PockthorpePete 331 Posted March 12, 2023 Yes, certainly. Will we reach the plays is another matter? The idea of training at the same rime as the game did not work today. However I still think we have enough in us to keep picking up the points needed. You do not gain anything by losing out on an automatic place the last day, by one point. 6th is always enough. Though scrapping in as 6th does suggest you are the best contender. Sunderland were not that great today. They scored, then did enough to stop us from scoring. That's it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Branston Pickle 4,144 Posted March 12, 2023 We can’t afford too many slips if we want to finish in the top 6, particularly with games against present incumbents in Blackburn, Middlesbrough and Sheff Utd to come. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CANARYKING 707 Posted March 12, 2023 Lose the next two then we have Sheffield, lose that then it all over Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
littleyellowbirdie 3,138 Posted March 12, 2023 This is our first blip in a while, and not even a bad one really at 0-1. Very confident we'll be in the playoffs and continue to improve such that we stand a decent chance of promotion. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary Jedi 609 Posted March 12, 2023 Before today I was quietly thinking about the outside chance of the 2nd automatic spot. Big dose of reality today. I’d take 6th spot in a heart beat. Obvious answer is yes, of course we can make it. But it will require a big improvement in attacking performance. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Branston 58 Posted March 12, 2023 Of course it's possible . Progress in previous games outweighs one bad day . This league is a lottery . Time for cool heads - and expectation management from fans . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AJ 1,358 Posted March 12, 2023 String a few wins together and the table changes massively. Our home form is a concern. And even if we did make it we don't look like a team capable of stringing turner together 3 wins or good performances Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ged in the onion bag 960 Posted March 13, 2023 We’ve got one player who can play in the EPL! Gunn! That’s a good 16 players shy of what we need allowing for some of our lads being back up in a 25-man squad! This team can’t go up, they would get destroyed! The money wouldn’t be enough, nowhere near, it wasn’t the last two promotions! Our recruitment can’t be trusted, we haven’t even got a formation or philosophy that’s honed and suits the players. Not that that would matter since this group aren’t good enough anyway! There’s another thread where half the posters are voting The Mare for POTS! Says it all! Time you lot had a reality check! 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellowhammer 95 Posted March 13, 2023 Hope not , not good enough to go up need some investment first , no doubt if we don’t go up Sara will go and possibly Gunn Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Commonsense 802 Posted March 13, 2023 10 hours ago, ged in the onion bag said: We’ve got one player who can play in the EPL! Gunn! That’s a good 16 players shy of what we need allowing for some of our lads being back up in a 25-man squad! This team can’t go up, they would get destroyed! The money wouldn’t be enough, nowhere near, it wasn’t the last two promotions! Our recruitment can’t be trusted, we haven’t even got a formation or philosophy that’s honed and suits the players. Not that that would matter since this group aren’t good enough anyway! There’s another thread where half the posters are voting The Mare for POTS! Says it all! Time you lot had a reality check! You really do like an exclamation mark. So are you saying that Aaron’s is not good enough for the premier league, that Sara cannot push on? How many prem players do you think Luton have, or Millwall? Obviously if we go up we will need investment ( Wisely spent this time!) but I really don’t see that we are massively worse than other contenders, beyond obviously Burnley. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Monty13 2,736 Posted March 13, 2023 I’ve never really bought into the we shouldn’t get promoted narrative…until now. If Wagner somehow gets this team of inconsistent, mentally fragile underperformers promoted, then turns them into anything other than relegation fodder, it will instantly make him one of the greatest NCFC managers of all time. I hope it happens, I just don’t see it happening. If we somehow find the mental fortitude to make it to the playoffs and win them (an incredible achievement in itself) I struggle to see how we wouldn’t get spanked week in week out again in the PL. The turnaround required in the squad (both mentally and personnel) in one summer to avoid that would be massive. I know the financial implications of not getting promoted are massive. But right now it just feels like we are too damaged to be successful (not just the squad, Carrow road is a morgue) and maybe a complete refresh and a lot of work on and off the pitch is needed to set the right environment to go again. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ged in the onion bag 960 Posted March 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Commonsense said: You really do like an exclamation mark. So are you saying that Aaron’s is not good enough for the premier league, that Sara cannot push on? How many prem players do you think Luton have, or Millwall? Obviously if we go up we will need investment ( Wisely spent this time!) but I really don’t see that we are massively worse than other contenders, beyond obviously Burnley. From what I’ve seen, Gunn could step up. Aaron’s was definitely good enough but not the way we’ve been set up this last year or so and he looks like his level has dropped as a consequence so at the moment no. Clarke for example found it far too easy to cut inside yesterday. I don’t think Sara is that good yet either,(perhaps and hopefully he could be) but the step up is significant. Whether he can do that is open to question still. He’s certainly not done enough to know for certain. I don’t think we have anything else at the moment though. As for other contenders, that’s their issue but for sure they are set up to be harder to beat and could be slightly more competitive for that reason. We have had two pretty embarrassing efforts and are much ridiculed by EPL fans at the moment, a third debacle won’t wash with anyone, particularly our fans. If, a few months in we are getting thumped (which in all likelihood is what will be happening given our current squad and the finance’s available). Consider just how bad this forum was back in February through May, people seem to have short memories. Even with the best recruitment window, we couldn’t bridge the gap from this position. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt. Pants 5,001 Posted March 13, 2023 We really need to finish 5th or better assuming Sheff Utd or Middlesbrough will finish 3rd. I can't see us beating either of those over 2 legs. On another thread I predicted us finishing with 73pts, that's now the equivalent of 6 wins from our last 10 games which includes Sheff Utd(h), Blackburn (a), Middlesbrough (a), WBA (a). There's not a lot of margin for error now and I'll think we'll have a much clearer view by 5pm Saturday. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sgncfc 1,330 Posted March 13, 2023 I don't see us getting the points we need from the games we have left. We still have no idea how to play against a high press and unless we score first in games the chances are we will lose - I know there have been a couple of exceptions, but usually we are not good at coming from behind. Defensively we are still a bit of a shambles too. If Hanley and Gibson don't get cover they are very easy to run against and both our full backs are dreadful at defending. Other teams in the play off picture are much clearer about their identity and although results can go any way in the Champs, they are there because they are a little more consistent in their performances. Ours are all over the place. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Google Bot 3,923 Posted March 13, 2023 Sarge coming back, Rowe making his way, Marquinhos yet to get a full game, The enigma that is Tzolis.... There's still many cards up Wagner's sleeve to be played. We need to get Carrow Road jumping again, we owe it to the man! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,680 Posted March 13, 2023 We don't look to be anywhere near consistent enough to getthe 22-24 points that would probably make it. Maybe the internstional break might give DW the chance to get it into the players' head that they are going to have to pick up the pace during games. Slow passing doesn't hurt anyone. If they cannot do it then we will be doomed to miss the playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hucks6 186 Posted March 13, 2023 Don’t want to another embarrassing year in premiership will not end well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PockthorpePete 331 Posted March 13, 2023 6 hours ago, Yellowhammer said: Hope not , not good enough to go up need some investment first , no doubt if we don’t go up Sara will go and possibly Gunn Utterly absurd, if only that it presumes we will be promoted next season. If we get promoted we are good enough to..... get promoted. What follows is anyone's guess.....other than any financial problems are cleared, and we have a chance of staying up. If not it resets the parachute payments back to three years. What next ? We are in the semi finals of the FA Cup but decide we won't try and get to the final because there is no guarantee we will win. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canarybubbles 2,199 Posted March 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, PockthorpePete said: Utterly absurd, if only that it presumes we will be promoted next season. If we get promoted we are good enough to..... get promoted. What follows is anyone's guess.....other than any financial problems are cleared, and we have a chance of staying up. If not it resets the parachute payments back to three years. What next ? We are in the semi finals of the FA Cup but decide we won't try and get to the final because there is no guarantee we will win. I agree. Yes, it is possible we will be embarrassing again in the PL if we go up. But are Blackburn, Millwall and Luton so far ahead of us that this isn't true of them? Whoever goes up (with the possible exception of Burnley) will need to make a hell of a lot of the right decisions and get a load of luck and hope somehow they can survive. And that would be true of us if we went up next season. It is fantasy to think that we (and probably any club) can somehow get ourselves ready for the PL. Go up, fight, and hope. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PockthorpePete 331 Posted March 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, canarybubbles said: Go up, fight, and hope. Exactly, Bar a half dozen or so the PL is only very a temporary slot. Have West Ham, Leeds, Everton and S'oton also not 'give a go'. What happens if we need a win in our last game to reach the play offs. Do we throw the game, as we are not ready ? Much as with the final. Maybe those in '59 should have thrown the game as we were never going to reach the final, never mind win it. We start every game with the intent to win, not a " I won't take the £100,000 lottery win. I'll wait till next week for the jackpot". Boro and WBA were pretty much rubbish in the first half of the season. Have they massively changed their squad ? Did they look at that squad and say, we better not try to win as we are not good enough for a play off place ? Nope. Some on here need to lose that 'little ole norwich' mentality Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonnyace1 30 Posted March 14, 2023 Yes- we can make the play offs. Only mistake Wagner made at the weekend was not to play a defensive midfielder. My heart sank when I saw the team selection for Sunderland and feared the worst. Regardless of style or what the team is up against- the team needs a DM. Every team needs one. Sorensen should play every game to the end of the season as he is the only one we have. I will be amazed if we are outside the top 6 if he does this simple thing. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigFish 2,282 Posted March 14, 2023 On 13/03/2023 at 00:30, ged in the onion bag said: We’ve got one player who can play in the EPL! Gunn! That’s a good 16 players shy of what we need allowing for some of our lads being back up in a 25-man squad! This team can’t go up, they would get destroyed! The money wouldn’t be enough, nowhere near, it wasn’t the last two promotions! Our recruitment can’t be trusted, we haven’t even got a formation or philosophy that’s honed and suits the players. Not that that would matter since this group aren’t good enough anyway! There’s another thread where half the posters are voting The Mare for POTS! Says it all! Time you lot had a reality check! Do you really think football and supporting NCFC is for you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dylanisabaddog 6,131 Posted March 14, 2023 On 13/03/2023 at 00:30, ged in the onion bag said: We’ve got one player who can play in the EPL! Gunn! That’s a good 16 players shy of what we need allowing for some of our lads being back up in a 25-man squad! This team can’t go up, they would get destroyed! The money wouldn’t be enough, nowhere near, it wasn’t the last two promotions! Our recruitment can’t be trusted, we haven’t even got a formation or philosophy that’s honed and suits the players. Not that that would matter since this group aren’t good enough anyway! There’s another thread where half the posters are voting The Mare for POTS! Says it all! Time you lot had a reality check! The question was can we go up, not can we stay up. I'd say yes to the first and a very painful no to survival. I think whoever goes up via the playoffs will struggle although that may be Middlesbrough in which case they have a chance. From what I've seen Burnley and Middlesbrough are extremely effective and the rest of us are very ordinary. Whether or not the current players are good enough is difficult. Dimi looked more comfortable in the Premier League and Sara looks like he could cope and possibly Andrew O. Teemu probably could but the rest absolutely no chance I'm afraid. It's a worry. Forest spent an absolute fortune and it's still possible they could be relegated, especially bearing in mind their remaining fixtures. It gets harder every year and does football no good whatsoever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt. Pants 5,001 Posted March 14, 2023 If Millwall win tonight we're 5 points off 6th with a game in hand. If Coventry also win we're down to 8th. Heaps a lot of pressure on tomorrow night's game which is a must win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
repman 750 Posted March 14, 2023 We definitely can make the playoffs but if we continue to attempt to fit 2 of Pukki/Idah/Sargent on the pitch at the same time then we'll probably finish mid table. Just looking at it, by my count with at least 2 of the 3 playing our record is 8W/4D/12L, when it's just one of them our record is 8W/2D/1L. Obviously there might be mitigating factors such as the strength of opposition but even under Wagner I think we looked the most complete as a side in the run with Idah starting up front alone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pete 371 Posted March 14, 2023 6th place if we go on a run. If Middlesboro in play offs no chance but if they overhaul Sheff Utd then expect them to be fragile. Would love to knock them out and beat Luton at Wembley. Two clubs we owe a beating, need to avoid Wian and Sunland performances. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PockthorpePete 331 Posted March 15, 2023 On 14/03/2023 at 14:53, pete said: 6th place if we go on a run. If Middlesboro in play offs no chance but if they overhaul Sheff Utd then expect them to be fragile. Would love to knock them out and beat Luton at Wembley. Two clubs we owe a beating, need to avoid Wian and Sunland performances. or "Failure to reach play offs absolute disaster for a team with one of the best squads in the division." Best squads in the division ? I would venture that a squad can be judged on it's performance. So we are not one of the best. Tonight will give an indicating of just how good we are. One of the 'easiest' games over the final 10. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthMancCanary 5 Posted March 15, 2023 Do we want to reach the play offs? The sooner the season ends we can rebuild. Promotion under the same regime will only entail the same embarrassing result 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
