I know Smith is not quite popular right now but..

[cambridgeshire canary 7,797]

But can we at least give him some credit for whatever it is he has whispered into Cantwells ear?

 

[canarybubbles 2,199]

No. And this isn't me being a Smith-hater.

The only reason Cantwell is putting in the effort is that he has realised he has nowhere else to go, he's used up any good will he had, Bournemouth didn't want him and neither did any other PL side, so he has had to come back to Norwich and try to rebuild what is left of his reputation.

He thought he was bigger than the club and he wasn't. 

Edited August 15, 2022 by canarybubbles

[GodlyOtsemobor 2,830]

Or... Maybe cantwell knows he's leaving at the end of the season anyway so he's just putting some effort in to get noticed for an offer when he's a free agent as he hasn't got any rright now. 

[By Hook or Ian crook 943]

If he plays well this season he holds all the cards as he’s out of contract this summer. It’s nice to see him hungry to impress just hope it’s us he wants to impress in the long run 

[canarybubbles 2,199]

8 minutes ago, By Hook or Ian crook said:

If he plays well this season he holds all the cards as he’s out of contract this summer. It’s nice to see him hungry to impress just hope it’s us he wants to impress in the long run 

No, it's not us who he hopes to impress. He still imagines that he is a big PL star in waiting, and if by some miracle he got a serious offer he would dump us without the slightest thought. IMO, we should use his need to impress but not for a moment make the mistake of thinking he has any loyalty or interest to anyone except Todd Cantwell. 

[Capt. Pants 5,008]

It's just the fluid nature of players feelings, personal situation, contractual status and career objectives. 12 months ago Harry Kane had a 'gob on', now is all forgotten.

I didn't understand Todd's mentality last season and I sure as hell don't now.

[TeemuVanBasten 3,328]

4 minutes ago, canarybubbles said:

No, it's not us who he hopes to impress. He still imagines that he is a big PL star in waiting, and if by some miracle he got a serious offer he would dump us without the slightest thought. IMO, we should use his need to impress but not for a moment make the mistake of thinking he has any loyalty or interest to anyone except Todd Cantwell. 

Which player wouldn't? If we accepted a Premier League offer tomorrow? Its natural to want to play at the highest level.

Not saying that he'll have interest right now, he'll have to impress over the next few months before any interest develops, but I think he's held to a different standard here just because he grew up in Dereham?

[ec-p 117]

Give the lad a break. He’s seemingly sorted his head out, come back into the fold and is putting in a shift with decent stats. Cantwell is far from the problem at the moment. 

[daly 551]

Do you really believe in today’s world any of them care about the club they play for

I remember the days they did and that’s years ago before the world changed for the worse

[TeemuVanBasten 3,328]

Just now, daly said:

Do you really believe in today’s world any of them care about the club they play for

I remember the days they did and that’s years ago before the world changed for the worse

I don't think human nature has changed at all, but the disparities in how much you can earn between the leagues has.

Back in the day when gate receipts were the main source of income for a club there wasn't much between what a second tier side selling 20000 tickets could pay compared with a club in the top tier which sold 30000.

[baldy09 196]

52 minutes ago, GodlyOtsemobor said:

Or... Maybe cantwell knows he's leaving at the end of the season anyway so he's just putting some effort in to get noticed for an offer when he's a free agent as he hasn't got any rright now. 

Ipswich have shown interest 😬😆

[Nuff Said 5,960]

38 minutes ago, daly said:

Do you really believe in today’s world any of them care about the club they play for

I remember the days they did and that’s years ago before the world changed for the worse

Yeah, it was better in the old days. Before central heating, modern healthcare and computers ruined everything. 
 

[Nuff Said 5,960]

1 hour ago, canarybubbles said:

No. And this isn't me being a Smith-hater.

The only reason Cantwell is putting in the effort is that he has realised he has nowhere else to go, he's used up any good will he had, Bournemouth didn't want him and neither did any other PL side, so he has had to come back to Norwich and try to rebuild what is left of his reputation.

He thought he was bigger than the club and he wasn't. 

My problem with this theory is that he must be spectacularly thick not to have realised this before, or he would have been putting the effort in at Bournemouth.

Edited August 15, 2022 by Nuff Said

[Canaries north 155]

What ever the problem was before and no matter what his contract says we need him this season and he needs us. I have never thought he was as good as a lot of people on here did but he is still a good championship player and should be very useful for us this season. At this moment I don't care if he's playing for a move at the end of the season as long as he performs. 

[hogesar 10,762]

28 minutes ago, Nuff Said said:

My problem with this theory is that he must be spectacularly thick not to have realised this before, or he would have been putting the effort in at Bournemouth.

Smith got the best out of Grealish so it wouldn't surprise me if he managed to get the best out of Todd. So far he's doing just that. The rest is just speculation 😀

[Capt. Pants 5,008]

If Deano can get Cantwell and Nunez firing on all cylinders and Pukki scoring we can still have a very good season.

[Creedence Clearwater Couto 1,633]

Good stats, but a better example of how stats don’t always align with performance, or rather in Cantwell’s case, effectiveness.

How many games do we win with Cantwell as the focal creative player? How many times does he drag us over the line, or turn a game in our favour? 

No wins this season and 3 starts for Cantwell - coincidence?

A nice tidy link player alongside a creative fulcrum, like Buendia. But without that type, ineffective, IMO. 

A proper number 10 between Pukki and Nunez is what’s required. I think Dowel is a better bet, personally. But appreciate that opinion will get a mixed reaction. 
 

 

 

[FenwayFrank 2,717]

What’s his body language like?

[South Sider 114]

4 hours ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

But can we at least give him some credit for whatever it is he has whispered into Cantwells ear?

 

smith has had nothing to do with it. to think otherwise is naive

cantwell has an expiring contract and the shop window is very much open for him

[norfolkngood 1,174]

47 minutes ago, hogesar said:

Smith got the best out of Grealish so it wouldn't surprise me if he managed to get the best out of Todd. So far he's doing just that. The rest is just speculation 😀

i thought that Hog when smith first came here he had sorted Grealish out so he would sort out Todd ,

so was Surprised he then went to Bournemouth i

thought Shakey would have been perfect talking to him about players at leicester but Todd still went 

hopefully that's all water under the Bridge 

Be interested to know if there is a offer on the table for Todd so he could sign a new contract 

or talks have broken down and he does not want to stay and he is off end of season 

[Nexus_Canary 1,206]

its more likely that its because Wee Billy Krankie is not about anymore.

[Canary dwarf 221]

I think cantwell let himself down badly last season, however new season fresh start and he's playing well , let's get behind him.,otbc

[Canary dwarf 221]

You hear of quite a few players coming off social media, it would be great if Todd did.,

[keelansgrandad 6,680]

So we have at least one player doing well but its only because his contract is expiring?

Using that logic surely he would hsve tried harder at Bournemouth and played in the EPL this season.

Edited August 15, 2022 by keelansgrandad

[Capt. Pants 5,008]

30 minutes ago, norfolkngood said:

i thought that Hog when smith first came here he had sorted Grealish out so he would sort out Todd ,

so was Surprised he then went to Bournemouth i

thought Shakey would have been perfect talking to him about players at leicester but Todd still went 

hopefully that's all water under the Bridge 

Be interested to know if there is a offer on the table for Todd so he could sign a new contract 

or talks have broken down and he does not want to stay and he is off end of season 

We don't know 100% if Todd's loan to Bournemouth had the backing of Smith. I think it's more likely that Webber saw a possible sale on the cards to realise at least some of his value and said that it was going to happen, whether Deano liked it or not.

I'm no expert but looking at Todd's demeanour he doesn't look particularly troubled or unhappy so I wouldn't be surprised if contract talks haven't even started. They will in January though as he can start talking to other clubs.

[daly 551]

3 hours ago, Nuff Said said:

Yeah, it was better in the old days. Before central heating, modern healthcare and computers ruined everything. 
 

Life in the UK was definitely much simpler back then. For a start we didn’t have political correctness and the professionally offended, those just dying to be offended by everybody and everything. Mass immigration was in its early years and we could still discuss race without being accused of racism and we could make jokes about different people and peoples and no-one took offence

Women and children could walk the streets without being raped and murdered

Housing was affordable if you were willing to work

Didn't have girls getting pregnant to get a council house

Didn't have people glueing themselves to buildings to make a point

If you wanted to see a Doctor through illness you just turned up at surgery and was treated

Cant see a Dentist now for months

Operations running at least 12 months behind schedule

Try to report a crime and the Police will give you an incident number unless it’s really serious 

Now at least we’ve got the computer and the mobile phone to stare at when we’re out with our kids or loved ones, Why make conversation 

Try to get through to a company or business regarding a complaint or query and after holding on for at least 30 minutes you finish up in China or Bangladesh speaking to someone who can’t understand you and you have trouble understanding them

The list is endless.

50 /60 years ago life was less stressful people were happier even if we didn’t have today’s amenities but agree on the National Health Service which incidentally came into force in 1948

PS us old fogeys have seen the best years and for all the modern technology I wouldn’t want to be a teenager now with what this future world holds

Its frightening 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 15, 2022 by daly

[chicken 3,086]

7 minutes ago, daly said:

Life in the UK was definitely much simpler back then. For a start we didn’t have political correctness and the professionally offended, those just dying to be offended by everybody and everything. Mass immigration was in its early years and we could still discuss race without being accused of racism and we could make jokes about different people and peoples and no-one took offence

Women and children could walk the streets without being raped and murdered

Housing was affordable if you were willing to work

Didn't have girls getting pregnant to get a council house

Didn't have people glueing themselves to buildings to make a point

If you wanted to see a Doctor through illness you just turned up at surgery and was treated

Cant see a Dentist now for months

Operations running at least 12 months behind schedule

Try to report a crime and the Police will give you an incident number unless it’s really serious 

Now at least we’ve got the computer and the mobile phone to stare at when we’re out with our kids or loved ones, Why make conversation 

Try to get through to a company or business regarding a complaint or query and after holding on for at least 30 minutes you finish up in China or Bangladesh speaking to someone who can’t understand you and you have trouble understanding them

The list is endless.

50 /60 years ago life was less stressful people were happier even if we didn’t have today’s amenities but agree on the National Health Service which incidentally came into force in 1948

PS us old fogeys have seen the best years and for all the modern technology I wouldn’t want to be a teenager now with what this future world holds

Its frightening 

Trying to work out if this is some subtle form of humour or serious... things are so strange now it really could be either.
 

[daly 551]

9 minutes ago, chicken said:

Trying to work out if this is some subtle form of humour or serious... things are so strange now it really could be either.
 

Don’t take much working out

Depends on your age to understand 

[AJ 1,358]

3 hours ago, FenwayFrank said:

What’s his body language like?

It suggested disappointment at the portion size of his pre match scampi

[cambridgeshire canary 7,797]

9 hours ago, daly said:

Life in the UK was definitely much simpler back then. For a start we didn’t have political correctness and the professionally offended, those just dying to be offended by everybody and everything. Mass immigration was in its early years and we could still discuss race without being accused of racism and we could make jokes about different people and peoples and no-one took offence

Women and children could walk the streets without being raped and murdered

Housing was affordable if you were willing to work

Didn't have girls getting pregnant to get a council house

Didn't have people glueing themselves to buildings to make a point

If you wanted to see a Doctor through illness you just turned up at surgery and was treated

Cant see a Dentist now for months

Operations running at least 12 months behind schedule

Try to report a crime and the Police will give you an incident number unless it’s really serious 

Now at least we’ve got the computer and the mobile phone to stare at when we’re out with our kids or loved ones, Why make conversation 

Try to get through to a company or business regarding a complaint or query and after holding on for at least 30 minutes you finish up in China or Bangladesh speaking to someone who can’t understand you and you have trouble understanding them

The list is endless.

50 /60 years ago life was less stressful people were happier even if we didn’t have today’s amenities but agree on the National Health Service which incidentally came into force in 1948

PS us old fogeys have seen the best years and for all the modern technology I wouldn’t want to be a teenager now with what this future world holds

Its frightening 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Women and children could walk the streets without being raped and murdered"

 

Hmm, come on even you know this one is false. In fact if anything there were way more unsolved rapes and murders 60 years ago due to lack of dna and cctv. If anything it's never been safer these days as I'm pretty sure the statistics would tell you.