norfolkngood 505 Posted January 22 6 minutes ago, Naturalcynic said: We’re not a wealthy club, and if the speculation by some is correct that he’s not been turning up for training, been late for meetings, and has generally behaved like a petulant teenager while being paid an enormous salary to sit at home, then a modicum of impatience with him would be understandable. i think a lot of it is we as NCFC fans are one of the most understanding fans in the country we do not want Todd Upset or leaving we want him here playing well we would be happy to sell him for good money and wish him well and thank him for his service what we do not understand is why 4 managers have dismissed him why for managers are happy for him to go There must be a good reason why he is not playing as he has the talent i do not believe it is Form or Contract others have been out of Form or leaving in the summer and have played Pukki has not signed a contract yet but one of the first on the team sheet Cantwell has the talent to have played in this team so all as fans are asking why is he not been playing for the last 2 seasons ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
All the Germans 1,006 Posted January 22 2 hours ago, Mason 47 said: I think what smarts most is that Dowell's role the past 2 games could absolutely, easily be Cantwell. Acknowledging that he probably long since made it clear he'd be signing with someone else this month, there was a version of this story where he still played a role. It feels like a lovers tiff between two parties who wouldn't apologise before the other did. Personally speaking I still can't believe what is, objectively, a reserve player moving practically on a free transfer turning into a 3 week media saga. But that is very Todd. I disagree. Physically, Dowell and Cantwell are comparable. Technically, there really is no competition, Dowell is far, far better. Cantwell brings more energy but in my opinion, not enough to make up for the fact Dowell has vastly superior technical ability. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mason 47 874 Posted January 22 1 hour ago, Petriix said: That's because it's not really a reserve player but a potential £15m player who has been left in the reserves due to some poor decisions from multiple parties. I was pretty surprised that Todd wasn't given a single minute under Wagner so would assume that the decision about his place in the squad was already made. It's a shame, but we can all move on. I never really saw Cantwell and Dowell as competing over one place. Todd would be on the left of the attacking midfield three. It's Onel who's claimed that particular berth and has done very well. I'll never understand the vitriol towards him. I hope he goes on to prove a lot of people wrong. By moving to such a big club he already has. I have a suspicion that we'll see him in the Premier League again in the not too distant future. Time will tell. Not necessarily that they would be competing, it's more a comparison of the last 18 months for what I see as very similar players, physically and technically. The move to 4-3-3, wonky change in style, botched defensive recruitment and subsequent hiring of Dean Smith are disadvantages that affected Cantwell and Dowell equally. The latter however has considerably more appearances, goals and assists for us since then; this is despite there being zero footballing or financial advantage to Cantwell not playing. Your mileage may vary as to why Norwich City seemingly chose this 'zero advantages' route. I think if you ask 10 Norwich fans what happened with Todd you'll get 10 different stories. Personally I just want the move to get rubber stamped and over with Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kenfoggo 165 Posted January 23 Enough already! He has no future at Norwich. Move him on like any other asset that no longer works for you. Get him off the payroll and let him and his agent be somebody else’s problem. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Petriix 2,028 Posted January 23 17 hours ago, Mason 47 said: The move to 4-3-3, wonky change in style, botched defensive recruitment and subsequent hiring of Dean Smith are disadvantages that affected Cantwell and Dowell equally. The latter however has considerably more appearances, goals and assists for us since then; Interesting that you should say that... They currently have the same number of starts and substitute appearances this season with Todd having played 97 more minutes. Prior to Wagner's arrival Dowell had 1 goal and 2 assists. Todd created 2 great chances against Stoke which should have been assists so I think you're incorrect in your assessment. Obviously we don't know what's gone on behind the scenes but, on the surface, it's strange that one was given the chance while the other wasn't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canarybubbles 1,172 Posted January 23 1 hour ago, Petriix said: Interesting that you should say that... They currently have the same number of starts and substitute appearances this season with Todd having played 97 more minutes. Prior to Wagner's arrival Dowell had 1 goal and 2 assists. Todd created 2 great chances against Stoke which should have been assists so I think you're incorrect in your assessment. Obviously we don't know what's gone on behind the scenes but, on the surface, it's strange that one was given the chance while the other wasn't. I don't find it strange. One had made it clear that he wanted away from the club and one hadn't. Who would you give the opportunity to? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mason 47 874 Posted January 23 1 hour ago, Petriix said: Interesting that you should say that... They currently have the same number of starts and substitute appearances this season with Todd having played 97 more minutes. Prior to Wagner's arrival Dowell had 1 goal and 2 assists. Todd created 2 great chances against Stoke which should have been assists so I think you're incorrect in your assessment. Obviously we don't know what's gone on behind the scenes but, on the surface, it's strange that one was given the chance while the other wasn't. I was including the season prior also, as this is when it all seemed to start unravelling. As you say, it's strange to see one given the opportunity and the other not; my conclusion is that, all things being equal (and TC/ KD being very similar players to my mind) that Todd must have made himself essentially unplayable. There are no advantages to having him sat on his **** at home, and arguably it actually causes damage to the 'promote youth and elevate' image of the club and to our incoming finances (both relatively business-critical). We wouldn't have destructed a valuable asset on a whim. Either way, hopefully the transfer is confirmed soon and we can all move on. Until the inevitable tell-all interview in May on Sky, of course 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norfolkngood 505 Posted January 23 4 hours ago, Mason 47 said: Either way, hopefully the transfer is confirmed soon and we can all move on. Until the inevitable tell-all interview in May on Sky, of course i have a Feeling we will hear the same old i used to have a Rangers shirt when i was growing up in Dereham stuff Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CANARYKING 532 Posted January 23 Taking a long time, only eight days to go, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dylanisabaddog 2,513 Posted January 23 4 minutes ago, CANARYKING said: Taking a long time, only eight days to go, Rangers have completed the signing of 47 year old Todd Cantwell.... 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norfolkngood 505 Posted January 23 (edited) 6 minutes ago, dylanisabaddog said: Rangers have completed the signing of 47 year old Todd Cantwell.... Waiting to see if Kings Lynn Bid before he signs Edited January 23 by norfolkngood Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheGunnShow 3,926 Posted January 23 1 minute ago, norfolkngood said: Waiting for to see if Kings Lynn Bid before he signs Dereham Town, surely? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norfolkngood 505 Posted January 23 1 minute ago, TheGunnShow said: Dereham Town, surely? i thought he would try a higher league first ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shefcanary 1,247 Posted January 23 23 minutes ago, dylanisabaddog said: Rangers have completed the signing of 47 year old Todd Cantwell.... Its going to take as long as its going to take Quagliarella to sign for us! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GodlyOtsemobor 1,150 Posted January 23 24 minutes ago, TheGunnShow said: Dereham Town, surely? I hear Sprowston lads under-16s are looking to bulk out their squad, maybe he can get a run out off the bench on Sundays. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peregrine Shorts 83 Posted January 23 confirmed.......at long last 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 7,561 Posted January 23 4 minutes ago, Peregrine Shorts said: confirmed.......at long last 4 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cambridgeshire canary 4,733 Posted January 23 Do get the feeling Rangers and their fans will far less patient and forgiving than we are. Good luck to him god knows he needs it 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canarybubbles 1,172 Posted January 23 Thank God for that, 23 pages on. Now can we all just forget about him, please? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canario 102 Posted January 23 Can we sign Quag now?? 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cambridgeshire canary 4,733 Posted January 23 And the internet responds.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alex_ncfc 534 Posted January 23 Thank f**k for that. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 3,797 Posted January 23 15 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said: And the internet responds.. No new thread? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorthCarolinaYellow 163 Posted January 23 Good riddance! They're plenty of evidence now, in my opinion, that Cantwell was a problem. The only part of this saga that saddens me is that Webber couldn't have sussed out Cantwell was never going to get in line and we missed out on £15-25m for him a few years back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peregrine Shorts 83 Posted January 23 the Dereham Diva has headed north Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Google Bot 1,748 Posted January 23 Sad day. Wish him well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorthCarolinaYellow 163 Posted January 23 I've said it before and I'll say it again ... I think Cantwell was very, very fortunate to notch 6 goals in that 2019-2020 PL campaign. I suspect he'll struggle to ever reach that level again, or perhaps even find much footing in the PL at all. I also suspect that Rangers/SPL is a bad fit for him and he's moved on elsewhere in a year. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 3,797 Posted January 23 (edited) 31 minutes ago, canarybubbles said: Thank God for that, 23 pages on. Now can we all just forget about him, please? I do feel that if wed supported him more, got behind him more, hed have outperformed anyone ,anywhere , and if we'd have appreciated the quality of Dean and let him improve Todd , like he did the rest of the squad, hed be goung to PSG for 55million, but we didn't cheer enough..... @TeemuVanBasten @nutty nigel €50 being transferrred in a mo. 1740. Done.... not sure how long it'll take Nuttyo but ive had confirmation of transfer. Edited January 23 by wcorkcanary 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
