe that the board have been very honest and straight which is more than I can say for NISA recently which released two statements in a week contradicting each other - one from Roy Blower saying that NISA supported the idea of replacing Worthington and then another from another member of NISA suggesting that they weren''t exactly supporting him being sacked but were supporting fans in protesting that the football could be better.And thats not even including the beggining of the story where they issued a statement suggesting Worthington should go, then hastily withdrew it when we were up to 8th and 6 points away from the play-offs and then issued it yet again when we dropped points. Internal conflict and conspiracy - look no further than there!Now I don''t want to bring down the Worthington out campaign because it is things like this that can strengthen the club if dealt with in the right mannor. But the protestors have to realise that to achieve their goal they have to find a very valid and factual argument for their cause rather than playing the saw looser or "I never liked Worthington anyway" argument. Bringing up his record will not help you either as people have tried doing that especially bringing up his only previous club - decision made, now history and has no place in todays argument. If you didnt want him then you should have started protesting about that there not now where the argument is entirely different and he has successful campaigns behind him.My advice to the protestors is that if you still feel passionately enough about the situation to want to do something then form your own action group and discuss it amoungst yourselves. Don''t let NISA or NCFC officials call a ceasefire if you don''t want one. I mean you guys started the protests right? I don''t remember NISA being their then - so don''t let them call the shots if that is not to your agreement. But make sure that you put together your reasoned arguments and find a spokesperson or something.There is nothing more distasteful than arguments based upon guestimates that probably even deter your own followers. Also I would attempt to get a body together that can deal with some of the comebacks that the likes of Doncaster send out in reply to your questions - maybe even do some of things he almost mockingly suggests. In one reply he said go down to Colney and watch the training to see what is done their and then tell him that it is wrong!Has anyone from behind the Worthington out campaign done this yet? If they let you possibly even get some video footage and some notes. If you are lucky you may even be able to speak to one of the players - who knows.All I am trying to say here is that to do what you want to do you are going to have to start playing politics and raise your game. At the moment The arguments are for the main part unfounded and the defence of them worse. By telling someone to "shut up" because they are talking "rubbish" or words to a similar effect you are ending the debate and sinking to insults. In most places in the world this effectively means that you have no more ammunition to fire back and are scraping around for anything you can find. In short those words end any chance you have of people listening to you and your ability to change or alter their stance - in fact you strengthen theirs not your own.So what should they do next? Get together as a group and think about what their next step should be. I would recomend as previously stated that they form some sort of organising council with a spokesperson - don''t let someone else talk for you if what they are saying are not your words ie NISA.

[Saint Canary 0]

[quote user="chicken"]

Now I don''t want to bring down the Worthington out campaign because it is things like this that can strengthen the club if dealt with in the right mannor. But the protestors have to realise that to achieve their goal they have to find a very valid and factual argument for their cause rather than playing the saw looser or "I never liked Worthington anyway" argument. Bringing up his record will not help you either as people have tried doing that especially bringing up his only previous club - decision made, now history and has no place in todays argument. If you didnt want him then you should have started protesting about that there not now where the argument is entirely different and he has successful campaigns behind him.

My advice to the protestors is that if you still feel passionately enough about the situation to want to do something then form your own action group and discuss it amoungst yourselves. Don''t let NISA or NCFC officials call a ceasefire if you don''t want one. I mean you guys started the protests right? I don''t remember NISA being their then - so don''t let them call the shots if that is not to your agreement. But make sure that you put together your reasoned arguments and find a spokesperson or something.

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These two paragraphs are fantastic Chicken and anyone wishing to put pressure on the board to remove Worthy should take note.  If any WO movement (including myself) wants to be taken seriously then they have to distance themselves from the stupid, spurious nonsensical arguments that appear on this and other boards.  The board need to be continually presented with coherent questions and complaints that have to be taken seriously.

With all due respect to Paul, any argument that Warnock''s record is better than Worthy''s can be easily countered with the question of when Warnock last won or got promoted from this league?.  Where do you from there?  Point out he has made the play off''s a few times?  To be honest it doesn''t matter about some sort of points percentage as Worthy''s record Vs Warnock''s in the last 5 season is better for the fact he has actually achieved something!

There are so many comments on forums like these that make it easy for the board to suggest that the WO''s are just being unreasonable.  Comments like Worthy has a poor record in the transfer market and wastes money, it so easy for the board to respond with every manager makes mistakes but Nigel has had resounding success too with the likes of Hux, Ashton, Holt etc

 

[Rossi 0]

blimey chicken, is your post available in paperback too?

[Rossi 0]

maybe they should reverse their campaign

sing worthy songs when we are losing and clap dodgy subs, tactics and formations

sorry people, forgot we''ve done that for most of his tenure, especially last season

[Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0]

[quote user="Saint Canary"]

[quote user="chicken"]

Now I don''t want to bring down the Worthington out campaign because it is things like this that can strengthen the club if dealt with in the right mannor. But the protestors have to realise that to achieve their goal they have to find a very valid and factual argument for their cause rather than playing the saw looser or "I never liked Worthington anyway" argument. Bringing up his record will not help you either as people have tried doing that especially bringing up his only previous club - decision made, now history and has no place in todays argument. If you didnt want him then you should have started protesting about that there not now where the argument is entirely different and he has successful campaigns behind him.

My advice to the protestors is that if you still feel passionately enough about the situation to want to do something then form your own action group and discuss it amoungst yourselves. Don''t let NISA or NCFC officials call a ceasefire if you don''t want one. I mean you guys started the protests right? I don''t remember NISA being their then - so don''t let them call the shots if that is not to your agreement. But make sure that you put together your reasoned arguments and find a spokesperson or something.

[/quote]

These two paragraphs are fantastic Chicken and anyone wishing to put pressure on the board to remove Worthy should take note.  If any WO movement (including myself) wants to be taken seriously then they have to distance themselves from the stupid, spurious nonsensical arguments that appear on this and other boards.  The board need to be continually presented with coherent questions and complaints that have to be taken seriously.

With all due respect to Paul, any argument that Warnock''s record is better than Worthy''s can be easily countered with the question of when Warnock last won or got promoted from this league?.  Where do you from there?  Point out he has made the play off''s a few times?  To be honest it doesn''t matter about some sort of points percentage as Worthy''s record Vs Warnock''s in the last 5 season is better for the fact he has actually achieved something!

There are so many comments on forums like these that make it easy for the board to suggest that the WO''s are just being unreasonable.  Comments like Worthy has a poor record in the transfer market and wastes money, it so easy for the board to respond with every manager makes mistakes but Nigel has had resounding success too with the likes of Hux, Ashton, Holt etc

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You are right saint - but Megson has a better record than Worthy.  Warnock is a poor example it has to be said.  It may not be come May (lets hope his players bottles it - cos it wouldnt be his fault....)

[chicken 0]

[quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"][quote user="Saint Canary"]

[quote user="chicken"]Now I don''t want to bring down the Worthington out campaign because it is things like this that can strengthen the club if dealt with in the right mannor. But the protestors have to realise that to achieve their goal they have to find a very valid and factual argument for their cause rather than playing the saw looser or "I never liked Worthington anyway" argument. Bringing up his record will not help you either as people have tried doing that especially bringing up his only previous club - decision made, now history and has no place in todays argument. If you didnt want him then you should have started protesting about that there not now where the argument is entirely different and he has successful campaigns behind him.My advice to the protestors is that if you still feel passionately enough about the situation to want to do something then form your own action group and discuss it amoungst yourselves. Don''t let NISA or NCFC officials call a ceasefire if you don''t want one. I mean you guys started the protests right? I don''t remember NISA being their then - so don''t let them call the shots if that is not to your agreement. But make sure that you put together your reasoned arguments and find a spokesperson or something.[/quote]

These two paragraphs are fantastic Chicken and anyone wishing to put pressure on the board to remove Worthy should take note.  If any WO movement (including myself) wants to be taken seriously then they have to distance themselves from the stupid, spurious nonsensical arguments that appear on this and other boards.  The board need to be continually presented with coherent questions and complaints that have to be taken seriously.

With all due respect to Paul, any argument that Warnock''s record is better than Worthy''s can be easily countered with the question of when Warnock last won or got promoted from this league?.  Where do you from there?  Point out he has made the play off''s a few times?  To be honest it doesn''t matter about some sort of points percentage as Worthy''s record Vs Warnock''s in the last 5 season is better for the fact he has actually achieved something!

There are so many comments on forums like these that make it easy for the board to suggest that the WO''s are just being unreasonable.  Comments like Worthy has a poor record in the transfer market and wastes money, it so easy for the board to respond with every manager makes mistakes but Nigel has had resounding success too with the likes of Hux, Ashton, Holt etc

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You are right saint - but Megson has a better record than Worthy.  Warnock is a poor example it has to be said.  It may not be come May (lets hope his players bottles it - cos it wouldnt be his fault....)

[/quote]Megson had a better record although you have to remember he was in a similar position before he got WBA promoted the second time. And his latest form isnt great - struggled to get a team with good players to perform. I mean he has Kommons who is still linked with a move to the premiership, Holt who is more than capable at that level not to mention others. With Nottingham Forrest he really should have done a better job he needed to get their heads in the right place and motivate them. Something we would need right now so I would say his reccord is not great.As for my post in paperback - I can provide a cover and introduction should you want one?!!!

[ZLF 334]

struggled to get a team with good players to perform....he really should have done a better job he needed to get their heads in the right place and motivate them

Chicken - who are you talking about Megson or Worthy?   The comments apply equally to both managers,  yet Megson was dismissed  yet our manager remains...  

Sounds very similar to Norwich - Green, Doc, Hux, Ashton, Safri, Earnshaw all prem players with Drury, WLY and Leon just below that level...

[lucky green trainers 0]

it seems there is little they can do - its a case of waiting and seeing how the results and performances pan out. delia and michael could have chosen to unite the club in one fell swoop by dispensing with worthy''s service, could you have imagined  a pro-worthy demo outside carra rd in response ?  no, neither can i.she has chosen a riskier course,  not a gamble in her eyes, by sticking with worthy and riding out the protests - probably in the hope that performances and results would improve.  for me, she is riding on her good reputation now with the fans - in effect asking them to have faith in her judgment and in worthy in spite of the considerable opposition.  we are all having to trust in what is probably her gut instincts, becuase the performances on the pitch this season have merited the managers sacking/resignation, if so inclined.her statement in support of worthy caused the campaigners to back down, because a fan versus fan debate at each match is unpleasant at its least and violent at its worst - and if you care about NCFC,  risking its possible implosion in these circumstances is not worth it, yet. 

[A Load of Squit 6,260]

[quote user="lucky green trainers"]it seems there is little they can do - its a case of waiting and seeing how the results and performances pan out.

delia and michael could have chosen to unite the club in one fell swoop by dispensing with worthy''s service, could you have imagined  a pro-worthy demo outside carra rd in response ?  no, neither can i.

she has chosen a riskier course,  not a gamble in her eyes, by sticking with worthy and riding out the protests - probably in the hope that performances and results would improve. 

for me, she is riding on her good reputation now with the fans - in effect asking them to have faith in her judgment and in worthy in spite of the considerable opposition.  we are all having to trust in what is probably her gut instincts, becuase the performances on the pitch this season have merited the managers sacking/resignation, if so inclined.

her statement in support of worthy caused the campaigners to back down, because a fan versus fan debate at each match is unpleasant at its least and violent at its worst - and if you care about NCFC,  risking its possible implosion in these circumstances is not worth it, yet.

 



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"delia and michael could have chosen to unite the club in one fell swoop by dispensing with worthy''s service"

So you are saying give in to a pressure group who have no proof that they are in the majority, thats a dangerous precedent, the next about 500-1000 supporters don''t like something they''ll expect the same.  

"for me, she is riding on her good reputation now with the fans - in effect asking them to have faith in her judgment and in worthy in spite of the considerable opposition. "

What exactly is considerable? You can''t justify this claim, its fraudulent.

The campaign backed down because they were scared that the numbers would be down on the first protest and it would look bad, they''ve said so on thier own site.

 

 

 

[Rudolph Hucker 0]

Thanks FB for raising my thread.

Squit and Wiz you are as bad as each other.

Foggy you are beginning to come across as a nerd.

TO7 I don''t care what you think.

Chicken, I have been out posted. You took my thread and ran with it and I take my hat off to you, great post.

Saint, well backed up.

The fact is that Protesters need a mandate. They had one, the Club responded and now they need another before further protests which have some credibility. To carry on now would be seen by the general support as protest for the sake of it and the participants would be branded accordingly.

To gain another mandate a position has to be defined so a breach or failure can be identified. This is what NCISA failed to acheive for me. Was a date set for a further meeting to review progress on the matters causing concern? How is satisfaction or dis-satisfaction to be measured? The real measure, season ticket renewals, tells the Club all is well, so do attendences so what is left? What did NCSIA indicate to the Board would be the measure of things: results? If so, what is acceptible.

My measure for Worthington just before Christmas was promotion by the play-offs or out. In reality I would have settled for good football, a play off place and a promise of an improving squad, but got neither.

When I see the dispirate opinions on this Board and the criticism of the contributors who actually try to consolidate issues and set out a way forward as telling others what to think/do wah![:''(] I realise just how easy it is for an organised Board to walk all over you.

Just like Worthy this season the protesters failed to have a Plan B in place which NCSIA could have alluded to in their meeting. Never mind, there is still time to plan and that is what this thread intended to stimulate.

[Rudolph Hucker 0]

Incidentally, I do not do street protest.

I have already made my protest through not renewing my season ticket and the cost of changing my mind to date stands at £40. Meanwhile most other complainers sheepishly renewed theirs, sometimes with a letter of complaint, thus criticising and consoling at the same time.

And finally, it is alright to hold a view on something you are not participating in, infact the objectivity of such a view might be considered to be worthwhile to those so blinded by their own arguements they cannot see the best way forward. And if you feel patronised....too bad....get over it!

[YankeeCanary 0]

Rudolph, you make some good points sometimes but your inflated opinion of your abilities ( totally misplaced ) gets in the way. You "take your hat off to Chicken" for out posting you ( please, give the rest of us a little more of that humility I keep suggesting ). Chicken''s note probably appeals because, as in your case, the spelling leaves a lot to be desired. However, even Chicken knows how to spell "argument", which you consistently get wrong.  In your second last post, were you attempting to use the word dispirit or disparate. Dispirate had me totally confused. I wondered if you were referring to dis pirate or that pirate.

I''ve been out of town for a bit Rudolph but, upon returning, am disappointed to see that you have not heeded my earlier advice and taken on a little more humility. Particularly when there''s so much for you to learn. Also, if you intend to take your hat off to others on occasions ( an admirable trait...try not to think "trate" ) then perhaps you need to get down to Luton for re-sizing, so that the hat size is commensurate with the head, making it noticeable when removed. 

[Rudolph Hucker 0]

YankeeCanary wrote

Rudolph, you make some good points sometimes but your inflated opinion of your abilities ( totally misplaced ) gets in the way. You "take your hat off to Chicken" for out posting you ( please, give the rest of us a little more of that humility I keep suggesting ). Chicken''s note probably appeals because, as in your case, the spelling leaves a lot to be desired. However, even Chicken knows how to spell "argument", which you consistently get wrong.  In your second last post, were you attempting to use the word dispirit or disparate. Dispirate had me totally confused. I wondered if you were referring to dis pirate or that pirate.

I''ve been out of town for a bit Rudolph but, upon returning, am disappointed to see that you have not heeded my earlier advice and taken on a little more humility. Particularly when there''s so much for you to learn. Also, if you intend to take your hat off to others on occasions ( an admirable trait...try not to think "trate" ) then perhaps you need to get down to Luton for re-sizing, so that the hat size is commensurate with the head, making it noticeable when removed. 

Septic,

How nice to have you back. You may have missed my post asking where you were, but never mind.

Thank you for the spelling corrections, and at least it saves you looking beyond the superficial.

I will give credit where it is due. Sorry you have earned so little of it lately but there is not much I can do about that.

While you have been away there has been some attempt made to make posts more constructive and for replies to attack the message rather than the messenger; now you are back you will, presumably, assist the slide back into trolling.

Remember too that you know nothing of my actual abilities so are not in any position to judge. As it happens my instincts regarding the protests, for example, have been shown to be correct. Others may take note or ignore them, but personally I have every confidence in my own judgement.

I am honoured you chose to slate me in your comeback post.

Love

Rudolph.