cambridgeshire canary 6,514 Posted September 27, 2022 Given there has been quite the uh, "debate" about Harry Maguire and if he deservers to even be playing for England I thought I would try and raise a little bit of a conversation. Fair to say there have been some duds over the years, from Scott Carson to Tom Cleverley and of course who could forget Stewart Downing (Did he really make over 30 appearances for England..?) but who would you say deservers the title of worst player you have seen play for England? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dylanisabaddog 4,745 Posted September 27, 2022 Geoff Thomas (Crystal Palace)Â Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Badger 2,389 Posted September 27, 2022 Mick Mills, Terry Butcher, Kevin Beattie and Paul Mariner. 2 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Feedthewolf 4,789 Posted September 27, 2022 There are plenty of awful one-cap wonders from recent years (Michael Ricketts, Seth Johnson and Gavin McCann are three that spring to mind without Googling)... I remember Paul Konchesky getting a couple of caps too, which was pretty rank. 'Our' David Bentley even managed a few caps before he got bored of football and faded into obscurity. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raunds canary 213 Posted September 27, 2022 Mark barham😊 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cambridgeshire canary 6,514 Posted September 27, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Feedthewolf said: There are plenty of awful one-cap wonders from recent years (Michael Ricketts, Seth Johnson and Gavin McCann are three that spring to mind without Googling)... I remember Paul Konchesky getting a couple of caps too, which was pretty rank. 'Our' David Bentley even managed a few caps before he got bored of football and faded into obscurity. Don't forget Jack Cork, Joey Barton and Jon Flanagan! What a trio that is.. Edited September 27, 2022 by cambridgeshire canary Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HazzaJet 252 Posted September 27, 2022 (edited) I would add Chris Smalling to the list Edited September 27, 2022 by HazzaJet Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Raptor 1,178 Posted September 27, 2022 Blimey. Some of those guys mentioned above got England caps? They barely deserves to play in the top flight! Carlton Palmer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shefcanary 2,341 Posted September 27, 2022 1 minute ago, The Raptor said: Blimey. Some of those guys mentioned above got England caps? They barely deserves to play in the top flight! Carlton Palmer Now you're talking! 😄 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Somerset exile 4 Posted September 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Badger said: Mick Mills, Terry Butcher, Kevin Beattie and Paul Mariner. More than a touch biased.  I think Terry Butcher always played well for England I saw a few local derbys around that time and Butcher unfortunately for us was usually the best player on the pitch, and I don't remember the others being too bad. I believed that we were once interested in Mariner before he signed for Ipswich. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Google Bot 3,227 Posted September 27, 2022 Batty should've been. But I quite liked him in an England shirt! 🙂 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Angry 1,512 Posted September 27, 2022 Danny Mills 2 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gibbo 131 Posted September 27, 2022 Maguire is in terrible form, but was certainly one of our standout players at the last world cup. He's fully deserved his place in the past and shouldn't be on a list of complete duds imo. He does need a regain some semblance of form before selected again though. Michael Ricketts on the other hand... 🙂 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pyro Pete 1,849 Posted September 27, 2022 Andrew Sinton. Although you were spoilt for choice in Graham Taylor's era. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 3,703 Posted September 27, 2022 3 hours ago, Feedthewolf said: There are plenty of awful one-cap wonders from recent years (Michael Ricketts, Seth Johnson and Gavin McCann are three that spring to mind without Googling)... I remember Paul Konchesky getting a couple of caps too, which was pretty rank. 'Our' David Bentley even managed a few caps before he got bored of football and faded into obscurity. My initial thoughts were Carlton Cole and Zat Knight, but those first three you named will take some beating. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Google Bot 3,227 Posted September 27, 2022 England's No.6 had some real poor England appearances. Not only did he managed to injure himself with England B and we lost him start of season, he had the gaff in the 2010 World Cup, and managed to be one of the only few England keepers to get sent off. You'd say it was more bad luck for him, but at least he had a sense of humour about it all. 🙂 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AJ 1,218 Posted September 27, 2022 Jack Cork, Jay Boothroyd, Matt Jarvis, Joey Barton, Alan Thompson, Anthony Gardener, Francis Jeffers, Michael Ricketts, Michael Ball, Gavin McCan, Seth Johnson, Steve Guppy.  My word that's a long list of average garbage isn't it!  3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chelm Canary 402 Posted September 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, AJ said: Jack Cork, Jay Boothroyd, Matt Jarvis, Joey Barton, Alan Thompson, Anthony Gardener, Francis Jeffers, Michael Ricketts, Michael Ball, Gavin McCan, Seth Johnson, Steve Guppy.  My word that's a long list of average garbage isn't it!  Agree with almost all of them but Matt Jarvis could actually play football if he was fit, which was basically never so maybe I do have to agree with you on that one. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dylanisabaddog 4,745 Posted September 27, 2022 4 hours ago, Badger said: Mick Mills, Terry Butcher, Kevin Beattie and Paul Mariner. You missed Trevor Whymark. Easy mistake so you are forgiven 😂 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barham Blitz 651 Posted September 27, 2022 Whoever it is, the chances are that they were capped by Graham Taylor. Random selection - Carlton Palmer Keith Curle David Bardsley Brian Deane Geoff Thomas Andy Sinton Tony Daley Earl Barrett Andy Gray Stuart Ripley David White John Beresford Paul Stewart Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Google Bot 3,227 Posted September 27, 2022 16 minutes ago, dylanisabaddog said: You missed Trevor Whymark. Easy mistake so you are forgiven Saw him with his wife by the coast a short while back. Really lovely couple, people with us said he's suffering with dementia poor ****. Not that I want to make you feel bad, of course. But just a shout out to the guy reading his name on here, and with our recent charity match - I didn't really consider the link to football at the time. Used to play against his brother (Paul?) in local football when I was a teen - One of the village teams out Diss way, much older than me, but man were they both tough - Kind of guys where the ball THUDS off their chest. I can imagine Maguire being ever so much that stature in person. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TeemuVanBasten 3,327 Posted September 27, 2022 5 hours ago, Feedthewolf said: There are plenty of awful one-cap wonders from recent years (Michael Ricketts, Seth Johnson and Gavin McCann are three that spring to mind without Googling)... I remember Paul Konchesky getting a couple of caps too, which was pretty rank. 'Our' David Bentley even managed a few caps before he got bored of football and faded into obscurity. Bentley was a good player to be fair, before he lost interest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Commonsense 597 Posted September 27, 2022 46 minutes ago, Barham Blitz said: Whoever it is, the chances are that they were capped by Graham Taylor. Random selection - Carlton Palmer Keith Curle David Bardsley Brian Deane Geoff Thomas Andy Sinton Tony Daley Earl Barrett Andy Gray Stuart Ripley David White John Beresford Paul Stewart That’s an impressive list! I’d always thought Carlton Palmer, but when you see a list including Keith Curle maybe I should think again. There are a few on there I have no memory whatsoever of, who was Earl Barrett? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ged in the onion bag 847 Posted September 27, 2022 Emule Heskey!!!! No doubt, absolute donkey! Â Â 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Commonsense 597 Posted September 27, 2022 6 minutes ago, ged in the onion bag said: Emule Heskey!!!! No doubt, absolute donkey!   That’s pretty harsh in this context. He got 67 caps and was chosen by 6 different managers! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
......and Smith must score. 1,310 Posted September 27, 2022 4 hours ago, Somerset exile said: More than a touch biased.  I think Terry Butcher always played well for England I saw a few local derbys around that time and Butcher unfortunately for us was usually the best player on the pitch, and I don't remember the others being too bad. I believed that we were once interested in Mariner before he signed for Ipswich.  5 hours ago, Badger said: Mick Mills, Terry Butcher, Kevin Beattie and Paul Mariner. I don't think Badger was being serious. They were all great players for club and country even if that club was sadly in IP1. 😀 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paddycanary 535 Posted September 27, 2022 I see my instinctive response to the thread title "Carton Palmer" already has a few mentions, as has my follow up "Geoff Thomas." Â Â 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barham Blitz 651 Posted September 27, 2022 39 minutes ago, Commonsense said: That’s an impressive list! I’d always thought Carlton Palmer, but when you see a list including Keith Curle maybe I should think again. There are a few on there I have no memory whatsoever of, who was Earl Barrett? Earl Barrett was one of those not quite tall enough to be a centre-back / not quite technical enough to be a full-backs that seemed to proliferate through English football in the mid-nineties. He played for Oldham mainly (and Villa, Wednesday and Everton as well apparently but I really have no memory of him at any of those clubs.) Decent pro but would never have come near a sniff of becoming an England International under any other regime . Tony Daley was a terrible player who used to run off the end of the pitch (albeit at speed) with the ball fairly regularly. Think Placheta but with less spatial awareness if you can imagine that. My award would go to either of the above.  With special mentions for Keith Curle and David White ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheRock 147 Posted September 27, 2022 (edited) Plenty of bang-average players over the years who have managed to nick a handful of caps. Off the top of my head: Leon Osman Jay Bothroyd Steven Warnock Ryan Shawcross Jon Flanagan Carlton Cole David Dunn  Out of those listed above the most annoying is probably Osman. Roy Hodgson never gave Holt a run-out when he had form as he was "too old", yet he gave Osman a go when they are the same age... Edited September 27, 2022 by TheRock Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Vince 317 Posted September 27, 2022 (edited) Geoff Thomas Gerry Francis Ray Wilkins Peter Reid Stanley Bowles Chris Waddle Steve Bull John Fashanu Club players who were exposed when stepping up to international level.       Edited September 27, 2022 by Big Vince Share this post Link to post Share on other sites