****The Official Lapps Match Thread v Middlesbro (h/L) ****

[GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 1,735]

Whatever the opposite of a tactical masterclass is...that 2nd half was it. 

If Pukki wasnt injured, he should be sacked for subbing him after 65 mins with the game still in the balance

[Robert N. LiM 4,243]

Just now, chicken said:

That's what I mean about this squad never being convincing defensively, not just in our defensive players but as a team. We put a lot of emphasis on keeping the ball. But as we have seen over several seasons, good teams only need 30% of the ball to do something with it. You can "manage" teams when you don't have the ball. We haven't been good at that for years, IMHO. 

Yes, would agree with that. It took too long to dawn on me that our improved defensive stats in DF's second title win were much more to do with us keeping the ball so well rather than actually being better without the ball (though Skipp definitely helped us in this regard). I actually think we are probably a bit better without the ball under Smith than we were under Farke (thought we defended our box ok today, and Hayden is definitely adding something) but conversely we are much worse at keeping it.

[GodlyOtsemobor 2,248]

Jesus..

Even Dyche would be a better bet then Smith. 

Yes his football is usually shïte, but at least he'd inject some fight and passion, you never know. Could be worse (and probably is at the minute anyway) 

Edited November 12, 2022 by GodlyOtsemobor

[chicken 2,604]

6 minutes ago, Virtual reality said:

Robins 

Martin

Knutson

Hasenhutti

Bielsa

Do your job Webber 

 

Bielsa is being linked with Bournemouth. 

Hasenhüttl has just left Southampton for them being in the relegation zone. And folks on here are lynching the current manager for being a failure at his last club and being appointed too soon after being sacked from that position... Good manager but I suspect he'll be looking for a job in a top tier, he has done a good job with a Southampton side that has always been pushing off relegation and then had key players sold on. Poor signings such as Armstrong, has cost them IMHO. 

Martin/Robins... In a way I'd be a bit concerned about Robins, if he comes in, it would be with the following season in mind. I say that because he is a rear guard action. As in, he is used to having little to no resources. Some might suggest he is a specialist in bringing a team together to be a sum more than it's parts... something we definitely need, but he remains to be relatively unproven with working with some funds, with playing attacking football, because his sides have needed to be more cautious.

Martin, I feel, needs to still cut his teeth, he's doing well but is still early on in his managerial career. If he comes here to soon, and it doesn't work quickly, all of those Martin boo boys will be claiming it's one of those ex player appointments, he's a Delia "yes man" etc. 

Knutson - no idea. 

 

[Chichcan 147]

There's no way Dyche would come here

He'll be picked up by some lower Prem team

[Graham Paddons Beard 2,424]

13 minutes ago, hogesar said:

Started really well, created good chances then the inevitable drop in levels that's going on for far too long.

Hoggy- the “inevitable” drop was of huge magnitude today . Worse this season. 
 

We overran mid field in the first period and had two central-ish forward players . We turned the Boro defence round and created chances . 
 

Carrick - a manager for 5 mins then changes things. They attack frequently down our left by playing in behind McCullum played midfield higher and allowed Howson the freedom of Carrow Road . 
 

Our one dimensional play is encapsulated by taking off Sara and bringing on Nunez who is asked to make the same runs off Aarons . 
 

That was the most inept management performance I’ve seen for years . Outthought but a new manager . 
 

Personally I was relieved when the ref accused Boro of time wasting . Those sat around me were happy to let them as we could all see what was going to happen. 
 

It will take more than a shïte bit of PR to get us out of this. Fans were great today . Had the stuffing knocked out of us by what we saw. 

[chicken 2,604]

5 minutes ago, Robert N. LiM said:

Yes, would agree with that. It took too long to dawn on me that our improved defensive stats in DF's second title win were much more to do with us keeping the ball so well rather than actually being better without the ball (though Skipp definitely helped us in this regard). I actually think we are probably a bit better without the ball under Smith than we were under Farke (thought we defended our box ok today, and Hayden is definitely adding something) but conversely we are much worse at keeping it.

Yup, and you look at the players we lost, for good reasons and bad... Stiepermann, Vrancic, Buendia, Skipp in forward positions as constants for a good couple of seasons. Even the likes of Trybull, Leitner in my view are better than say Sorensen. Also Tettey. 

It's been a huge shift. We have struggled to find the players that can do both consistently and effectively. None last season impressed enough really, though I felt Lees-Melou did when played in a more familiar position to him on the pitch.

We're in transition, and will continue to be unless we bounce back again IMHO. As in we will shed further players from that period in the likes of Cantwell, Pukki, McLean etc who all do well with the ball at feet - though some like to argue that.

That's what worries me in a sense. We don't seem to be convincing on either side of the game, improved on one side, but lacking in the other. It's clear to me that Sara and Nunez were intended to bring that in to our side, and they have both shown it in flashes. They need time though... and thus we go back to the issue we have had for a good couple of seasons now. How much time can we afford to give players, especially in the championship.

Thus comes the argument for selling Buendia, Cantwell etc the season before we bounced back up and accepted we may not do it at the first time of asking but looking at reinvesting that money at that level and building a squad that could be together for min 2-3 seasons again, like the first built under Webber and Farke. Instead we went up knowing many of that squad would not be up for it again. 

[hogesar 9,618]

2 minutes ago, Graham Paddons Beard said:

Hoggy- the “inevitable” drop was of huge magnitude today . Worse this season. 
 

We overran mid field in the first period and had two central-ish forward players . We turned the Boro defence round and created chances . 
 

Carrick - a manager for 5 mins then changes things. They attack frequently down our left by playing in behind McCullum played midfield higher and allowed Howson the freedom of Carrow Road . 
 

Our one dimensional play is encapsulated by taking off Sara and bringing on Nunez who is asked to make the same runs off Aarons . 
 

That was the most inept management performance I’ve seen for years . Outthought but a new manager . 
 

Personally I was relieved when the ref accused Boro of time wasting . Those sat around me were happy to let them as we could all see what was going to happen. 
 

It will take more than a shïte bit of PR to get us out of this. Fans were great today . Had the stuffing knocked out of us by what we saw. 

Little to disagree with. 

We certainly handed control to boro with concerning ease. 

Carrick changed it after about 25 minutes and we stopped creating, but we didn't look in danger. They score the first goal and the entire team is in panic mode, at this point there has to be a better mentality drilled into them by the coaching team.

[Leedscanary 337]

Gary O’Neill. 
 

Not a big enough name for Bournemouth so his great interim work will go un-noticed. 
 

I think he’d do a good job with this bunch of players. 

[chicken 2,604]

4 minutes ago, Graham Paddons Beard said:

Hoggy- the “inevitable” drop was of huge magnitude today . Worse this season. 
 

We overran mid field in the first period and had two central-ish forward players . We turned the Boro defence round and created chances . 
 

Carrick - a manager for 5 mins then changes things. They attack frequently down our left by playing in behind McCullum played midfield higher and allowed Howson the freedom of Carrow Road . 
 

Our one dimensional play is encapsulated by taking off Sara and bringing on Nunez who is asked to make the same runs off Aarons . 
 

That was the most inept management performance I’ve seen for years . Outthought but a new manager . 
 

Personally I was relieved when the ref accused Boro of time wasting . Those sat around me were happy to let them as we could all see what was going to happen. 
 

It will take more than a shïte bit of PR to get us out of this. Fans were great today . Had the stuffing knocked out of us by what we saw. 

Important to point out that Carrick, whilst not hugely experienced as a manager, has taken his time in becoming one. He hasn't rushed into it, he's been an assistant coach, working under Mourinho, Solskjær since 2018. The transition can  be a risk. Grant was a relatively successful coach before being given his break with us, it didn't work out. To some degree, the same could be said of Neil Adams.

However, he has learnt from great managers, and has played under great managers. He's not a work experience kid, he'll have a good understanding of the game, he certainly played with a great understanding of the game.

[chicken 2,604]

4 minutes ago, Leedscanary said:

Gary O’Neill. 
 

Not a big enough name for Bournemouth so his great interim work will go un-noticed. 
 

I think he’d do a good job with this bunch of players. 

Not sure he'd be wanted here... he's slagged us off a fair amount since leaving... 

[Graham Paddons Beard 2,424]

2 minutes ago, chicken said:

Important to point out that Carrick, whilst not hugely experienced as a manager, has taken his time in becoming one. He hasn't rushed into it, he's been an assistant coach, working under Mourinho, Solskjær since 2018. The transition can  be a risk. Grant was a relatively successful coach before being given his break with us, it didn't work out. To some degree, the same could be said of Neil Adams.

However, he has learnt from great managers, and has played under great managers. He's not a work experience kid, he'll have a good understanding of the game, he certainly played with a great understanding of the game.

Yup. Thanks for pointing that out Chicken. Up until today I had no idea who Michael Carrick was . I thought he was a plumber . 

[Virtual reality 706]

16 minutes ago, chicken said:

Bielsa is being linked with Bournemouth. 

Hasenhüttl has just left Southampton for them being in the relegation zone. And folks on here are lynching the current manager for being a failure at his last club and being appointed too soon after being sacked from that position... Good manager but I suspect he'll be looking for a job in a top tier, he has done a good job with a Southampton side that has always been pushing off relegation and then had key players sold on. Poor signings such as Armstrong, has cost them IMHO. 

Martin/Robins... In a way I'd be a bit concerned about Robins, if he comes in, it would be with the following season in mind. I say that because he is a rear guard action. As in, he is used to having little to no resources. Some might suggest he is a specialist in bringing a team together to be a sum more than it's parts... something we definitely need, but he remains to be relatively unproven with working with some funds, with playing attacking football, because his sides have needed to be more cautious.

Martin, I feel, needs to still cut his teeth, he's doing well but is still early on in his managerial career. If he comes here to soon, and it doesn't work quickly, all of those Martin boo boys will be claiming it's one of those ex player appointments, he's a Delia "yes man" etc. 

Knutson - no idea. 

 

I doubt we could get Bielsa but if you don’t ask…

I put Hasenhutti In purely on the reports that he was on our 3 man shortlist when we sacked Farke. He’s just been sacked and Webber has previous 

The others on the list should be achievable 

[Jim Smith 2,314]

I’ve had enough. I just can’t see this coaching staff getting this side to perform consistently at the level they are capable of. Good for 15 minutes today and then they just stopped, played with zero intensity and let Boro back into the game.

When we do play well it’s just a case of our better players doing their thing. There is no cohesion, consistency, shape or style to our play. Fed up with it. Needs a change now.

[Ken Hairy 3,760]

So, I'm presuming today was another ****show? I didn't go or watch at all today as I just couldn't be bothered being honest. Took my daughter roller skating instead, which was equally shambolic it seems 😂

[Capt. Pants 4,196]

The most inept manager we've had since Roeder. That 2nd half was a fcuking  disgrace. I want him gone. Only Binner fans would want him in the job now. Ged rid now!

[chicken 2,604]

1 hour ago, Graham Paddons Beard said:

Yup. Thanks for pointing that out Chicken. Up until today I had no idea who Michael Carrick was . I thought he was a plumber . 

Wasn't questioning whether you knew who he was or not, but you pretty much suggested he didn't have much experience or know what he was doing and yet managed to change a game. 

[Capt. Pants 4,196]

So we ended up with a strike force of Hugill and Hanley! How has it come to this? Smith out!

[Hank shoots Skyler 2,094]

2 hours ago, canarydan23 said:

You've said this plenty of times and plenty of times people have replied with several superior alternatives.  Do you just ignore the replies?

Fairly sure that’s exactly what he does 

[The Real Buh 3,423]

5 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said:

So we ended up with a strike force of Hugill and Hanley! How has it come to this? Smith out!

It’s the fans fault of course

[The Bristol Nest 513]

The fans lost the game for us. Did we lose? I wasn't watching.

Wake me up when the real Norwich come back.

[TheBaldOne66 681]

10 hours ago, Virtual reality said:

We were linked with Hasenhutti when we appointment Smith as it was said then that Webber was a big admirer. He was sacked recently, ring any bells….

Knutson manages a team in the Norwegian league and he’s currently 18 points off top spot. Who knows if he could be tempted to take on a job to get us into the PL but he obviously hasn’t had any actual PL offers.

It seems it’s you that suffers with little Norwich mentality….

https://www.givemesport.com/1782876-southampton-news-saints-stance-on-ralph-hasenhuttl-links-with-norwich-aston-villa

You truly think our board would approach these? 
 

Bielsa is in line for Bournemouth, Hassenhutl will go back to Europe no doubt and Knutson wouldn’t give up a chance for European football to come here would he?

Its nothing to do with me having little old Norwich syndrome at all, it’s called realism and knowing what our boards record for appointments is like.

FFS, I’d love one of those three to be here but the likelihood is zero, we were turned down by golden boy Frank apparently before Smith got the job, I wonder why he turned it down? Something to do with finances maybe? That’s the truth of the matter, these guys would want a bigger budget and that won’t happen with the current way the clubs run, so as I said it’s realism nothing else.

[TheBaldOne66 681]

10 hours ago, chicken said:

Important to point out that Carrick, whilst not hugely experienced as a manager, has taken his time in becoming one. He hasn't rushed into it, he's been an assistant coach, working under Mourinho, Solskjær since 2018. The transition can  be a risk. Grant was a relatively successful coach before being given his break with us, it didn't work out. To some degree, the same could be said of Neil Adams.

However, he has learnt from great managers, and has played under great managers. He's not a work experience kid, he'll have a good understanding of the game, he certainly played with a great understanding of the game.

It’s also coming to fruition with Arteta, learnt off Pep and now has Arsenal top of the EPL.

Become an assistant to a top coach and learn your trade or learn in the lower leagues, don’t automatically assume great players make good managers, Gerrard and Lampard are great examples of this!

[Midlands Yellow 3,939]

16 hours ago, chicken said:

Bielsa is being linked with Bournemouth. 

Hasenhüttl has just left Southampton for them being in the relegation zone. And folks on here are lynching the current manager for being a failure at his last club and being appointed too soon after being sacked from that position... Good manager but I suspect he'll be looking for a job in a top tier, he has done a good job with a Southampton side that has always been pushing off relegation and then had key players sold on. Poor signings such as Armstrong, has cost them IMHO. 

Martin/Robins... In a way I'd be a bit concerned about Robins, if he comes in, it would be with the following season in mind. I say that because he is a rear guard action. As in, he is used to having little to no resources. Some might suggest he is a specialist in bringing a team together to be a sum more than it's parts... something we definitely need, but he remains to be relatively unproven with working with some funds, with playing attacking football, because his sides have needed to be more cautious.

Martin, I feel, needs to still cut his teeth, he's doing well but is still early on in his managerial career. If he comes here to soon, and it doesn't work quickly, all of those Martin boo boys will be claiming it's one of those ex player appointments, he's a Delia "yes man" etc. 

Knutson - no idea. 

 

Mark Robins assistant Adi Viveash is a vital cog in Coventry’s success. Doesn’t suffer fools and is very clever on the training pitch. 

[......and Smith must score. 1,336]

Just six pages on a match day thread with most posts wanting the manager out ( which I agree with for what it’s worth ) sums up the apathy at our football club right now.

At least the American guy was there to see the full horror and I’m desperately hoping he’s developed enough influence for the Board to agree that this can’t continue.