Billy Gilmour and a tweet that aged well. Not.

[Ken Hairy 3,060]

Why is Billy Gilmours dad still knocking about on here with his absurd claims his son was our best midfielder last season? 

He's turd, and as I said last season he'll end up at Buckie Thistle or the like. 

[Graham Paddons Beard 2,064]

The scapegoats (quite correctly ) were identified as those responsible for recruiting playing and setting up for one of the most dreadful seasons I have ever seen. And the legacy is what we see this year at CR which is ,at best , an apathy . 
 

No one blamed Gilmour . But fans by the bucketload said he wasn’t good enough. And we got slaughtered for it . 
 

The purpose of the thread wasn’t to identify scapegoats . It was to remind us all of the narrative of the time . Gilmour was a class act amongst a turgid team that didn’t deserve to be in the Premier League  

Edited November 27, 2022 by Graham Paddons Beard

[TheDarkKnight 451]

England only have anchorman (Phillips, Henderson and Rice) and then a multitude of number 10s (Bellingham, Saka, Mount, Foden, Sterling, Rashford, etc)

This is why the likes of USA can dominate against England. You don't produce midfields who can pass a ****load and knit things together, eg Gavi, Pedri, De Jong, etc.

Billy Gilmour would walk into the England midfield.

People are free to sneer and chuckle all they like, but when a 19 year old Musah and the likes of Tyler Adams can dominate a midfield of Rice, Bellingham and Mount (a midfield which has the market price of £223m) then all bets are off.

[Graham Paddons Beard 2,064]

5 minutes ago, TheDarkKnight said:

 

Billy Gilmour would walk into the England midfield.

People are free to sneer and chuckle all they like. 

Sorry DK but a bloke that can’t get into the Brighton side isn’t “walking into the England” anything . I appreciate that football is all about opinion but that is a massive pile of cobblers. 

[TheDarkKnight 451]

12 minutes ago, Graham Paddons Beard said:

Sorry DK but a bloke that can’t get into the Brighton side isn’t “walking into the England” anything . I appreciate that football is all about opinion but that is a massive pile of cobblers. 

No apology needed. It's all about opinions. 

Rice and Phillips are the main double pivot, when fit. Brighton are above Leeds and West Ham. Both are incredibly limited.

Plus, McAllister is a starter for Argentina and Caicedo has been linked to Real Madrid and Liverpool.

I'm not bring biased. It's a stone cold fact that England don't produce midfielders. When they did (Carrick and Scholes), they were un-utilized.

[Graham Paddons Beard 2,064]

13 minutes ago, TheDarkKnight said:

No apology needed. It's all about opinions. 

Rice and Phillips are the main double pivot, when fit. Brighton are above Leeds and West Ham. Both are incredibly limited.

Plus, McAllister is a starter for Argentina and Caicedo has been linked to Real Madrid and Liverpool.

I'm not bring biased. It's a stone cold fact that England don't produce midfielders. When they did (Carrick and Scholes), they were un-utilized.

Fair enough .
 

Rice and Phillips are (when fit) mainstays in their teams and both will move on to bigger things 

 Billy is getting splinters  

 

Edited November 27, 2022 by Graham Paddons Beard

[TheDarkKnight 451]

3 minutes ago, Graham Paddons Beard said:

Fair enough .
 

Rice and Phillips are (when fit) mainstays in their teams and both will move on to bigger things 

 Billy is getting splinters  

 

Away from those two, who Is there for England? Legit question. Henderson is getting on in years. 

I've just checked the top 5 teams in the EPL. There's only 2 English midfielders: Willock and Longstaff. But when Newcastle start spending, those two are off.

People can sass me all they like (not you. You've been pleasant), but the aforementioned is a fact.

[NorthCarolinaYellow 186]

1 hour ago, TheDarkKnight said:

Billy Gilmour would walk into the England midfield.

 

During drinks break with a bottle of Lucozade?

[TheDarkKnight 451]

2 minutes ago, NorthCarolinaYellow said:

 

During drinks break with a bottle of Lucozade?

No. Irn Bru.

[Newtopia 480]

20 minutes ago, TheDarkKnight said:

Away from those two, who Is there for England? Legit question. Henderson is getting on in years. 

I've just checked the top 5 teams in the EPL. There's only 2 English midfielders: Willock and Longstaff. But when Newcastle start spending, those two are off.

People can sass me all they like (not you. You've been pleasant), but the aforementioned is a fact.

I agree we (England) have a lack of midfielders who are comfortable receiving the ball under pressure, and progressing the ball.

Bellingham the one to come through who can do it all, you can then look to see Harvey Elliott, Gallagher, and Jacob Ramsey plus of course Ollie Skipp.  Hopefully they will be around the squad for the next competition,

I thought Gilmour was poor at NCFC, it is true to say it was not all his fault equally he clearly did not grasp the opportunity.  At Brighton he is not getting close to the first team, perhaps that will change although the last I heard he might be heading out on loan.

[TheDarkKnight 451]

8 minutes ago, Newtopia said:

I agree we (England) have a lack of midfielders who are comfortable receiving the ball under pressure, and progressing the ball.

Bellingham the one to come through who can do it all, you can then look to see Harvey Elliott, Gallagher, and Jacob Ramsey plus of course Ollie Skipp.  Hopefully they will be around the squad for the next competition,

I thought Gilmour was poor at NCFC, it is true to say it was not all his fault equally he clearly did not grasp the opportunity.  At Brighton he is not getting close to the first team, perhaps that will change although the last I heard he might be heading out on loan.

It's a strange one. For all the midfields that English academies produce, they only seem to produce no 10's.

Didn't Southgate call Bellingham "a pressing number 10"? I remember Gascoigne, Robson, Scholes and Carrick at the same age as Bellingham. I'm not sure Bellingham will emulate any of those.

Gallagher and Ramsey are two more number 10s. Skipp is an anchorman (number 6)?

Yeah. He is getting off the bench a few times, but from a Scotland perspective I'm just frustrated. I just want him playing football He's at an age where he needs matches.

I mean, have you ever heard of a player moving to a club and then the manager trading places with him? Objectively, it's insane.

[Ken Hairy 3,060]

2 hours ago, TheDarkKnight said:

 

Billy Gilmour would walk into the England midfield.

Literally the dumbest comment I've ever seen posted on the whole Internet.....EVER

[TheDarkKnight 451]

1 minute ago, Ken Hairy said:

Literally the dumbest comment I've ever seen posted on the whole Internet.....EVER

Do you remember being beaten 0-4 at home to Hungary? How about when you went 6 games without a win leading up to the World Cup?

How about the 0-0 with USA when Tyler Adams stomped all over Bellingham, Rice and Mount?

Long gone are the days of Carrick and Scholes and Gascoigne and Robson.

A few injuries and England could have a midfield of Longstaff and Willock. Not frightening.

[kirku 1,316]

2 hours ago, TheDarkKnight said:

Billy Gilmour would walk into the England midfield.

I thought the "Brian Laudrup would be the most expensive player in the world" comment was pretty odd but this is absolutely insane.

 

[The Real Buh 2,732]

Im sorry, but Billy Gilmour is not a footballer

[TheDarkKnight 451]

Double post.

Edited November 27, 2022 by TheDarkKnight

[TheDarkKnight 451]

41 minutes ago, TheDarkKnight said:

Do you remember being beaten 0-4 at home to Hungary? How about when you went 6 games without a win leading up to the World Cup?

How about the 0-0 with USA when Tyler Adams stomped all over Bellingham, Rice and Mount?

Long gone are the days of Carrick and Scholes and Gascoigne and Robson.

A few injuries and England could have a midfield of Longstaff and Willock. Not frightening.

Urgh. Blame my phone for miss-replying.

Edited November 27, 2022 by TheDarkKnight

[kirku 1,316]

Have you been drinking?

[TheDarkKnight 451]

Just now, kirku said:

Have you been drinking?

You aren't actually telling why I'm wrong. Just making quips.

 

[kirku 1,316]

Just now, TheDarkKnight said:

You aren't actually telling why I'm wrong. Just making quips.

 

There's no point in trying to discuss anything rationally with someone who claimed that Billy Gilmour would walk into England's midfield or that they're "a few" injuries away from playing Willock and Longstaff

[TheDarkKnight 451]

21 minutes ago, kirku said:

I thought the "Brian Laudrup would be the most expensive player in the world" comment was pretty odd but this is absolutely insane.

 

Your entire midfield was dominated by a Leeds  United player.

In a world were Jadon Sancho Is worth £70? And Declan Rice has a £100m tag on his head, then yeah.

Bear in mind that Haaland would go for £500m. 

Put all that into consideration, then yes, Laudrup (and Michael) would easily be £200m players.

If you want to judge players of other generations then we would be here all day. God knows what Maradona and Zidane would be worth. 

[Indy 2,837]

Oh dear, Gilmour would walk into the England midfield! I’ll be reading that McLean would also walk into that midfield! Well I suppose we can all have opinions but I can’t say I’ve seen anything from Gilmour to say he’d walk into any team, he’s struggling to break into the Brighton side, having to go out on loan after being sold by Chelsea, must say something about his limited talents. But each to their own views and as I’ve said on many occasions we all see things differently and form opinions based on our own views and expectations.

[TheDarkKnight 451]

Just now, kirku said:

There's no point in trying to discuss anything rationally with someone who claimed that Billy Gilmour would walk into England's midfield or that they're "a few" injuries away from playing Willock and Longstaff

Fine.

Take out Rice and Phillips.

Who, like-for-lke, would replace them?

Only 2 English midfielders (number 8s) are starters for top 5 EPL teams 

[TheDarkKnight 451]

3 minutes ago, Indy said:

Oh dear, Gilmour would walk into the England midfield! I’ll be reading that McLean would also walk into that midfield! Well I suppose we can all have opinions but I can’t say I’ve seen anything from Gilmour to say he’d walk into any team, he’s struggling to break into the Brighton side, having to go out on loan after being sold by Chelsea, must say something about his limited talents. But each to their own views and as I’ve said on many occasions we all see things differently and form opinions based on our own views and expectations.

In fairness, the Brighton duo of McAllister and Caisedo would walk into most EPL teams.

And Brighton are 7th. They're hardly struggling. 

And no. McLean is atrocious. 

Edited November 27, 2022 by TheDarkKnight

[Indy 2,837]

As a question but what position is best for Gilmour? He’s not great at tackling, not great with heading so holding midfielder is not for him, he’s not creating much and certainly not catching they eye with any pace, so box to box is questionable, his scoring record and assists are low too, so he’s not really a number 10. Where would you play Gilmour?

[Indy 2,837]

3 minutes ago, TheDarkKnight said:

In fairness, the Brighton duo of McAllister and Caisedo would walk into most EPL teams.

And Brighton are 7th. They're hardly struggling. 

And no. McLean is atrocious. 

I’m not questioning the midfield of Brighton, but two players don’t make up the Brighton midfield, he should be able to push them, that’s why I asked the question where to play Gilmour?

He’s probably a decent enough player with a run of games with good players around him, but I don’t see him as a game changer or a stalwart any premiership team needs. He needs to up his game massively to get to that point. He’s now 21 and will be 22 in June, should really by now be pushing as a starter.

[TheDarkKnight 451]

1 minute ago, Indy said:

As a question but what position is best for Gilmour? He’s not great at tackling, not great with heading so holding midfielder is not for him, he’s not creating much and certainly not catching they eye with any pace, so box to box is questionable, his scoring record and assists are low too, so he’s not really a number 10. Where would you play Gilmour?

Great question. 

The major thing? No one knows. He hasn't really played enough.

I wouldn't trust him as an anchorman, as I don't think he's defensively good enough.

Honestly, I don't know. Probably as a roaming number 8 where he can knit things together and be a metronome. It's not a sexy role, but every team needs at least one. His ball retention is probably his strongest asset and his counter press.

[kirku 1,316]

3 minutes ago, TheDarkKnight said:

Fine.

Take out Rice and Phillips.

Who, like-for-lke, would replace them?

Only 2 English midfielders (number 8s) are starters for top 5 EPL teams 

Bellingham, Henderson, Ward-Prowse, Loftus-Cheek, Dier, Jones, Skipp, Ramsey, Reed, James. 

Willock is quite a decent young player.

Does "a few" mean over 13?

[kirku 1,316]

1 minute ago, TheDarkKnight said:

Great question. 

The major thing? No one knows. He hasn't really played enough.

I wouldn't trust him as an anchorman, as I don't think he's defensively good enough.

Honestly, I don't know. Probably as a roaming number 8 where he can knit things together and be a metronome. It's not a sexy role, but every team needs at least one. His ball retention is probably his strongest asset and his counter press.

"No one knows (his best position). He hasn't really played enough. I wouldn't trust him as an anchorman, as I don't think he's defensively good enough."

England are currently the fifth highest ranked side in the world and yet...

"He'd walk into England's midfield"

You couldn't make up this level of mental gymnastics.

[Indy 2,837]

2 minutes ago, kirku said:

Bellingham, Henderson, Ward-Prowse, Loftus-Cheek, Dier, Jones, Skipp, Ramsey, Reed, James. 

Willock is quite a decent young player.

Does "a few" mean over 13?

To be honest you can add young Harvey Elliot he’s having an outstanding season and will be pushing for a call up soon.