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You can wheel out all the stats you want about a game by why is it that such basic indicators such as a player's body language are ignored in football? Obviously not the only indicator but come on, when it's terrible body language matched with poor perfomances I would say that the management team aren't seeing the whole picture. So fed up with seeing players who don't want to play for Norwich, especially in the championship. 

On a separate but relevant comment against this, I have actually been impressed with Cantwell's attitude since returning. Whatever the motive, it's good to see and would like the flashes of ability to become more reliable.

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I know it's something Kieran Scott spoke about the recruitment process so it's not ignored in football.

In regards to moment to moment management in games I'm sure it's something good managers take into consideration too.

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5 minutes ago, RobertRosariosBeefTomatoes said:

Whatever the motive, it's good to see and would like the flashes of ability to become more reliable.

A cynical part of me thinks it’s because he knows he’s in the Last Chance Saloon.

If he plays well we go up he can probably get a move elsewhere.

If he plays well and we don’t go up, again he can orchestrate a move elsewhere.

The only road bump he could face is if he loses his way again. He’ll be out of contract and no one other than Champs level will touch him. 

He’s not daft, this will be his last season for us as I doubt he’ll sign a contract extension. 

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2 hours ago, A Load of Squit said:

Probably because most people confuse Pukki's body language with him just acting typically Finnish.

 

I'm not sure. I don't think Pukki is happy. He's done two stellar seasons in the Championship so nothing to prove. He's got 10+ goals in successive PL campaigns in shoite sides. I mean he got 11 of 23 last time round. Accepted that the club had the contractual right to trigger the 1 year extension but in all probability that's priced Pukki out of a final move to start a new challenge and make a couple of quid along the way in the twilight of his career. I could be barking up the wrong tree. His effort on the pitch is never brought into question, but he doesn't look a happy bunny to me

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I just know that if I walked around my job with such poor body language WHILST underperforming then I'd be spoken to. Fair enough if someone is performing, for example Buendia at times could be petulant, but it's the players who are not only underperforming but acting like they couldn't care less.

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Just now, hogesar said:

Can't say I've seen players not caring this season.

You're seeing a buoyant team full of players who want to be at Norwich? No questions of any character? If genuinely so then I guess it is all about how we read certain behaviours. 

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1 minute ago, RobertRosariosBeefTomatoes said:

You're seeing a buoyant team full of players who want to be at Norwich? No questions of any character? If genuinely so then I guess it is all about how we read certain behaviours. 

I guarantee had we took our chances in the last two league games and won them both, you wouldn't have started this thread.

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3 hours ago, A Load of Squit said:

Probably because most people confuse Pukki's body language with him just acting typically Finnish.

 

It’s the Finnish in him he’s been lacking! Hopefully he’ll get couple tomorrow if fit!

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What I see is a bit of PL weariness. 

The players that were part of our squad last season are still carrying that with them, probably even worse in that it's hardly like we're being outclassed but still not getting the result. We don't believe, yet.

I think this is why Gibbs, Nunez, even Onel etc feel like a breath of fresh air when they're on the pitch. We absolutely, desperately need a couple of wins to get the monkey off the back.

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34 minutes ago, The Real Buh said:

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This is poor body language

In fairness, we have no idea if that’s tea in that mug. People keep on about it being tea. The way we’ve been set up lately I’d warrant it’s something stronger than that… 😊

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17 minutes ago, hogesar said:

I guarantee had we took our chances in the last two league games and won them both, you wouldn't have started this thread.

You're missing the point. Body language is a result of circumstance generally and circumstance equally is reliant on commitment. Ifs and buts aren't really relevant. Probably wouldn't have started this thread either if we'd stayed up and not been godawful for months.

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49 minutes ago, Don’t be Krul said:

I'm not sure. I don't think Pukki is happy. He's done two stellar seasons in the Championship so nothing to prove. He's got 10+ goals in successive PL campaigns in shoite sides. I mean he got 11 of 23 last time round. Accepted that the club had the contractual right to trigger the 1 year extension but in all probability that's priced Pukki out of a final move to start a new challenge and make a couple of quid along the way in the twilight of his career. I could be barking up the wrong tree. His effort on the pitch is never brought into question, but he doesn't look a happy bunny to me

You're making the same mistake, he's just being Finnish.

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1 hour ago, RobertRosariosBeefTomatoes said:

Waddle generally performed though. Berbatov was another but their performance levels made it a non-issue in general.

So if a player has poor body language and plays well it doesn’t matter but if we’re losing then it means they don’t care? Ok

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Everything seems terrible when the team are on such a terrible losing streak with zero confidence. You can bet your house that when the tide does turn the body language won't be a problem.

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2 hours ago, Don’t be Krul said:

I'm not sure. I don't think Pukki is happy. He's done two stellar seasons in the Championship so nothing to prove. He's got 10+ goals in successive PL campaigns in shoite sides. I mean he got 11 of 23 last time round. Accepted that the club had the contractual right to trigger the 1 year extension but in all probability that's priced Pukki out of a final move to start a new challenge and make a couple of quid along the way in the twilight of his career. I could be barking up the wrong tree. His effort on the pitch is never brought into question, but he doesn't look a happy bunny to me

Yeah I tend to agree. Seems a bit preoccupied, half a yard of the pace, not quite as sharp as he needs to be. Hopefully he'll get over it.

As far as I'm aware he's been Finnish ever since he's been here and I've not noticed this grumpiness before.

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29 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said:

Yeah I tend to agree. Seems a bit preoccupied, half a yard of the pace, not quite as sharp as he needs to be. Hopefully he'll get over it.

As far as I'm aware he's been Finnish ever since he's been here and I've not noticed this grumpiness before.

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Omibamidele was distraught at the final whistle on Saturday, kneeling with his head in the ground...after the ball had rebounded off him with Max's failed clearance. Hanley just pulled him up to his feet and put his arm round his shoulder. Team spirit or just an old head supporting a younger lad? Nunez was pumped all game. McLean burst 40 yards to back track for Max and got applause by all his team mates. 

Other examples too in the match. I didn't see much poor body language. Teemu was walking painfully towards the end of the match too. The team wanted to win, they were not cruising at any point.

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Some players give their all no matter who they play for and no matter what the level. I would class Pukki as that type of player. Pukki played whilst injured for nearly all of the last match.

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Do we have some degree qualified psychologists specialising in body language frequenting this forum?

In all seriousness, I'm not surprised they are not happy when they lose against teams they are outperforming. Pukki not scoring will make him look unhappy.

The performances don't really support that. There's no lethargy, no anger and frustration directed at eachother, least not more than usual.

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3 hours ago, hogesar said:

I guarantee had we took our chances in the last two league games and won them both, you wouldn't have started this thread.

I guarantee if I had a vagina I'd be my parents daughter. .  

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22 hours ago, RobertRosariosBeefTomatoes said:

You can wheel out all the stats you want about a game by why is it that such basic indicators such as a player's body language are ignored in football? Obviously not the only indicator but come on, when it's terrible body language matched with poor perfomances I would say that the management team aren't seeing the whole picture. So fed up with seeing players who don't want to play for Norwich, especially in the championship. 

On a separate but relevant comment against this, I have actually been impressed with Cantwell's attitude since returning. Whatever the motive, it's good to see and would like the flashes of ability to become more reliable.

Football today is dominated by hard data analysis. Coaches are seen running to their laptops to see how many blades of grass a player covered in one half of football. Technology has not yet evolved to record soft data such as vision, awareness and attitude. Thinking back to Martin Peters, how do you record a player's ability to ghost in at the back post? 

The fundamental flaw in Norwich City's recruitment is that they build profiles on hard data and then go looking for players to match that data profile. Lots of things get missed. You only need to look at the boy Rashica for instance.

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20 hours ago, RobertRosariosBeefTomatoes said:

You're seeing a buoyant team full of players who want to be at Norwich? No questions of any character? If genuinely so then I guess it is all about how we read certain behaviours. 

Genuine question

If you are correct and we sold said players ( even though I don’t agree that players do not want to be at the club ), would you start a new thread saying the club have no ambition selling some of their best players ?.

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On 15/08/2022 at 19:33, chicken said:

Do we have some degree qualified psychologists specialising in body language frequenting this forum?

In all seriousness, I'm not surprised they are not happy when they lose against teams they are outperforming. Pukki not scoring will make him look unhappy.

The performances don't really support that. There's no lethargy, no anger and frustration directed at eachother, least not more than usual.

Of course, I'd be very worried if you spend your life in public unable to read basic body language! As a human, generally you should be able to understand basic human traits. If you think that a 'degree' is needed for this then I wish you all the best!

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