Chelsea talking to Webber

[wcorkcanary 4,329]

7 minutes ago, Big Vince said:

But people who were weaned too early do grow into maladjusted adults.

We can blame your Mum  then ,or your sister?😇

[Big Vince 318]

4 hours ago, horsefly said:

Vision and awareness are obviously important. Where their importance translates into tangible effectiveness it shows up precisely in the data collected by this approach. If it didn't, vision and awareness would be entirely irrelevant. Try using that brain once in a while.

Okay wise guy, so how does the technology identify Martin Peters' ability to ghost in at the back post? Or say a player always scores pens because he puts the keeper off by doing a little something with the crown jewels just before striking the ball? Is the machine configured for that?

[littleyellowbirdie 2,500]

4 hours ago, Mello Yello said:

Time to move on now Stu you've peaked....

Now let's bring in the next candidate who hopefully enjoys time off to participate in the 'Iditarod Trail Sled Dog Race' held in Alaska....and who probably shouts commands to the sled dogs in a deep 'Husky' voice....

I'm pretty sure our current majority shareholding duo will give the next DoF their blessing and time away to pursue their outside interests and pastimes..... 

 

 

Quite right that they should do; slavery was abolished centuries ago.

[littleyellowbirdie 2,500]

6 hours ago, Big Vince said:

I just don't see what Attanasio brings to the table. We are already using the data driven approach which in any case is flawed because it does not pick up the intangible skills such as vision and awareness. Also, Attanasio by all accounts is not going to throw hundreds of millions at it, so where is the value that he adds? The club has not changed in the slightest and no glass ceiling will be broken through until such time as the club realises that unless it starts to pay players upwards of £100,000 per week the EPL is realistically out of reach. End of.

I have no idea what a billionaire who bought a sports team for $200m in 2004, which is worth $1.2bn now can bring to the table either. I've been scratching my head about it for months.

[Big Vince 318]

6 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

I have no idea what a billionaire who bought a sports team for $200m in 2004, which is worth $1.2bn now can bring to the table either. I've been scratching my head about it for months.

Agreed. Attanasio has done nothing so far apart from declare himself content to play second fiddle to the Socialists by letting them carry on putting the club further and further off the pace of the EPL.

[Mello Yello 2,273]

36 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

5 hours ago, Mello Yello said:

Time to move on now Stu you've peaked....

Now let's bring in the next candidate who hopefully enjoys time off to participate in the 'Iditarod Trail Sled Dog Race' held in Alaska....and who probably shouts commands to the sled dogs in a deep 'Husky' voice....

I'm pretty sure our current majority shareholding duo will give the next DoF their blessing and time away to pursue their outside interests and pastimes..... 

 

 

Quite right that they should do; slavery was abolished centuries ago.

Yeah totally agree, and I also think we should all go on strike and demand daily 7 hour 45 minute tea-breaks with a 15 minute work-break....

[Mello Yello 2,273]

Oh and a 2 day working week but paid for 5.....

[Capt. Pants 4,194]

Well no news is good news, at least from NCFC perspective? Must admit I was expecting an announcement today, which rather suggests Webber wasn't successful in his application.

What next? Where does that leave Webber in relation to his relationship with NCFC and the US investors?

[Mello Yello 2,273]

....Hair today........Gone tomorrow....

[horsefly 4,273]

1 hour ago, Big Vince said:

Okay wise guy, so how does the technology identify Martin Peters' ability to ghost in at the back post? Or say a player always scores pens because he puts the keeper off by doing a little something with the crown jewels just before striking the ball? Is the machine configured for that?

Oh dear! You didn't get it did you! The point is that Peters' ability to ghost in at the back post translated into goals and attempts at goal, i.e. the very data identified by the system you decry. Likewise, a player who always scores penalties because of his "trickery" will score 100% on the data relating to penalties. If such "vision" and "trickery" didn't translate into hard measurable data, such as goals scored, assists, tackles, interceptions, pass success rate, etc, etc, then that particular player's "vision" and "trickery" would be entirely worthless (indeed it would be a clear sign that they didn't possess "vision" and "trickery").

[Bradwell canary 109]

On 12/10/2022 at 12:34, Deptford Yellow said:

I think Neil would do a better job than Webber ..

(There, I’ve said it…)

Well he did spot Maddison for us!

[Yobocop 1,094]

Read three negative comments and gave up reading as anyone who has made a negative comment has conveniently forgotten we’re talking about champions league club Chelsea that are interested in Webber here. 

safe to say the work he has done at norwich hasn’t gone unnoticed by the top clubs in England and if he does go he leaves the club in a much better place than he found it 

[mastoola 183]

12 minutes ago, Yobocop said:

Read three negative comments and gave up reading as anyone who has made a negative comment has conveniently forgotten we’re talking about champions league club Chelsea that are interested in Webber here. 

safe to say the work he has done at norwich hasn’t gone unnoticed by the top clubs in England and if he does go he leaves the club in a much better place than he found it 

I feel he will not go to a job less than the status of what he has here.  He already is a rich man so money should not come into it. However, he does deserve the job of director of football at a world class club. His only problem has been that after his success that he has not been in a position to kick on with the project because of finances. You can work out why that is.

Edited October 13, 2022 by mastoola

[Yobocop 1,094]

1 hour ago, mastoola said:

I feel he will not go to a job less than the status of what he has here.  He already is a rich man so money should not come into it. However, he does deserve the job of director of football at a world class club. His only problem has been that after his success that he has not been in a position to kick on with the project because of finances. You can work out why that is.

Correct - worked within the set parameters and revolutionised the club 

[chicken 2,604]

On 12/10/2022 at 21:58, littleyellowbirdie said:

Not that I'd imagine him leaving BM any time soon, but hadn't Daniel Farke originally had his eye on being a Sporting Director? 

Another one that could be worth a shout is Kieran Scott who went to Middlesbrough after being head of recruitment for us and wanted to step up to being Sporting Director. Several on here felt that was around the time Webber was expected to move on, so perhaps he had held out to see if that was an option?

Either way, in theory he'd step back in with only a year-ish away and still know the club, where it's at, the players and the scouts, contacts etc. Whether he would come back to do the role - who knows? In my head it sort of makes logical sense.

[Nuff Said 5,078]

6 minutes ago, chicken said:

Another one that could be worth a shout is Kieran Scott who went to Middlesbrough after being head of recruitment for us and wanted to step up to being Sporting Director. Several on here felt that was around the time Webber was expected to move on, so perhaps he had held out to see if that was an option?

Either way, in theory he'd step back in with only a year-ish away and still know the club, where it's at, the players and the scouts, contacts etc. Whether he would come back to do the role - who knows? In my head it sort of makes logical sense.

It’s probably over-simplistic, but would I be right to say that while Kieran Scott was our head of recruitment, we signed Teemu and Emi, and many of the early crop of “Germans” like Stiepi, Zimbo and Onel? Whereas results since he left have been a little disappointing? Obviously it’s a recruitment team and one person, even if they are in charge, shouldn’t make a huge amount of difference, but I have wondered.

[By Hook or Ian crook 917]

8 hours ago, Capt. Pants said:

Well no news is good news, at least from NCFC perspective? Must admit I was expecting an announcement today, which rather suggests Webber wasn't successful in his application.

What next? Where does that leave Webber in relation to his relationship with NCFC and the US investors?

I doubt that is the kind of job you apply for it’s more likely they kind of job they call you for 

[Big Vince 318]

9 hours ago, horsefly said:

Oh dear! You didn't get it did you! The point is that Peters' ability to ghost in at the back post translated into goals and attempts at goal, i.e. the very data identified by the system you decry. Likewise, a player who always scores penalties because of his "trickery" will score 100% on the data relating to penalties. If such "vision" and "trickery" didn't translate into hard measurable data, such as goals scored, assists, tackles, interceptions, pass success rate, etc, etc, then that particular player's "vision" and "trickery" would be entirely worthless (indeed it would be a clear sign that they didn't possess "vision" and "trickery").

Okay then, the boy Sara has been recruited using the data driven approach you describe, yet so far we have not seen him do much of these clever measurables, apart from one goal where he was in the right place at the right time. And what about all the players recruited last season who all failed? If Webber puts so much faith in the machine, why is it not working? Is it not the case that the machine fails to compute that you need to pay £100,000 per week to get a player who can play?

[horsefly 4,273]

2 hours ago, Big Vince said:

Okay then, the boy Sara has been recruited using the data driven approach you describe, yet so far we have not seen him do much of these clever measurables, apart from one goal where he was in the right place at the right time. And what about all the players recruited last season who all failed? If Webber puts so much faith in the machine, why is it not working? Is it not the case that the machine fails to compute that you need to pay £100,000 per week to get a player who can play?

FFS! Are you seriously suggesting we should make a judgement about Sara after he has played a minimal amount of football, and after recovering from a long injury? Name me one team that has got every transfer decision right. And in case you haven't noticed we can't afford to pay £100,000 a week to a single player, hence the need to scrutinise hard data to spend wisely. Do I really need to go through all those that did pay off using this method, Jesus!!!

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13 hours ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

I have no idea what a billionaire who bought a sports team for $200m in 2004, which is worth $1.2bn now can bring to the table either. I've been scratching my head about it for months.

I be reckoning he's getting a foot in the door ready to buy Tom out when the time comes. 

[Capt. Pants 4,194]

4 hours ago, By Hook or Ian crook said:

I doubt that is the kind of job you apply for it’s more likely they kind of job they call you for 

No doubt he was invited in. In my mind had he blown their socks off in the 'talks' he would have been appointed by now. There would have been no reason to delay. 

[Bert 236]

The obvious replacement would be Chris Hughton, loads of knowledge, contacts in the game and can spot a player - Redmond   Being an example. Knows the club and owners 

Edited October 14, 2022 by Bert

[Michael Starr 519]

26 minutes ago, Bert said:

The obvious replacement would be Chris Hughton, loads of knowledge, contacts in the game and can spot a player - Redmond   Being an example. Knows the club and owners 

To be honest, this isn't a bad shout. Very well respected in the game. Would potentially make a better Sporting Director than a Coach but does he have the balls needed to fight agents and suchlike. Does Neil Adams?

Edited October 14, 2022 by Michael Starr

[Michael Starr 519]

Can't see Webber sticking it at Chelsea even if he got the job, working alongside two other directors with less power... He'd get frustrated pretty quickly regardless of whatever club it is.

[WD40 720]

Romano reporting it’s going to Southamptons director of recruitment which makes a lot more sense than tinpot Webber. 

[horsefly 4,273]

38 minutes ago, Bert said:

The obvious replacement would be Chris Hughton, loads of knowledge, contacts in the game and can spot a player - Redmond   Being an example. Knows the club and owners 

Sadly, he also brought in Wolfie for a record transfer fee then decided to set the team up in a way which ignored Wolfie's strengths. A very decent guy all the same.

Edited October 14, 2022 by horsefly

[Capt. Pants 4,194]

I think it more likely the SD role will be redefined with Adams doing the football and recruitment and Sam Jefferies becoming a Technical Director overseeing Commercial and Infrastructure. Out and Finance Directors are far easier to recruit.

[Danke bitte 965]

Whatever the Webber (see what I did there), with it being publicly declared he’s interested in another role elsewhere, it does make his next moves interesting as clearly he thinks he’s done as much as he can for Norwich. And fair play, he’s been with us a long time in the football world. Maybe a fresh perspective would be best for all parties. 

[Feedthewolf 4,844]

36 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said:

I think it more likely the SD role will be redefined with Adams doing the football and recruitment and Sam Jefferies becoming a Technical Director overseeing Commercial and Infrastructure. Out and Finance Directors are far easier to recruit.

We've already got a Finance Director, Anthony Richens. Sam Jeffery was only promoted to Commercial Director less than a year ago, so personally I doubt he'd be making another step up so soon.

[Capt. Pants 4,194]

30 minutes ago, Feedthewolf said:

We've already got a Finance Director, Anthony Richens. Sam Jeffery was only promoted to Commercial Director less than a year ago, so personally I doubt he'd be making another step up so soon.

Fair do's. Don't know why I thought Sam was Fin. Dir.