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GK: Krul

RB: Aarons 

CB: Omobamidele

CB: Gibson (if fit to start)/Sorensen

LB: Giannoulis

DM: Sorensen/Gibbs

DM: McLean 

RW: Sinani

AM: Cantwell

LW: Rashica

ST: Pukki

I know I’ll get loads of stick for this but I’m not giving up on the team after one game - if Sara/Nunez/Hayden fail on their debuts for us would you really say they’re no good? In our first promotion season under Farke we didn’t really get going until mid/late September

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Krul

Aarons, Omobamidele, Tomkinson, Giannoulis

Sorensen, Sara

Sinani, Dowell, Cantwell

Pukki

(Disclaimer: I have no idea if Sara or Dowell are match fit)

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Everyone needs to stop sh**ting their pants 

KRUL

AARONS OMO GIBSON GIANOULIS 

         NUNEZ MCLEAN 

RASHICA SARA CANTWELL 

            PUKKI 

Subs: Gunn, Tompkinson, Sorensen, Gibbs, Dowell, hugill, Sargent 

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5 hours ago, Yobocop said:

Everyone needs to stop sh**ting their pants 

KRUL

AARONS OMO GIBSON GIANOULIS 

         NUNEZ MCLEAN 

RASHICA SARA CANTWELL 

            PUKKI 

Subs: Gunn, Tompkinson, Sorensen, Gibbs, Dowell, hugill, Sargent 

Have i missed something, have we signed Nunez? 

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36 minutes ago, Haus said:

Have i missed something, have we signed Nunez? 

Hopefully his medical will be today and the signing announced shortly after. I'd be surprised he goes straight into the team but should make the bench.

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12 hours ago, TheGunnShow said:

Lemme guess the bench:

Michael Theoklitos (GK), Marcel Franke, Simon Whaley, Ben Marshall, David Strihavka, Thomas Helveg, Shaun Carey. 😉

I'm getting PTSD looking at this. 

David stihavka was a goal machine if I remember rightly 🤔

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16 hours ago, rock bus said:

That's a bit of a depressing line up.

Not having a go at the players selected (except may be McLean!)

But given we have spent another year in the premier league, have spent £50m+ on players, have the parachute payments - how have we ended up looking at fielding a team with players like Sorenson, Gunn, Giannoulis, Hernandez, Cantwell and Sinanai -   ALL players who were not really considered good enough either last year or even in our previous championship campaign to be in the starting 11??

A sad indictment of how far we have regressed and the poor quality signings made

Yes it underlines just how much money was wasted and how poor recruitment has been. Unbelievable that you can spend a record amount- tens of millions- and end up seriously considering playing yesterday’s fringe men and those sent out on loan in your starting XI

That said still plenty of talent in the team- and the plus side is Sara coming back from injury and Nunes- ahould lift the team. I do feel a couple of wins would put the wind back in the sails - heads are down at present 

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14 hours ago, raunds canary said:

Simon Tracey

Colin woodthorpe

Steve Walsh

Gary Doherty

Fernando derveld

Julian brellier

Mark Fotheringham

Peter grant

Cedric anselin

Peter Thorne

Goran maric 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good to see Gary "Mugged a Career" Doherty has nailed down a starting spot. 👍

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1 hour ago, paddycanary said:

Good to see Gary "Mugged a Career" Doherty has nailed down a starting spot. 👍

Hey, he could play up front or in defence. He was pretty much the new Chris Sutton!

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9 minutes ago, Pyro Pete said:

Hey, he could play up front or in defence. He was pretty much the new Chris Sutton!

The flogging of Sutton, the subsequent dismantling of (arguably) our most competitive squad ever and the 95 relegation resulted in players of the ilk of the Doc gracing the hallowed turf as we languished in the doldrums for a decade or more. 

Patience is understandably in short supply after last season's embarrassing capitulation, but slow starts are nothing new for this club & we're only one game in. Let's see the lie of the land after 6 games before we start spitting the dummy out.

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Here's a wacky thought and OK shoot me down if you like. Sargent at #10. 

Sargent's best qualities are his defensive ones (his tackling stats are insane for a forward) and his threat in the air is very strong however it is more or less useless on the wing owing to the fact that the goal is in the middle of the pitch. 

Steipermann played at #10 and his ability to win turnover ball high up the pitch worked and was a menace to opponents.

Cantwell is a better attacker than he is a central midfielder and Rashica has some of his best stats on the right.  

To date Pukki has not had one game in a 433 where he's excelled. The formation is an excellent way to attack opponents and is hard to resist but sometimes it isn't a bad idea to stick to what you know and to what you can pull off. 

I'd rather have Sargent harrying the CBs than trying to pin down a corner I think it could give Pukki more space to operate in. Plus Sargent's central position gives us a threat in the air. 

If the aim is creating space for and service to Pukki then 4231 is a proven method. Smith did use this approach a little bit last season where he played Idah in the #10 and it worked. Idah's strength and energy created problems. Sargent is a better tackler and he's a big unit too. Play him in the middle. See what happens. 

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16 minutes ago, Bonzo said:

Here's a wacky thought and OK shoot me down if you like. Sargent at #10. 

Sargent's best qualities are his defensive ones (his tackling stats are insane for a forward) and his threat in the air is very strong however it is more or less useless on the wing owing to the fact that the goal is in the middle of the pitch. 

Steipermann played at #10 and his ability to win turnover ball high up the pitch worked and was a menace to opponents.

Cantwell is a better attacker than he is a central midfielder and Rashica has some of his best stats on the right.  

To date Pukki has not had one game in a 433 where he's excelled. The formation is an excellent way to attack opponents and is hard to resist but sometimes it isn't a bad idea to stick to what you know and to what you can pull off. 

I'd rather have Sargent harrying the CBs than trying to pin down a corner I think it could give Pukki more space to operate in. Plus Sargent's central position gives us a threat in the air. 

If the aim is creating space for and service to Pukki then 4231 is a proven method. Smith did use this approach a little bit last season where he played Idah in the #10 and it worked. Idah's strength and energy created problems. Sargent is a better tackler and he's a big unit too. Play him in the middle. See what happens. 

Team for Wigan.png

Like the thinking actually and can see where you're coming from basically trying to turn Sargent into a new Stiepermann and also trying to give us a longer "out-ball" if we're harassed at the back. And I agree with the notion that Sargent could help us press up the middle of the pitch as he's got an even higher workrate and greater physicality than a peak Stiepi.

The obvious problem is that Sargent's not got remotely the same vision as Stiepi had. Stiepi could definitely see the passes on, but they were often risky and hard to pull off. If we're playing him there we need one of the wide midfielders to come right in to give him an easier ball to play. Dowell off the right, perhaps.

Problem with my idea of putting Dowell there is you break up the partnership with Sargent and Rashica, and I tend to see those two as a pair to keep together if we can, ultimately they did play together at Bremen for a bit before joining us.

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1 hour ago, TheGunnShow said:

Problem with my idea of putting Dowell there is you break up the partnership with Sargent and Rashica, and I tend to see those two as a pair to keep together if we can, ultimately they did play together at Bremen for a bit before joining us.

The partnership with Sargent and Rashica has seen two consecutive relegations - Werder Bremen 20/21 then with us 21/22.  Now I'm not vindictive or even suggesting that they can't be good players, because I think they can, but it doesn't look good. Either they shape up and contribute more, or they should be sidelined for others and only come on play from the bench until they get their full confidence back.

I don't know what the answers are - hopefully Sara, Hayden, Nunez - but the present team looks the same as last season - lacking in confidence with little shape and direction.

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2 hours ago, paddycanary said:

The flogging of Sutton, the subsequent dismantling of (arguably) our most competitive squad ever and the 95 relegation resulted in players of the ilk of the Doc gracing the hallowed turf as we languished in the doldrums for a decade or more. 

Patience is understandably in short supply after last season's embarrassing capitulation, but slow starts are nothing new for this club & we're only one game in. Let's see the lie of the land after 6 games before we start spitting the dummy out.

We could have swapped Sutton for Ian Wright at one point apparently 😁

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On 01/08/2022 at 16:45, rock bus said:

That's a bit of a depressing line up.

Not having a go at the players selected (except may be McLean!)

But given we have spent another year in the premier league, have spent £50m+ on players, have the parachute payments - how have we ended up looking at fielding a team with players like Sorenson, Gunn, Giannoulis, Hernandez, Cantwell and Sinanai -   ALL players who were not really considered good enough either last year or even in our previous championship campaign to be in the starting 11??

A sad indictment of how far we have regressed and the poor quality signings made

Not enough likes for this. 100%, bang on. 

Leitner, Vrancic and Trybull walk into this team currently. And they we're rightly moved on as part of an 'upgrading' process, now here we are..... Mclean, Cantwell... not even regulars in 18/19. Hernandez, not as good a player as 18/19! 

I also think we're on the cusp of a goal keeping crisis too. Krul's abilities are diminishing, and he's becoming more error prone. Gunn is a decent back up, but doesn't have the presence or confidence and is also prone to error. I feel this is the next problem we're sleep walking into. 

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Sargent and Rashica should be dropped until they earn a place in the side 

they have not performed so why are they picked 

lets reward good performances like Gibbs who came on a one of the better players etc 

We are playing Wigan nothing to be scared of lets drop the under performers and get some fresh blood into the team who will give their all 

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6 hours ago, paddycanary said:

The flogging of Sutton, the subsequent dismantling of (arguably) our most competitive squad ever and the 95 relegation resulted in players of the ilk of the Doc gracing the hallowed turf as we languished in the doldrums for a decade or more. 

Patience is understandably in short supply after last season's embarrassing capitulation, but slow starts are nothing new for this club & we're only one game in. Let's see the lie of the land after 6 games before we start spitting the dummy out.

Selling Chris Sutton like that was a real low point for me as a Norwich fan.  Last season felt similarly low.  Need to get some results soon and change the vibe around it all.

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On 01/08/2022 at 20:59, Petriix said:

Picking a player that we don't even own, who hasn't ever trained with the rest of the squad is pretty out there. So is sticking with Rashica when he can't link up play or create chances for Pukki. 

That’s the first bit sorted, just 3 days training now and good to go 🤣

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16 hours ago, Haus said:

Have i missed something, have we signed Nunez? 

Yeah you have, we signed him 

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6 hours ago, ron obvious said:

Nobody want Argos? Even on the bench??😐

No he’s awful 

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Interesting that people care enough to actually contribute to this thread . Dean Smith has proven he cannot motivate any of the squad, so it really doesn’t matter which random 11 he picks for the Wigan game, the same old losing mentality and the determination to avoid scoring will continue. If Rashica, Sargent and McClean are in the starting 11 it will guarantee yet another 90 minutes of tedium.

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It’s all rather depressing….

Are we still bookies’ favourites for promotion?

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21 hours ago, norfolkngood said:

Sargent and Rashica should be dropped until they earn a place in the side 

they have not performed so why are they picked 

lets reward good performances like Gibbs who came on a one of the better players etc 

We are playing Wigan nothing to be scared of lets drop the under performers and get some fresh blood into the team who will give their all 

From my memory, Gibbs was responsible for the only positive football we played on Saturday.  He passed the ball forwards quickly and accurately. 

PS. Todd had a good shot 🙄

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Same team. Perhaps young Gibbs to start in place of 'utility man' Sorensen. Gibbs could soon mature into a commanding influence. Lungi never seems to manage this, never outstanding, never bad. Perhaps he'll be a central defender.

It might well be the last chance for a while for Rashica and the Sarge. The former might need to be unloaded at a loss. Sargent has his uses.

One, or two of the new boys introduced later, if expedient.

God forbid should we need Hugill to come on as an alternative and in a  battering ram role twenty minutes from time. His introduction aimed cause their defence sufficient problems in order to to give us a point or three. It's Wigan after all.

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2 hours ago, dylanisabaddog said:

From my memory, Gibbs was responsible for the only positive football we played on Saturday.  He passed the ball forwards quickly and accurately. 

PS. Todd had a good shot 🙄

well Gibbs should be in then i reward good performances does not matter by who 

 

 

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The most important thing is going to be not the team that starts but the team that finishes on Saturday. Which will be

Krul Aaron's Andrew o tomkinson(hanley) mccallum McLean aka (Hayden) nunez Sara  Cantwell Sinani pukki.

Or am i wrong?!!!

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If Sara is fit then I would start both this weekend.  Sara may also depending upon how well he has embraced the press. 

Keane is their prime creator and dribbler, so we need to control midfield and restrict his space,  but this is one we should be using to boost fragile confidences, so I would start Lungi to provide a sheild esp as he is more defensively disciplined than Kenny and we lost a little shape when Lungi went off on sat.

Tompkinson to start for me,  a good test to see whether he is a safe no 4 cb - little point rushing Gibson back if it aggravates his injury,  and this will be a better test than the cup game.

 

Krul

Aarons  Tompkinson  Omo Giannoulis

Sorensen Sara

Rashica Cantwell Sinani

Pukki

 

Sara to start ahead of kenny as I think sorensen  will allow Sara to push forward and hopefully show more creativity than Kenny does in that role.    And he needs to be getting minutes sooner rather than late but if still not fit then kenny starts.

 

Who knows what the best 3 to support Pukki is; With an expectation that wigan will defend movement and sharp passing will be key.    Again fitness may dictate this choice,  Dowell would be an option but again little point aggravating an injury for 90 mins.  Todd is a must on sats showing.   Nunez to have a cameo after 70 mins would give us a boost and account for language, system/shape understanding and the inevitable jet lag. 

 

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