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8 hours ago, Terminally Yellow said:

Fairly low. Strange question.

You just know this will be something that will drag off and on all season. 

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Yawn. Stop press.  Norwich gamble on crocked player backfires. Maybe a little premature to be so negative but, Christ, was it a lot to ask for to have the potential solution to our DCM problem fit and ready for the new season?!

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4 minutes ago, Richard Richard said:

Yawn. Stop press.  Norwich gamble on crocked player backfires. Maybe a little premature to be so negative but, Christ, was it a lot to ask for to have the potential solution to our DCM problem fit and ready for the new season?!

Exactly this. I would have hoped we’d be dipping into the market for back up to Hayden anyway as I don’t think we have suitable cover as good as we did when we had Tettey for Skipp (though in appreciate Skipp was never injured) and it’s a long season. 

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8 hours ago, Feedthewolf said:

Our f......g medical staff. I'm not a doctor, but I trust they are adequately qualified to perform their duties.

Assuming our medical staff ARE suitably qualified they would surely have picked up on the likely need for a knee op? Seems like a questionable decision to go on and agree to loan a player with this information to hand. Or is it just me?!

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3 minutes ago, Richard Richard said:

Assuming our medical staff ARE suitably qualified they would surely have picked up on the likely need for a knee op? Seems like a questionable decision to go on and agree to loan a player with this information to hand. Or is it just me?!

I think the problem is he had been training at Newcastle and presumably ok but a week training with us saw some swelling or whatever around the knee. 

Either way far from ideal but I do think we can survive the start of the season without him. I guess the concern is how well and quick he recovers, and the chances of re-aggravating it but none of us know that.

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13 minutes ago, Richard Richard said:

Assuming our medical staff ARE suitably qualified they would surely have picked up on the likely need for a knee op? Seems like a questionable decision to go on and agree to loan a player with this information to hand. Or is it just me?!

I can see two scenarios:

1) The knee appeared to be recovering perfectly from the previous injury when the medical was performed, and the subsequent swelling and operation could not have been predicted beforehand (even if they knew there was a chance it could happen)

2) The medical team raised concern that an operation may be required, but the recruitment team were so keen to ensure his signing that they agreed to turn a blind eye to it and hope for the best.

I really can't imagine that with the level of technology and expertise at Colney, our medical staff simply 'missed' an obvious need for an operation.

As I've said elsewhere, though, it's bloody risky to put all your transfer chips on two players who are both recovering from medium-term injuries. But none of that is on the medical staff!

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Just now, Maltesecanary said:

Will be ok till they come back Sorensen McLean Rachica PLM Sargent Cantwell Dowell Sinani Tzolis Idah Gibbs Relax Guyss

I hope you're right! I guess the absence of a specialist top-class CDM will probably be less noticeable in the Championship... fingers crossed.

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We don't know enough about the problem to be too pessimistic, but it's not looking good. Certainly, the opening  games of the season will seem to be a miss for a player who had a swell up, presumably of fluid, yet had only been involved in lighter training for a few days. 

The reported interest in Aaron Mooy at aged 31+ is telling and suggests as much concern as it does precaution by the club. If this signing comes off, then perhaps we will eventually be able to draw comparisons with the dreaded Trevor Hockey's very brief but effective and long remembered spell at Carrow Road?

I hope so.

Of our three main injury concerns, Omo's back, Idah is being eased in more gently, but Hayden will be well behind even when up and running. The good, the not so bad and the ugly. 

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17 minutes ago, hogesar said:

I think the problem is he had been training at Newcastle and presumably ok but a week training with us saw some swelling or whatever around the knee. 

Either way far from ideal but I do think we can survive the start of the season without him. I guess the concern is how well and quick he recovers, and the chances of re-aggravating it but none of us know that.

It seems some disagree and know precisely how it will go, and it will be badly.  Of course, the reality is that he could get fully fit quite quickly (it was a minor procedure and likely to be a quick recovery for a fit person), and we barely hear of it again.

As for those moaning about why we signed him - he’s on loan so financially a limited risk.and it was the slight question make that allowed us to sign a far better player than we’d otherwise get.

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Deano did mention in his reaction piece last night that Hayden has already had the operation, so i guess that's mid-August we'll get a proper view, still a couple of weeks of transfer window to **** up with another injured CDM!

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It’s ok, he’s our saviour that’s what many said on here when I questioned signing a crock, cos that’s what he is, originally.

 

Too many people on here think everything is great with our club when in truth, and this proves the point, it’s so badly run from the top.

We are now going to be paying for a player who will miss the first two months of the season, but it’s ok there’s another injured player on his way from Brazil!

Great signings aren’t they! 

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2 minutes ago, Branston Pickle said:

It seems some disagree and know precisely how it will go, and it will be badly.  Of course, the reality is that he could get fully fit quite quickly (it was a minor procedure and likely to be a quick recovery for a fit person), and we barely hear of it again.

As for those moaning about why we signed him - he’s on loan so financially a limited risk.and it was the slight question make that allowed us to sign a far better player than we’d otherwise get.

Yes it was a minor procedure and likely to be a quick recovery for a fit person. The problem is it's on the back of a major procedure. Knees, hips and ankles take a huge strain for a football player. Modern surgery is amazing but it is not infallible. 

We were told that we could do a couple of bits of business without selling players. With 2 post operation players coming in the door who will not start the season at best and could have longer lasting rehab issues in the worst examples we now might be in more of a hurry to get some out just so we can again cover those positions. 

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Lad I play footy with had it done in December and said it was a key hole surgery. Hopefully it’s only minor procedure he has had 

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5 minutes ago, Dr Greenthumb said:

Lad I play footy with had it done in December and said it was a key hole surgery. Hopefully it’s only minor procedure he has had 

I also had arthroscopy to remove a bit of floating cartilage on the knee a few years back. I was back playing within a couple of months (and believe me, Norwich Sunday League Division 3A is one of the toughest leagues in the world).

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He’s a long term signing despite it being a loan.

If he really is crocked we won’t make it permanent so it’s just a gamble that didn’t pay off.

But him missing a few weeks of this season isn’t going to matter long term if he’s playing in the PL with us next season.

But short sighted view to think of his signing as a failure because he’s needed a minor surgery.

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10 hours ago, Wings of a Sparrow said:

The pant-wetting has started early.

I read this in my head in an Obi Wan Kenobi voice. Am I a nerd? 🤔

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Skipp barely missed a game for us and was cited as one of the reasons why we hit promoted.

Having no specialist DM for say 10 matches and relying on a core of just 3 midfielders will be very difficult. I'd say we urgently need a replacement for Hayden.

Worst case we'll have to adjust our tactics; 4-4-2 with the 2 wingers tucking in and tracking back. A bit of hoofball like against Lings Lynn.

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1 hour ago, Feedthewolf said:

I can see two scenarios:

1) The knee appeared to be recovering perfectly from the previous injury when the medical was performed, and the subsequent swelling and operation could not have been predicted beforehand (even if they knew there was a chance it could happen)

2) The medical team raised concern that an operation may be required, but the recruitment team were so keen to ensure his signing that they agreed to turn a blind eye to it and hope for the best.

I really can't imagine that with the level of technology and expertise at Colney, our medical staff simply 'missed' an obvious need for an operation.

As I've said elsewhere, though, it's bloody risky to put all your transfer chips on two players who are both recovering from medium-term injuries. But none of that is on the medical staff!

Alternatively, they recognised that he might need short term corrective surgery, and on balance the club, as it thinks longer term and isn’t prone to knee jerk catastrophising, decided he was worth the wait?

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4 minutes ago, Nuff Said said:

Alternatively, they recognised that he might need short term corrective surgery, and on balance the club, as it thinks longer term and isn’t prone to knee jerk catastrophising, decided he was worth the wait?

Isn't that basically the same as option 2, just using slightly more positive language? 🙂

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3 minutes ago, Feedthewolf said:

Isn't that basically the same as option 2, just using slightly more positive language? 🙂

I’d argue more neutral language. Turning a blind eye implies negligence? 
 

Yours hair-splittingly.

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Funny as normal the two sides always take the side of pro club - anti club! The same posters, the ones who don’t like anything bad being said about their club the half full glass and those who have a negative view on most issues the half empty glass brigade. Both could be correct, Hayden was signed off a bad injury and is in effect in recovery for this entire season, anyone who’s had major knee or hip surgery will know that the years after are always the hardest to get fully fit, reoccurrence of niggles will come more so than any fully fit player.

He’s definitely an massive improvement on the area we needed cover, if he played 30 games this season it’ll be a good return. He might well end up having a few weeks on a number of occasions on the sidelines throughout the season, but we certainly need quality in our squad not signing a player for the sake of it, Sorensen is more than adequate in the championship in that position!

Let’s see where we are in August come the first game, I have my doubts we’ll see Hayden until September as it’s better to wait on full recovery than hurrying him back. But why worry over a player who we knew was recovering from injury?

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13 minutes ago, Nora's Ghost said:

Clubs must rub their hands with glee when they see City come knocking.

Not as much as the opportunity to buy a player from Ipswich - they seem to regularly let players go for peanuts who then get a multi million pound move a year or so later. You'd know all about that binman 🙂

 

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20 minutes ago, Nuff Said said:

I’d argue more neutral language. Turning a blind eye implies negligence? 
 

Yours hair-splittingly.

Point taken... especially since the whole purpose of my posting on the subject was to exonerate our medical team of negligence! 😉

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1 hour ago, Feedthewolf said:

I can see two scenarios:

1) The knee appeared to be recovering perfectly from the previous injury when the medical was performed, and the subsequent swelling and operation could not have been predicted beforehand (even if they knew there was a chance it could happen)

2) The medical team raised concern that an operation may be required, but the recruitment team were so keen to ensure his signing that they agreed to turn a blind eye to it and hope for the best.

I really can't imagine that with the level of technology and expertise at Colney, our medical staff simply 'missed' an obvious need for an operation.

As I've said elsewhere, though, it's bloody risky to put all your transfer chips on two players who are both recovering from medium-term injuries. But none of that is on the medical staff!

I've had a cleaning out operation on my knee and it is routine. The swelling is likely to be liquid, possibly blood, and there may have been fragments of other material the surgeon took out at the same time. All under a local. The trauma of the op probably requires rest so Hayden will miss a chunk of pre-season and it is this, rather than the op itself, that means he'll miss the start. None of this means that he hasn't got other fitness issues, just that this op in itself is no big deal.

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1 hour ago, Feedthewolf said:

I also had arthroscopy to remove a bit of floating cartilage on the knee a few years back. I was back playing within a couple of months (and believe me, Norwich Sunday League Division 3A is one of the toughest leagues in the world).

🤣 any good DM players in there free for Saturdays and Tuesdays? 

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