hogesar 9,618 Posted October 29, 2022 Confused me. He had done nothing second half. Cantwell and Nunez came on and changed the game. Maybe managers do know better than fans 😉 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr.Carrow 376 Posted October 29, 2022 Sadly many fans were waiting for any excuse to boo. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary Jedi 573 Posted October 29, 2022 Ran his heart out for 60 odd mins so probably the right call Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Creedence Clearwater Couto 1,251 Posted October 29, 2022 4 minutes ago, hogesar said: Confused me. He had done nothing second half. Cantwell and Nunez came on and changed the game. Maybe managers do know better than fans 😉 You can’t help a dig at Norwich fans, can you! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KeiranShikari 1,409 Posted October 29, 2022 I get that football is mostly about cult of personality these days but Hernandez is really not a good footballer. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Petriix 2,834 Posted October 29, 2022 He was our best player in the first half and the game was drifting away from us at that point so it's understandable. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Don’t be Krul 398 Posted October 29, 2022 1 minute ago, KeiranShikari said: I get that football is mostly about cult of personality these days but Hernandez is really not a good footballer. I'm inclined to agree Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,618 Posted October 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, Creedence Clearwater Couto said: You can’t help a dig at Norwich fans, can you! I said maybe and winked. We know who booed from the reactions to my post 🙃 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted October 29, 2022 5 minutes ago, Mr.Carrow said: Sadly many fans were waiting for any excuse to boo. And the first 70 minutes gave them every chance. Its easy to argue inspired substitutions but its also easy to say they were made out of necessity. They worked is all that matters and proved to the coach that he has the talent at his disposal. Just let them play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,618 Posted October 29, 2022 1 minute ago, Petriix said: He was our best player in the first half and the game was drifting away from us at that point so it's understandable. He dragged us up the pitch first half. He was good and fair play to him. But he couldn't get into the game at all second half and the substitutions not only made sense on paper but in reality drastically changed the game. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
littleyellowbirdie 2,510 Posted October 29, 2022 9 minutes ago, hogesar said: Confused me. He had done nothing second half. Cantwell and Nunez came on and changed the game. Maybe managers do know better than fans 😉 The problem with Nunez is that he's so fun to watch, even if he is totally ineffective. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Virtual reality 706 Posted October 29, 2022 Not that hard to work out is it? Smith has pretty much lost a lot of fans now. It will take far more than a home win against Stoke to win them back Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Petriix 2,834 Posted October 29, 2022 1 minute ago, hogesar said: He dragged us up the pitch first half. He was good and fair play to him. But he couldn't get into the game at all second half and the substitutions not only made sense on paper but in reality drastically changed the game. I thought he linked up well with McCallum a few times in the second half and was very unlucky with the ball apparently just crossing the line when he was away. But, yes, bringing Cantwell on was the right move. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted October 29, 2022 4 minutes ago, KeiranShikari said: I get that football is mostly about cult of personality these days but Hernandez is really not a good footballer. I listened to Mick McCarthy commenting on the WBA v Blades match. I am a bit of an admirer of his and don't believe he is the donkey so many of our biased supporters think he is. He talks so much sense at times. He queried why strikers are so shallow in the box for crosses. And the WBA strikers were. So I watched Teemu and he was the same. Rather than get six yards from goal, he was 12 and made it harder for Onel to pick him out. I don't think Onel is the answer by the way but I can see why some of his crosses appear to be poor. Beckham used to say he put it in the box and it was up to the strikers to get on the end of them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KeiranShikari 1,409 Posted October 29, 2022 1 minute ago, keelansgrandad said: I listened to Mick McCarthy commenting on the WBA v Blades match. I am a bit of an admirer of his and don't believe he is the donkey so many of our biased supporters think he is. He talks so much sense at times. He queried why strikers are so shallow in the box for crosses. And the WBA strikers were. So I watched Teemu and he was the same. Rather than get six yards from goal, he was 12 and made it harder for Onel to pick him out. I don't think Onel is the answer by the way but I can see why some of his crosses appear to be poor. Beckham used to say he put it in the box and it was up to the strikers to get on the end of them. Not a slight on Onel because it can be valuable but I don't believe he thinks that much about his crosses. I think he just plays on pure instinct. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Van wink 2,994 Posted October 29, 2022 Subs completely changed the game, great leadership from Todd on the field and all of a sudden players wanting the ball. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
city4eva 207 Posted October 29, 2022 Was absolutely the right call to take Onel off, shocking reaction from some in the Barclay and Snakepit 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt. Pants 4,195 Posted October 29, 2022 I thought we were much better when Hayden went off. Bossed the midfield. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AJ 1,218 Posted October 29, 2022 Played well but with limited end product as usual. Was a little annoying to see him taken off when he was our best outlet up until that point, but Ironically the subs won us the game Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt. Pants 4,195 Posted October 29, 2022 Biggest cheer of the day when Dowell went off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ken Hairy 3,759 Posted October 29, 2022 I agree, think it's well documented I'm no Smith fan however this substitution was obvious 🤷 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 3,777 Posted October 29, 2022 (edited) I think it's because Hernandez is rated far higher than his ability because he's a cult hero. As soon as an unpopular coach subs a popular player, there'll be grumbles. I was thinking at the time that Cantwell for Hernandez looked an obvious change, although I'll admit that I thought Nuñez for Hayden was an odd one as the midfield looked like it would be a bit lightweight as we were holding on to a 1-0 lead. Edited October 29, 2022 by Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,618 Posted October 29, 2022 Just now, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said: I think it's because Hernandez is rated far higher than his ability because he's a cult hero. As soon as an unpopular coach subs a popular player, there'll be grumbles. I was thinking at the time that Cantwell for Hernandez looked an obvious change, although I'll admit that I Nuñez for Hayden was an odd one as the midfield looked like it would be a bit lightweight as we were holding on to a 1-0 lead. Yeah thats fair. One thing I'm happy to see is Smith not afraid to make changes that he knows the fans won't react well to. There's been times managers have been under pressure and it's felt like they've made changes just to keep the fans on side a bit longer. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,509 Posted October 29, 2022 I can understand why there were boos when Hernandez went off. He's a fans favourite at games and we love him. Maybe the coaches in the South stand don't love him but they never get excited about anything anyway. He runs down the wing and he'll do for me👍💛⚽💚 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yellowrider120 761 Posted October 29, 2022 2 hours ago, hogesar said: He dragged us up the pitch first half. He was good and fair play to him. But he couldn't get into the game at all second half and the substitutions not only made sense on paper but in reality drastically changed the game. Agreed. The fans have made Onel akin to a God so when a manager most of us don't like and with the poor standard of our performance for 70 mins, the natives were always going to show displeasure at their hero being removed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,509 Posted October 29, 2022 22 minutes ago, yellowrider120 said: Agreed. The fans have made Onel akin to a God so when a manager most of us don't like and with the poor standard of our performance for 70 mins, the natives were always going to show displeasure at their hero being removed. Criticising fans is becoming an epidemic... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,618 Posted October 29, 2022 42 minutes ago, nutty nigel said: I can understand why there were boos when Hernandez went off. He's a fans favourite at games and we love him. Maybe the coaches in the South stand don't love him but they never get excited about anything anyway. He runs down the wing and he'll do for me👍💛⚽💚 Yeah he's a great guy and puts in a shift, and on top of that played well in the first half. He drifted in the second half though and if fans think because he's a favourite he should never be subject to performance-related decisions then there's something wrong.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,509 Posted October 29, 2022 Just now, hogesar said: Yeah he's a great guy and puts in a shift, and on top of that played well in the first half. He drifted in the second half though and if fans think because he's a favourite he should never be subject to performance-related decisions then there's something wrong.. I don't think fans think like that. It's just that with Onel going off the pitch the potential for something happening to be excited about had been reduced. As it happened the subs changed the game and the substitutions were justified. That doesn't make the fans reactions wrong. Players who are exciting, love the club and love the fans are rare these days. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Monty13 2,229 Posted October 29, 2022 5 hours ago, hogesar said: Confused me. He had done nothing second half. Cantwell and Nunez came on and changed the game. Maybe managers do know better than fans 😉 Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Onel was pretty much the only one up to that point who looked like he was trying to make something happen. Yes it was the right sub, but I can understand the crowds frustration given what we’d seen up to that point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TeemuVanBasten 3,327 Posted October 29, 2022 He had simply run out of steam. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites