Match of the day.. No more Lineker*

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4 hours ago, dylanisabaddog said:

I think the lines between Socialism and Communism are a bit blurred there, although I know absolutely nothing about Venezuela. 

You do raise an interesting point though because what 2008 proved is that capitalism doesn't work either. We've been paying for it ever since. 

For the most part, most of Western Europe has been to the left of the UK for a long time. Exclude the Italians from that. If you ever got to the bottom of their politics you'd probably be shot for your efforts. LYB will tell you it's because other European countries don't share our political FPTP system. He is probably right but we won't be changing any time soon, if ever. 

Some of these European systems are complicated and result in some very strange alliances.

Austria is a weird one. In their federal parliament (61 seats) they have a coalition with 31 seats in charge. That coalition consists of 5 Green Party members, and 26 from the right wing Austrian People's Party. However, one of the Green's is the president! 

Under the Federal council they have 9 state parliaments / legislatures, of which 6 are dominated by the Austrian People's Party. Only, their Greens do a pretty good job on the international arena of masking this. If it weren't for the much more liberal Vienna they'd dominate the federal council too.

It isn't just the UK which sees the capital vote very differently to the provinces! 

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5 hours ago, dylanisabaddog said:

You do raise an interesting point though because what 2008 proved is that capitalism doesn't work either. We've been paying for it ever since.

Nothing works if it is left to run riot. Everything in moderation.

The problem with moderating money making is that there has to be an amount of "greed" to drive markets and that same greed will look for ways around safeguards and checks.

The reality is that they became complacent, there weren't enough checks in place. The checks and moderation has to always be one step ahead of that greed or it flops.

The same as governance. If there are not checks and moderation in place, you end up with situations we are seeing more and more often. The greedy want less accountability because they don't want the responsibility that comes with the power people give them through electing them.

They want their cake and eat it.

This is why you get this sort of "look it's them". In reality, that £75m tax break given to Amazon would be a huge wedge towards solving a lot of issues we have. 

 

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1 hour ago, TeemuVanBasten said:

Some of these European systems are complicated and result in some very strange alliances.

Austria is a weird one. In their federal parliament (61 seats) they have a coalition with 31 seats in charge. That coalition consists of 5 Green Party members, and 26 from the right wing Austrian People's Party. However, one of the Green's is the president! 

Under the Federal council they have 9 state parliaments / legislatures, of which 6 are dominated by the Austrian People's Party. Only, their Greens do a pretty good job on the international arena of masking this. If it weren't for the much more liberal Vienna they'd dominate the federal council too.

It isn't just the UK which sees the capital vote very differently to the provinces! 

That'll be Vienna, the most liveable city in the world for three of the last five years.

Vienna named world's most liveable city in 2022. These 5 European cities also made the top 10 | Euronews

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5 minutes ago, TheGunnShow said:

That'll be Vienna, the most liveable city in the world for three of the last five years.

Vienna named world's most liveable city in 2022. These 5 European cities also made the top 10 | Euronews

Not sure I get your point? Is it that Austria may have huge disparities in wealth, opportunity and prosperity between the capital and the provinces and that's why they vote differently in the capital? If so, yes probably.

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On 12/03/2023 at 10:29, littleyellowbirdie said:

It's not punishment; it's finding any way of removing people who don't have a right to be in the UK as a means of deterring people from attempting to enter over the channel in the first place.

But we don’t know whether they have a right or not. And removing them to somewhere else will not stop the problem unless we try and understand the reasoning of the migrants. 
Because our system is so useless and we have left the EU, the problem is our own to deal with. It’s ironic that the problem has surfaced under over s decade of Tory mismanagement. You can’t run a country effectively without paying for it in the first place. 
Paying France £500 million to improve their border control for people illegally leaving France after illegally entering France is stupidity at its highest level. Why would the French bother doing anything?
 

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Just now, duke63 said:

But we don’t know whether they have a right or not. And removing them to somewhere else will not stop the problem unless we try and understand the reasoning of the migrants. 
Because our system is so useless and we have left the EU, the problem is our own to deal with. It’s ironic that the problem has surfaced under over s decade of Tory mismanagement. You can’t run a country effectively without paying for it in the first place. 
Paying France £500 million to improve their border control for people illegally leaving France after illegally entering France is stupidity at its highest level. Why would the French bother doing anything?
 

If the UK is perceived to be a hostile destination where people who enter illegally will be removed far away from the UK then that will deter people from risking their lives in the long run and therefore save lives. The reason the UK has this problem is because France successfully creates a hostile environment for failed asylum seekers. We should do the same, because as I've said before, most people don't wantpeople illegally entering their country, especially when they're doing so from a safe country like France. All anyone is trying to do is create a situation where those who aren't welcome go away somewhere else and don't try to illegally enter the country in the first place. Nobody is seeking to persecute anybody.

The argument that there are no legal routes to the UK is a myth. Anyone who can find any grounds to get a visa to go to the UK can get into the UK to legally claim asylum. That will be plenty enough of global asylum seekers for us to deal with our fair share until the failures of international law are addressed.

 

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On 11/03/2023 at 15:31, The Real Buh said:

Kettle crisp ingredients (sea salt)

Select Potatoes, Vegetable Oils (Rapeseed Oil, Sunflower Oil)*, Sea Salt
 

Doritos  tangy cheese ingredients

I bought a packet of these the other day The Real Buh on your recommendation and was expecting to see a much shorter ingredients list on the back.

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19 hours ago, JuanVelasco said:

I bought a packet of these the other day The Real Buh on your recommendation and was expecting to see a much shorter ingredients list on the back.

That’s literally just the addition of vinegar my dude