10 games is what he should get

[By Hook or Ian crook 943]

10 hours ago, norfolkngood said:

I think you are right only one new signing started today

the others have been here long enough to know what is needed and played together long enough 

if smith has not got the message of how he wants to play and tactics  over to the players by now I will be worried 

 

According to smith the set up we played last season wasn’t his desired style but one he felt the team was more capable of playing than how he wished to play. Almost entirely down to the midfield not having the box to box physicality that he wished. 

[Nexus_Canary 1,206]

9 hours ago, TeemuVanBasten said:

I do think that Smith came here on the rebound after losing his dream job,

I feel this does play a huge factor in things, we are just a job for Smith his heart is not in it.

Smith (like Lambert) had his moment and is washed up.

Our Dean Smith is the Ipswich Paul Lambert.

Lost confused and doesn't really give a sh*t.

[yellowrider120 914]

10 hours ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

My view of sacking managers is I don't have the knowledge, insight, or experience to judge whether they're doing their job to a good enough standard. 

Obviously, every Championship season I'd like to see us promoted; every Premier League season I'd like to see us survive. I recognise also that we're kind of the Haas F1 of football where we're trying to compete on a relative shoestring, slowly building organically through semi-regular Premier League windfalls and consistent upcycling of players. That inevitably means that, no matter how good the backroom staff, board decisions, coaching and management are, it is always going to be very difficult to survive in the Premier League without catching a lot of breaks: not too many injuries, not too much covid, half way decent refereeing. 

The board have a really difficult balancing act trying to get us players to compete and also bring in players that we can add value to, to build our capital to hopefully get players who can compete, or maybe finally get the right investor who is attracted by putting money into a club where everything is clearly run well and it just needs money to kick on. They know the extent to which their limits are limiting the head coach, and they also know in incredible detail what he's doing and how the performances are, well beyond just the results. 

By the simplistic metrics people are going on on here, Farke should have gone at the end of 2017/2018. There were definitely people loudly arguing for it. The board didn't do it though, and it paid dividends. 

At the end of the day, if the board sacks then fair enough. I didn't agree with Farke's sacking, but there was plenty of toxicity building that made it completely forgivable in my eyes after they've been pilloried so many times for persevering in the past. 

And specifically with Farke, we have lost an absolute gem for the sake of half-wits having a tantrum because we struggle in the Premier League. 

Fans: know your limits. Leave executive decisions to people competent to make them. That's not us. 

PS, in many respects I think Webber did Farke a favour sacking him, because I think he'd outgrown what we could give him in terms of resources to compete at the level whieh he personally deserves. The fact that he was still with us and happy to persevere shows what an awesome guy he is. Personally, I think he's going to have die Fohlen in the champions league in the next couple of years. 

So Farke was sacked because some posters on social media were vilifying him then!!?? Perhaps the real reason was his atrocious record in the PL and abject surrenders against 'massive' clubs. At no stage did the fans publicly turn on Farke in the last PL campaign. In the build up to the match at Brentford there was not one, single, solitary song requesting he be removed from his post.   

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13 hours ago, TeemuVanBasten said:

I do worry that Villa went downhill when they lost John Terry and appointed Shakespeare, and whether John Terry was who the players really respected and played for.

In fact, should we be worried that John Terry walked out on Dean Smith in the first place, wonder why he'd had enough?

All seems very similar to Lamberts decline after Karsa and Culverhouse binned him off. 

[Ken Hairy 4,272]

13 hours ago, Canary dwarf said:

Rashica was being scouted by munchengladbach today , I wonder if there be making offers in the next two weeks lol

Fingers crossed 🤞

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15 minutes ago, Ken Hairy said:

All seems very similar to Lamberts decline after Karsa and Culverhouse binned him off. 

Although Terry hasn't found any alternative employment.

The discussion is pretty much pointless because the club is going to give Smith time regardless of Buh going on a drunken rage.

[sgncfc 1,330]

I doubt the Board would act before Christmas - unless of course by then our new "investors" are involved and are slightly less patient.

As for yesterday, I thought the performance was generally good. Some obvious rustiness. Gibson needs to just do the stuff he's good at and stop trying to be a footballer. Aarons was very good, but I still wish he would take the ball forward on his first touch every time rather than just occasionally. Rashica looked good until his final ball (assist apart) - he must have hit the first man 15 times - and just needs to be more composed.

My MOM was Cantwell. Thought he ran the game and that was as good as I've seen him for a while - looked like a top player again. 

Some good touches by Nunez. Sara looked off the pace, understandably. Hernandez just makes me smile - complete headless chicken, but great as a disruptor. Sorensen disappointing again. Maclean played better the further back he went. Andrew O oozed class. Giannoulis all over the place as usual; McCallum looks a far better footballer.

Don't understand why Hugill didn't come on instead of Sargent though - chasing a game against Wigan. If not then, when?

The referee was appalling. Wigan were time wasting from the very first minute and kicking whenever they could.

Great game to watch - proper football. Better than any game last season. Can I be the first to say that I don't want to get promoted?

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1 hour ago, sgncfc said:

I doubt the Board would act before Christmas - unless of course by then our new "investors" are involved and are slightly less patient.

As for yesterday, I thought the performance was generally good. Some obvious rustiness. Gibson needs to just do the stuff he's good at and stop trying to be a footballer. Aarons was very good, but I still wish he would take the ball forward on his first touch every time rather than just occasionally. Rashica looked good until his final ball (assist apart) - he must have hit the first man 15 times - and just needs to be more composed.

My MOM was Cantwell. Thought he ran the game and that was as good as I've seen him for a while - looked like a top player again. 

Some good touches by Nunez. Sara looked off the pace, understandably. Hernandez just makes me smile - complete headless chicken, but great as a disruptor. Sorensen disappointing again. Maclean played better the further back he went. Andrew O oozed class. Giannoulis all over the place as usual; McCallum looks a far better footballer.

Don't understand why Hugill didn't come on instead of Sargent though - chasing a game against Wigan. If not then, when?

The referee was appalling. Wigan were time wasting from the very first minute and kicking whenever they could.

Great game to watch - proper football. Better than any game last season. Can I be the first to say that I don't want to get promoted?

Sargeant I feel was preferred to chase everything when Wigan would be looking to waste time at all times. I think he did this in the limited time he had and I don’t think Hugill would. It shouldn’t be a surprise that I think Cantwell was not even close to MOTM. I agree that he looked ‘interested’ yesterday, and put himself about much more than recently, but I didn’t see any real impact being made by him as a playmaker, which allegedly is his asset/purpose. He was a slightly more controlled Sargeant/Onel with a better first touch and in the middle of the park, but his deliveries from dead ball were not standout either. Happy to see him work but he needs to create chances and he made fewer than Rashica, Pukki and others. That said, he was one of the more active yesterday and that deserves acknowledging. 
Max was stand out MOM for me, which I think for once I agreed with the sponsors who picked him. I also think Nunez was merit worthy in spells. Very keen to be on the ball and a good debut imo, more to come I hope. 

[sgncfc 1,330]

Just because Cantwell has had some personal issues and uses social media everyone seems to judge him differently. Put a number 26 on his back and call him Nunez and yesterday he gets MOM from everyone. He is, by a distance, the top rated Norwich player on key passes played in the two games so far - 9th in the divison. The next best is Rashica at 26th. The fact that Wigan fouled or tried to foul him every time he was on the ball is very telling. I'd love him to sign a new contract and play like that every week. The fact that he is on set pieces at all after last season is also very telling - especially given that we now have a set piece coach who probably knows his job a lot better than us.

Aarons was good but too often the pace slows when the ball reaches him and we lose impetus. Nunez (the real one) was good for 30 minutes.

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2 hours ago, sgncfc said:

Just because Cantwell has had some personal issues and uses social media everyone seems to judge him differently. Put a number 26 on his back and call him Nunez and yesterday he gets MOM from everyone. He is, by a distance, the top rated Norwich player on key passes played in the two games so far - 9th in the divison. The next best is Rashica at 26th. The fact that Wigan fouled or tried to foul him every time he was on the ball is very telling. I'd love him to sign a new contract and play like that every week. The fact that he is on set pieces at all after last season is also very telling - especially given that we now have a set piece coach who probably knows his job a lot better than us.

Aarons was good but too often the pace slows when the ball reaches him and we lose impetus. Nunez (the real one) was good for 30 minutes.

But again, when it’s just Cantwell in there to make it happen, we don’t win games. That’s no coincidence. 

Edited August 7, 2022 by Creedence Clearwater Couto

[YellowCanary 11]

Mark Robbins is the choice for me but why would he leave Coventry to come here ?

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Seems everyones choice to replace Smith would be Robins or Martin who both play slow, patient, possesion based football. The club often gets accused of learning nothing but it seems like the fans haven't either. Watch some PL football! No team plays like that and if you watch how other teams play you'll see why. No team outside of the top teams really have an identity either, tactics are adjusted game by game but there are some core principals that you have to adhere to to have any chance in that league.

Work hard off the ball, chase everything, pressure opponents and press relentlessly, get the ball forward as quickly as possible and only play around at the back occasionally if you have no other choice, lots of long passes to switch the ball from side to side, creating chances by running at teams and dribbling around defenders or by playing quick, one touch football with purpose not just for the sake of keeping posssesion, you have to exploit set pieces and have a lot of big lads in the team and be strong enough to hold onto the ball when challenged etc. It's the opposite of the type of football we got under Farke or would get with someone like Robins or Martin.

It didn't work with Farke and we're not going to get a manager as good as him at what he does so what's the point in going down that route again? I desperately want it to work with Smith because he seems to at least tactically understand what is required to compete at that level, he just had the wrong set of players last year which was built to play Farke's style of football. The results haven't been good so far but it's only been two games and we're showing glimpses of adapting to a diferent style of football, we're getting the ball forward quicker, we're pressing more and we've brough in a set piece coach to help with that side. We still lack strong, pacy forwards who can run with the ball and beat a man, we could do with more out and out defenders and we're still too lightweight in midfield but it's a start. 

I think if we do sack Smith the club will try to get another possession football manager in again to appease the fans and if that happens we might as well just give up on ever believing we can stay up when we get promoted because you can't play that way in the PL>