Chelsea talking to Webber

[littleyellowbirdie 2,547]

18 hours ago, Graham Paddons Beard said:

It’s a shame in some ways as SW could have used the similar spin he used on us . You know . How they pïssed all of Abramovich’s money up the wall on Lukaku and Stewie saved Chelsea by selling Mason Mount . 
 

PS can’t wait to hear Webbers side of this. It’ll be worth waiting for ….

I must have missed the bit where Chelsea was on the brink of administration during Abramovich's tenure.

[yellow_belly 226]

Why don’t we just offload Stu? He doesn’t want to be here. Best for all parties.

I am guessing that Stu and Zoe will be replaced once the Americans take over in the (near) future.

I can’t wait for the beginning of the next chapter because recently is is just meh 🫤 

[yellow_belly 226]

Ps Stu Webber was never, realistically, going to get the Chelsea job. It was more likely that Russell Martin was going to get the Brighton job. 

[Mello Yello 2,289]

"Hey all, I can see our Stu's still sat in the Directors Box....It looks like he didn't get the Chelsea job then"....

[horsefly 4,298]

3 hours ago, Big Vince said:

Having a top 26 ambition is simply not good enough. It means that you casually accept relegation which is what we have seen for many years now. The ambition should be top 17 so that there is more pressure to succeed. I am afraid that at Norwich City acceptance of failure has become too ingrained and it starts with the Socialists and is seen all the way through the club and down to the fans. If the club owners do not have the money to deliver top 17 then they should step aside and sell the club to someone who can deliver. You are saying that the club should keep itself in this bind as some kind of article of faith. It doesn't have to be so. Let me explain something very simple to you. The club will not pay players £100,000 per week each because the Socialists would have to call in the administrators and they would lose the train set. They are not bothered about the recklessness of the gamble itself only it's consequences for them. The club is in an existential crisis which can be gauged from the subdued mood of the home crowd. It would like promotion but doesn't like the consequences of promotion. The intelligent thing for the club to do at this point in its history is to find owners who can take the club up another level and be able to afford £100,000 per week per player. But no, they will not even try to do so because the current owners despise everything the EPL stands for and have brainwashed every single fan into believing the same. So instead we are where we are with second rate Brazilians and second rate Chileans replacing the second rate Germans. And so the machine is configured according to where the Socialists see us as being. Second division. And that is why Chase was way ahead of his time.

You really haven't understood a single word of what the club has said about being a top 26 club have you! You don't have the slightest clue about the link between funding and making the most of the funds available to achieve the best with those funds. Something you give away with startling stupidity in the following:

"The club will not pay players £100,000 per week each because the Socialists would have to call in the administrators and they would lose the train set. They are not bothered about the recklessness of the gamble itself only it's consequences for them. The club is in an existential crisis which can be gauged from the subdued mood of the home crowd."

Simply hilarious!

You obviously don't understand what the phrase "existential crisis" means either. The continued existence of the club has never been more secure precisely because of the stewardship of Webber and the board.

Edited October 15, 2022 by horsefly

[Big Vince 318]

5 hours ago, horsefly said:

You really haven't understood a single word of what the club has said about being a top 26 club have you! You don't have the slightest clue about the link between funding and making the most of the funds available to achieve the best with those funds. Something you give away with startling stupidity in the following:

"The club will not pay players £100,000 per week each because the Socialists would have to call in the administrators and they would lose the train set. They are not bothered about the recklessness of the gamble itself only it's consequences for them. The club is in an existential crisis which can be gauged from the subdued mood of the home crowd."

Simply hilarious!

You obviously don't understand what the phrase "existential crisis" means either. The continued existence of the club has never been more secure precisely because of the stewardship of Webber and the board.

You need to get the dictionary out to look up the meaning of an existential crisis. Let me therefore educate you. It refers to feelings that people experience when they are struggling to find a meaning and purpose in life. So in the context of Norwich City's multiple humiliations in the EPL fans no longer know where the club goes from this point forward and so they feel stuck. Promotion in this context is seen to carry a heavy penalty so how can the fans truly get behind the team with any fervour? The club's immediate problem is the Socialists. They will simply perpetuate these feelings of hopelessness and so fans need to delivered from them before the club can get to the next level. If the next level remains unattainable as a fan you are in an existential crisis.

Why are you talking about making the most of the funds available when those funds are not enough? The funds are not available because the owners are football poor. You should never be allowed to own a top level football club if you are not going to join the party. This why Norwich were so widely pilloried by the national media last season. They lined up on the grid with a Vauxhall Astra when everyone else was driving a Bugatti or Maserati or Lamborghini. It is just laughable. But more than that, they do it on purpose. They go up to the EPL then buy Championship players for the season after. Norwich's attitude to the EPL is completely and utterly disingenuous. They have no intention whatsoever of competing. 

[kirku 1,332]

6 hours ago, horsefly said:

You obviously don't understand what the phrase "existential crisis" means either. The continued existence of the club has never been more secure precisely because of the stewardship of Webber and the board.

The club may not be in a financial crisis, which is what you are alluding to, but it certainly seems to be tipping towards an existential one.

There is precious lack of fight, hunger and desire amongst the fanbase and the playing squad to get promoted. Why? Because we all understand what's coming next if it were to happen.

Many fans see that we aren't setting ourselves up to have a better crack at the PL, and the players can sense it to - what have we seen this season that gives us any hope in a hypothetical promotion? Do our players fancy another humiliating relegation on their CV? We saw the cracks appearing last year and they're slowly growing into chasms.

[horsefly 4,298]

8 hours ago, kirku said:

The club may not be in a financial crisis, which is what you are alluding to, but it certainly seems to be tipping towards an existential one.

There is precious lack of fight, hunger and desire amongst the fanbase and the playing squad to get promoted. Why? Because we all understand what's coming next if it were to happen.

Many fans see that we aren't setting ourselves up to have a better crack at the PL, and the players can sense it to - what have we seen this season that gives us any hope in a hypothetical promotion? Do our players fancy another humiliating relegation on their CV? We saw the cracks appearing last year and they're slowly growing into chasms.

I think you are right to suggest that most of us can see "what's coming" if we get promoted again and dread that prospect, but to claim that it represents some kind of existential crisis seems way over the top for a club at the top end of the league, that sells out its season tickets, and fills every home game to virtual maximum. I think you're eliding two things that need to be kept distinct; frustration caused by expectation/desire not matching performance, and the status of NCFC as a viable football team. Compare the 72 EFL teams and I seriously suspect about 71 of those would happily swap their position as a club (in terms of the complete package of business, football, facilities, fanbase etc, etc) with ours.

I certainly see no evidence that the playing squad lack fight, hunger, and desire to get promoted. Indeed, they stand to gain massively both financially and reputationally by getting promotion. Not getting promotion would be far more humiliating and detrimental to a player's careers than getting promotion.

What do you think can be done, that is not presently being done, to "set ourselves up to have a better crack at the PL"? Short of finding a beneficent billionaire willing to pump hundreds of millions into the club, its only option is to follow the self-funding model, unless we want to gamble the future on borrowing those millions and risk administration and decline (see Derby, Sunderland, Portsmouth etc, etc, etc).

The essential problem for a club like ours is that we are battling against the financial sewer that is the English Premier League. Frankly we are powerless against the might of an organisation funded by some of the most morally egregious despots in the political and financial world. Until that excessive money laundering operation comes to an end (either by the "top 6" ****ing off to a super league, or global financial meltdown) we will always be in a position like this. Even if we did manage somehow to establish ourselves in the PL I can't imagine finding much delight and passion in facing year after year of knowing mid-table mediocrity represents our most realistic aspiration. I often watch repeats of division one games from the 70s and 80s and it's clear that the very nature of the business and experience of football has changed radically because of the takeover of the topflight by big money interests. Pointless nostalgia it may be, but I would swap the present football setup for that of the 80s every day of the week.

[horsefly 4,298]

10 hours ago, Big Vince said:

The club's immediate problem is the Socialists

Hahahahahahahaha!!!! I suggest you get on your Brexit bus and take a ride out to Cromer pier and just keep going. That should sort out your existential crisis.

[Big Vince 318]

4 hours ago, horsefly said:

Hahahahahahahaha!!!! I suggest you get on your Brexit bus and take a ride out to Cromer pier and just keep going. That should sort out your existential crisis.

You still fail to grasp the meaning of existentialism. It has nothing to do with ticket sales or stadium capacity. It is about how people are feeling deep within themselves. They may still go to games but they are attending more in body than in mind.

[Capt. Pants 4,227]

21 hours ago, yellow_belly said:

Why don’t we just offload Stu? He doesn’t want to be here. Best for all parties.

I am guessing that Stu and Zoe will be replaced once the Americans take over in the (near) future.

I can’t wait for the beginning of the next chapter because recently is is just meh 🫤 

Does feel we are a bit in limbo to be fair; potential rich new owner but process taking an age, a SD who doesn't really want to be here and a Head Coach most people don't really want.

[horsefly 4,298]

36 minutes ago, Big Vince said:

You still fail to grasp the meaning of existentialism. It has nothing to do with ticket sales or stadium capacity. It is about how people are feeling deep within themselves. They may still go to games but they are attending more in body than in mind.

Hahahaha! I suggest you get a grip on reality and take a look at the utter absurdity of what you have just said (Although I fully understand that you probably only have the capacity to attend a football match in body alone given your lack of mind). Any long-term fan of NCFC will be well used to experiencing the highs and lows of supporting a club like ours. To describe the current situation as an "existential crisis" is laughable. It's a football club for Christ's sake! Not a person in a state of suicidal despair.

Oh! BTW "Existentialism" is the name of a particular philosophical theory or approach to notions of human freedom. "Existential crisis" refers to something different. 

Edited October 16, 2022 by horsefly

[wcorkcanary 4,334]

2 hours ago, Big Vince said:

You still fail to grasp the meaning of existentialism. It has nothing to do with ticket sales or stadium capacity. It is about how people are feeling deep within themselves. They may still go to games but they are attending more in body than in mind.

So is existentialism in fact just  the quest for faith then smarty-pants ?

[Big Vince 318]

16 hours ago, horsefly said:

Hahahaha! I suggest you get a grip on reality and take a look at the utter absurdity of what you have just said (Although I fully understand that you probably only have the capacity to attend a football match in body alone given your lack of mind). Any long-term fan of NCFC will be well used to experiencing the highs and lows of supporting a club like ours. To describe the current situation as an "existential crisis" is laughable. It's a football club for Christ's sake! Not a person in a state of suicidal despair.

Oh! BTW "Existentialism" is the name of a particular philosophical theory or approach to notions of human freedom. "Existential crisis" refers to something different. 

You have completely and utterly failed to judge the mood of the home faithful. Delia has managed to suck out any meaning or purpose in being a Canary fan and when added to the energy crisis and the cost of living crisis generally there are scores of fans contemplating suicide. This runs much deeper than the usual highs and lows because there is no longer the high to counter-balance the low. The high is now unattainable. 

[littleyellowbirdie 2,547]

3 hours ago, Big Vince said:

You have completely and utterly failed to judge the mood of the home faithful. Delia has managed to suck out any meaning or purpose in being a Canary fan and when added to the energy crisis and the cost of living crisis generally there are scores of fans contemplating suicide. This runs much deeper than the usual highs and lows because there is no longer the high to counter-balance the low. The high is now unattainable. 

Faith seems an unfortunate choice of term for people with no belief that anything the club can do is good enough or any belief that those working for the club even care about the club.

Putting the success of failure of a football team alongside the risk of freezing of starving to death? The problem is not the club; the problem is your expectations.

[wcorkcanary 4,334]

3 hours ago, Big Vince said:

You have completely and utterly failed to judge the mood of the home faithful. Delia has managed to suck out any meaning or purpose in being a Canary fan and when added to the energy crisis and the cost of living crisis generally there are scores of fans contemplating suicide. This runs much deeper than the usual highs and lows because there is no longer the high to counter-balance the low. The high is now unattainable. 

If you really mean what you post , then you are Ill. How dare you compare the fortunes of a footy club to the horrible realities of some people's lives. Footy is a distraction ,a hobby, a pastime, for some it's a job. The old nuggets of            ' more important than life or death' should be dismantled and shown to be nothing but hot air. 

You have really shown your true colours Vincey, and they are an awful shade of shoitey brown, mixed with Binner blue. 

[Chichcan 148]

This is still rumoured to be happening 

https://www.caughtoffside.com/2022/11/08/exclusive-chelsea-in-talks-to-appoint-new-executive-board/

 

[komakino 272]

2 minutes ago, Chichcan said:

This is still rumoured to be happening 

https://www.caughtoffside.com/2022/11/08/exclusive-chelsea-in-talks-to-appoint-new-executive-board/

 

Still a bridge too far in terms of Webber. I think he likes being a 'big fish' - and it is debatable what size of a fish he actually is - in a relatively small pond where he can do and treat people how he likes. Chelsea would be more of a co-operative and I'm not sure how his 'personality' would fit in. Here's hoping. 

[Capt. Pants 4,227]

1 hour ago, Chichcan said:

This is still rumoured to be happening 

https://www.caughtoffside.com/2022/11/08/exclusive-chelsea-in-talks-to-appoint-new-executive-board/

 

Interesting, I thought that one was dead in the water.

[TIL 1010 4,738]

It's the hope that kills you.

[TheGunnShow 5,940]

On 16/10/2022 at 13:45, Capt. Pants said:

Does feel we are a bit in limbo to be fair; potential rich new owner but process taking an age, a SD who doesn't really want to be here and a Head Coach most people don't really want.

Would say the team on the pitch is in limbo more than anything. Buendia and Skipp (loaned) gone when we went up into the Premier last time, Rashica was clearly meant as a marquee signing but is out on loan after not impressing, Sargent's not always playing in his best position but is showing signs of being the next striker along, Tzolis was seen as a potential future weapon that might have been able to help out, and he's out on loan.

In the meantime Sara and Hayden are working their way back to peak fitness, and in the cases of Sara and Nunez, both are also getting used to English football (then you've got the youngsters in Omo, Idah, Rowe coming back off some fairly heavy-duty injuries to boot). Last couple of games seem to be hinting at the blueprint with a fitter Hayden marshalling the space in front of defence and allowing the full-backs to press on more than they did earlier, presumably and partially to compensate for his lack of match sharpness.

It'll always look a bit prozaic compared to Farkeball in full flow.

[Cowboy 197]

1 hour ago, komakino said:

Still a bridge too far in terms of Webber. I think he likes being a 'big fish' - and it is debatable what size of a fish he actually is - in a relatively small pond where he can do and treat people how he likes. Chelsea would be more of a co-operative and I'm not sure how his 'personality' would fit in. Here's hoping. 

 

41 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said:

Interesting, I thought that one was dead in the water.

So he's a big dead fish in the water of a small pond?

Quite smelly, one would think.